OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: oz555ktm on May 31, 2010, 11:02:01 pm
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Just renewing My Race Licence for 2010 Senior National $275.00 + $5 card surcharge = $280.00
I think we should try and get a Special Restricted Vintage Licence ??
Why? I think that most Vintage Riders May only ride Vintage Events Only.
Why? The Cost of a Licence goes to the Cost of Insurance.
I think that the Vintage is Low risk.
Speed is NOT a Big Risk and Vintage it is much slower than Modern Bike meeting.
Jumps, We to not clear any big jumps and we Dont try any Funny tricks .
I also think we ride much safer.
We do not want to get injured and we only ride to your ability..
Now A Restricted Vintage Licence You could only ride at a Vintage Meeting only....
But you mite have to Upgrade to run at an Australian Title.
If you rode at Modern meeting would need a Normal Club or National Licence...
Now MNSW Motorcycling N.S.W does a Restricted National License for
Moto Trials and Fast 50s and they can be up to 150cc
And they Only Pay $185.00
I think that Fast 50s would be a Higher Risk than Vintage Mx .
I open this up to you all.
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I like the way you're thinking.
I also reckon that most vintage riders also ride less events per year, which reduces the risk even further.
You'd want to make sure that it covered Vinduros and probably Vintage Dirt track too.
And I wonder how the Viper guys would go? I can't see how this would help them.
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hi
i will ride up to 8 club race days a year including dirt track nationala its still better than 1 day licence price
plus extra if i go to other clubs club days ie canberra or newcastle will try and get the grass track day later in the year
jim
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If you have a seniors card does it make a difference? And should it? Jerry
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Its not insurance it's mostly because MA is not fiscally responsible.
A CAMS license with simular risks in normally a quater of MA price.
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Umm, it is an interesting question. Some of the Viper guys actually dish out a Day Licence fee each event, with that cost, it would be cheaper if they did get a National Licence, but the upfront fee I guess plus the testing fee maybe it's just as easy to go the day licence way. Consider also the costs involved in running a motocross club, Track permits, Rider levies, Member affliation fees, Day Licences, 1 day Rec Licences, then there's the Track Licence fee, we paid out $18,000 to MV last year, nice if we got something back as in some funding in return rather than hit clubs and riders in the hip pocket all the time :-\
Mrs Maico #54
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Makes sense as an option though, doesn't it? If you want to ride normal club days etc then get a club or national licence. But if the option is there for a vintage licence, and it can be used for vintage only club events, then I think it would benefit many of us. Especially if it could be negotiated down to a reasonable price, like $100-150 for the year.
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With the amount of events that I do, I worked out that it's about the same price to buy day licenses each time. Plus there is the testing fee, and a big whack of ach up front . Also, if you miss an event due to unforeseen reasons you don't feel like you've wasted the money on the annual license.
This will sound like a weird question, but what exactly are you paying for with these licenses anyway?
Tex
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Hi Tex,
$44.00 each, Viper charge a little extra to cover admin costs to the clubs.
Shall I put you down for Viper at Wonthaggi ???
Mrs Maico #54
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This will sound like a weird question, but what exactly are you paying for with these licenses anyway?
Tex
Your paying to support the bureaucracy of MA even thou you have little or no say in how it's run or what it spends your money on.
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Oh, I know how much they are! I promise to get my entry in on time for Wonthaggi Mrs Maico!
Slakewell was on the right track, but want I want to know is literally what does this fee pay for? (I'm not having a go at MA).
Tex
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THey should have a Vintage licence. ( you can get one for your car from the REGO dept )
A full Nat licence is absurb. And the costing is well out there for sure.
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for dirt track we have 1 classic club day and a national.6 rounds of club mod/classic racing in sydney.total of $425.00 1 day licences.
the vmx bikes are not that slower than the moderns
open class 490 maico 38.954sec fastest lap in 3.5 laps
450 modern 4stroke 38.114sec fastest lap in 3.5 laps
vmx 125 39.803sec fastest lap in 3.5
mod 125 38.645sec fastest lap in 3.5
vmx 250 39.179sec fastest lap in 3.5
mod 2502stroke 37.821sec fastest lap same rider as on vmx250
mod 250 4stroke 37.888sec fastest lap these were taken from april meeting
as you can see the best vmx riders can hold there own in with the moderns last meeting 1974cr125 won modern 125 race.
we have seperate races for modern and vmx.all have the same amount of rides.
so how can you give a discount to vmx riders when they use the same amount of track time as the moderns.
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As I understand it 2009 was the last time one could get a day licence more than ONCE. From now on its a one day licence then no more rides until you get a full MA licence be it for open or club events. Unfortunately in my case i'll be missing out riding at the upcoming events at Nepean 'till finances permit the full licence fee. cheers wally.
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The more events you do the cheaper it works out, for me I like to get in around 8-10 ride events each year ( so far I have 5 up my sleeve )
More than 26,000 members
READ introduction of your MOMS and it preety well spells out were it all goes. Also read thru MA member Benefits
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oz555ktm - i am with nathan s i like the way you think.
i heard a story about fast 50`s that they thought that it was going to take off and would make a lotsa.tell me why a adult would ride a mini bike.
who about we include all of the vintage and historic disiplines.strength in numbers
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Why do you have to buy a national licence ?
If you only race club days can't you just get a club licence, save yourself about $60.
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Micks,
i heard a story about fast 50`s that they thought that it was going to take off and would make a lotsa.tell me why a adult would ride a mini bike.
Wonthaggi have agreed to let them run at the Viper event, not sure if I approve, but each to there own, suppose they have to ride somewhere :-\
Mrs Maico #54
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Let's get back to basics.
Where does MA get money from, and where do they spend it? How do the state bodies fit into that?
Income:
Event permits (remembering that some goes straight to the insurance provider).
Affiliation/capitation fees (I remain happily ignorant of how MA charges clubs to be affiliated with it).
Licence fees.
Track licences.
Grants from various Govenment Departments (eg: Sports Commission).
Expenses:
Insurance.
Operating expenses (office rent, wages, travel costs, printing the MoMS, etc).
Anything else that needs to be added?
Bit that I forgot the first time: Logically, the insurance costs should be included in the event permit fee - this means that everything is 'user pays'. Obviously, if you ride one event/year, you're a lower risk than someone who rides 30 events/year. Similarly, if its proven that there's heaps more insurance claims per rider per event from SX compared to MX, it would mean that an SX endorsed rider could pay for the extra risk at a SX, without having to pay the extra at an MX.
The licences should really only cover the cost of the administration of the licences.
I'd guess that (deliberately or otherwise), certain disciplines subsidise other disciplines and charging a representative insurance cost to a particular type of event would upset a lot of people. I also suspect that MA is not actually equipped to work out how to divide the insurance cost pie accurately and fairly.
The final point, is what does MA insurance actually cover? I know that most people who are injured at an event are underwhelmed by what they recieve, and my gut feeling is that the insurance is more about third party property damage and covering MA/MA officials.
Its not insurance it's mostly because MA is not fiscally responsible.
A CAMS license with simular risks in normally a quater of MA price.
This is not quite true - and the implication that MA is less fiscally responsible than CAMS is very untrue.
For all their sins, MA is a shining light of good governence compared to CAMS.
Oh, and while we're all MA bashing, these guys have made HUGE inroads into CAMS' market share: http://australianautosportalliance.com/aasa/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
They've done this by addressing the needs of the punters, and minimising the red tape (remembering that CAMS is far worse than MA). And despite the fear-mongering, they offer insurance that is as good as what CAMS offers (according to people who know about these things, which isn't me).
Anyhow, the point is that I've heard that they are/will soon be sanctioning motorcycle events - so if you're really annoyed with MA, then there is light on the horizon.
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i think they are already cover some road race event possibly formula extreme` terry o`neil or james spence???