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Marque Remarks => Kawasaki => Topic started by: BAHNZY on February 16, 2010, 09:14:22 pm
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Perhaps I am reading to much into this, but this bike would have fetched 50% more than what it sold for 6 or so months ago.
The auction was set up with all the right points, ie: ending on a midweek day and at a reasonable time etc yet only attracted one (1) bid, the winning bid.
Given that all the plastics would be replaced and the engine stripped and freshened, the bike is pretty good for what is there.
So what's the story?
- Has the arse dropped out of the market?
- Are the air cooled KX500's no longer desirable?
- Is it really a case of the doom & gloom of the financial crisis?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170443959742&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170443959742&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
The KX500 aside, this CanAm Sonic
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280463067255&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280463067255&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
didn’t even get a bid with a starting bid of $2000, and i thought these bikes were very collectable.
This RM250 was even more of a surprise given that the starting bid was $1000 and it didn’t even get a bid.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270528770989&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270528770989&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
And for a light hearted look at these machines, I can see why this didn’t sell;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250568049905&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250568049905&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT)
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Bahnsy the bottom of the rm250 add says don't bid it has been sold I seen that one and was interested untill I seen that. :)
Also I spose with everything every one that was desperate for a kx500 or whatever it may be has got one or they are out of guys price range.
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then you look at dead dog s prices and you have to wonder wtf
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Alot of them say sold don't they but they can't have for what they were advertised could they?
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they seem to have a big turn over/back too ebay ::)
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And this one, after the reseve had been lowered.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250577468589&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250577468589&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
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they are a great bike if you can find
a good one for under $4500
i think its a bargain ;)
i think the market has slowed a bit
having said that if it was a cr500 84 it would sell easy ::)
cant understand that :o
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Bahnsy that rm465 makes no sense that was 1800 buy it now a couple of weeks ago.
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And it gets even more difficult to understand.
The Can Am Sonic that was advertised earlier this week
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280463067255&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280463067255&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
and did not recieve a bid at $2000 has been re-listed as
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280466032636&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280466032636&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
with a starting bid of $3500.
Understanding they are different auctions, if it didn't get a bid at $2000 then why would it get a bid at $3500 under a new auction?
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Yeah that happens a bit quite funny but you see alot of bike with reserve it is a silly way to start them if I ever sell I never place a reserve because it is so much simpler for every one if you just start at what you want and any more is a bonus even 1 bid is fine reserve just complicates things.
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And the RM500 that was originally advertised as
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110491217629&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110491217629&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
and did not meet reserve with 23 bids upto $5100 has now been relisted as
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110495418426 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110495418426)
with a starting price of $1000.
I would have thought $5100 was above market value in the 1st place. What would this bike be worth in todays market?
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I reckon $5K maximum for the 500E
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Hi Bahnsy, Good Restored Open Class VMX'ers get AUD$3500.00 - AUD$5000.00 and are generally worth what the owner has put into it. Depends how much you want it, whether it is a keeper, or if you just want something race ready. This RM500E, is definately worth $3500K+ if the bore is small. I have paid $5K for something worse....
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Dont get me started on reserve's.
The amount of people that put a starting price on an auction then talk up the sale in the auction blurb that it is a "No Reserve" auction.....What the?
A starting price is a reserve is it not?
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You couldn't be more right on the reserve I dont think I would ever consider buying a bike someone else has done purely because there is something about rebuilding the bike yourself more enjoyable to ride more satisfying knowing you put in the hard yards to do it yourself I have bought 1 bike of ebay bitsa mt250 it is good when you sell on it but hard to buy from it is much better when someone says I have this I want that.
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The reserve price is when a seller sets the auction at an undisclosed hidden starting price. I dont really like those sorts of auctions so i ask the seller and sometimes they tell you. I sometimes use the reserve price auction method if i have a pricy item i dont want to let go too cheaply so if the bidding doesnt meet the reserve your not obligated to sell it. It saves the heartache of selling a item for less than you really want for it.
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I understand why you'd use reserve in that case but you could just put your reserve as the starting price what you are willing to take for it so 1 bid or more is fine and you can't lose.
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No matter what anyone is saying about the economy and the GFC, stuff just isn't selling ATM.
I've been trying to cut back my fleet of cars recently. I know the market is shitty, and I always try to price stuff so that it actually sells - but even so, its been super tough going.
The one car I have sold (a 1995 Volvo 850 FWIW) was a good clean thing - just serviced, road-worthy certificate, etc. Most similar ones are advertised at $3500+.
I started at $2700, thinking I'd get a quick, easy sale.
I wish! I didn't get a single call until I dropped the asking price to $1800. It finally went to the third caller for $1500... And the two earlier callers were very hard work, and clearly expected a hell of a lot for their $1500 (I told all of them straight away, that $1500 was the price).
The other stuff has garnered basically no interest - even the stuff that I was fending off offers for a year ago, and that the leg humper on AusRotary were all telling me was worth double what I'm asking...
Looking around, a lot of things are suffering from the same lack of buyer interest - even big bore 2-strokes must be feeling the pinch.
And, as a buyer, I'm rapidly realising just how much its a buyer's market at the moment. While lots of things are advertised at the 'normal' price, they're just not selling - and if you look beneath the surface/time it right, you'll find a lot of sellers willing to take a lot less than their asking price. I recently bought a clean, running IT175K - when the seller jumped on my offer of $600 (from an $800 ask), I knew I cold have gotten it for considerably less...
Oh, and the thing with relisting with a higher starting price, is because the seller thought they were going to be swamped with bids the first time around. When that doesn't happen, they give up on the hope of a bidding war, and just aim for what they want (and obviously make it much less likely to sell, which is their choice, I guess).
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A starting price is a reserve is it not?
Yes it is, regardless of what spin they try to put on that. Also, the moment I see "reserve not met", you know the guy is full of it and trying to sell junk for zillions. eBay is not Christies, FFS!
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Things have probably pulled backa bit, pitty i just spent a bit of cash on 3 bikes..
OLDYZMAN
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Supply and demand, open class bikes in clean condition seem to have been imported by the truck load and the market has softened. You don't need to buy a dunger so I guess unwashed stuff like the Can Am Sonic just gets looked past.
I think in NZ cars are even worse.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Classic-vintage/auction-271777943.htm
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Imagine trying to get 100 grand for a Chuppah at the moment. Now the the Teutals have stop functioning as a family unit the dream is gone.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Cruiser/auction-267528658.htm
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I know a fellow that sold a canam sonic 500 to a chap that lived in the states for $10,000 that was around 1999 to 2000, the market have changed some what.
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Yes marc the recession has devalued that RM 500E I nearly brought eh!
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ebay and trade me make things easy when you are buying a bike, car, house....just type in 'desperate', 'must sell' and offer next to nothing
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Imagine trying to get 100 grand for a Chuppah at the moment. Now the the Teutals have stop functioning as a family unit the dream is gone.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Cruiser/auction-267528658.htm
Yeah i read the other day that the American Chopper series has ended....oh well they still have their iron works company to keep them afloat.
Ever since TLC took over from Discovery,they turned it into a disfunctional family reality show that barely showed the bike build anymore,instead of the 2 episode affair of Discovery.
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A starting price is a reserve is it not?
Sort of, but I suppose the difference is that the starting price is immediately visible, while the reserve is not.
I wish I had some spare cash right now. There does seem to be some bikes going cheap.
Tex
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Yes marc the recession has devalued that RM 500E I nearly brought eh!
Too true, but I am really happy I kept it, my hassle is more storing bikes than being able to pay for them. ;D
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If that's who I think it was Dot he had top dollar on all his bikes at that time. The market has definitely softened hasn't it. I guess you couldn't get $120,000 for a Maico 490 these days either...
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I guess you couldn't get $120,000 for a Maico 490 these days either...
I know someone who reckon's he's still gunna get that much. ::)
Maico 490's are old news now. They're everywhere and had everything done to them. So much so that they've outlived their niche in history and people are bored with them. Now they either want something that functions and is easy to keep (YZ 465, KX 500, RM 465, CR 480) or something that is indeed unique (Husky CR 500, KTM 494 twinshock, Monty 414). So many other bikes have been turned into Mega 2's that they've actually de-valued the real ones.
Ha! :)
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ross , remember to stick to your budget ,have they got a dimmeys in ballarat :o
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Yeah i read the other day that the American Chopper series has ended....oh well they still have their iron works company to keep them afloat.
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Just after we left the official story Paul Sr successfully took Paul Jr to court to recover the 10% share Paul Jr had in OCC. I like the attitude in the final 3 shows of Rick and Co to Paul Jr who had taken the glory while they did the work for years. I have a friend in the US who lives near them, Paul Sr and the Iron Works had pulled some shonky business over the years.
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I gues this topic has got off the rails a bit, but here is another one that give's me the shits.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270532918918&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270532918918&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
It's obviously not RM, the bore has a dirty big chunk missing out of the exhaust port and it's full of rust. A mate of mine sent him an e-mail to advise that it is in-correctly advertised, has the auction been ammended - No
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And that Sonic (e-bay - 280466032636) diddn't even get a bid 2nd time around.
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That Sonic was on Ebay about a year ago. It reached about $1,300 from memory. She's pretty rough and needs a full resto. It's missing the original vented side covers which are unobtanium.
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Its baaaacccckkkkk!!
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280480952300&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNARL:AU:1123 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280480952300&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNARL:AU:1123)
$3000 reserve & no bids last time.
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With both these bikes up for grabs it will be interesting to see what the market brings.
With the 2nd bike at $3k add say another $2k / $3k to bring it to the same spec which way will the market go?
Either way, this is big money for these bikes.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260592478775&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260592478775&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
Buy it now at $9000. Currently at $5100 with reserve not met.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170478017876&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170478017876&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
Starting price of $3000 with no bids as yet.
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Know the second bike, it's been around a bit.
K
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How many do you want, never shortage of open class MXers on Tardme. I know of a few nice ex Californians that are yet to find a home at $5500.
Remember the pre inflation days when Trevor Williams SR sold for not much more money than they want for the KX500.
Over supply has killed open class prices, better to sink your cash into 250s and 125s.
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I know the really sweet 83 KX500 - I supplied the NOS plastics for it. As he says, the bike has sat in his pool room and only been ridden around the yard. It is an impressive ride
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I know the really sweet 83 KX500 - I supplied the NOS plastics for it. As he says, the bike has sat in his pool room and only been ridden around the yard. It is an impressive ride
Yeah I really liked that one as well, I could live out my SR500/Trevor Williams fantasies. Market is slow but price is not crazy when you compare it to a new KX450F.
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Market is on the rise...Now it sits in my pool room
(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss270/ted84photos/002-2.jpg)
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Market is on the rise...Now it sits in my pool room
(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss270/ted84photos/002-2.jpg)
Amazing to see these are so desirable nowadays.I raced one back in '84 in C grade series at Broadford and it spat me off over the downhill doubles (result broken collarbone).Sat round all day waiting for me mate Cheney to finish all his races so I could go home and get the fiance to drive me to hospital.She wasn't impressed .Bike was then sold to pay for the honeymoon.Big mistake.Always found I was sliding too far fwd in corners and burning knee on the pipe.I bought mine so for $900 at Elizabeth St start of '84.Cheney was riding one of Trevor Williams 250s he bought from Doyle at Kaw Aust if I remember.We wanted to look like our hero mate Ronnie Dinsdale who was riding Kawas for Cosway at the time.
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Market is on the rise...Now it sits in my pool room
(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss270/ted84photos/002-2.jpg)
Amazing to see these are so desirable nowadays.I raced one back in '84 in C grade series at Broadford and it spat me off over the downhill doubles (result broken collarbone).Sat round all day waiting for me mate Cheney to finish all his races so I could go home and get the fiance to drive me to hospital.She wasn't impressed .Bike was then sold to pay for the honeymoon.Big mistake.Always found I was sliding too far fwd in corners and burning knee on the pipe.I bought mine so for $900 at Elizabeth St start of '84.Cheney was riding one of Trevor Williams 250s he bought from Doyle at Kaw Aust if I remember.We wanted to look like our hero mate Ronnie Dinsdale who was riding Kawas for Cosway at the time.
I'm guessing that would be ex vintage racer darren cheney you're talking about? Is this mick by any chance?
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;D correct JK
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This is a well known bike in NZ can't believe it hasn't sold yet.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=302083216
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And this one went for $3650, even with the dodgy pipe.
Muffler, rear guard, and seat cover are not speciifcaly correct, but at that price it wouldn't be a stretch to make it right without spending a packet. A genuine good buy if the engine is as good as advertised.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230498205737&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230498205737&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)
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the trade me one looks pretty good and with the exchange rate they way it is.......... but how difficult is it to get bikes Nzud to Aus????
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Im sure he would help sort it email him or ph 027 4431182
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the trade me one looks pretty good and with the exchange rate they way it is.......... but how difficult is it to get bikes Nzud to Aus????
Not such a big deal as long as you pay the GST
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marcFX - who tranports this way though - do you know? ???
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Here's one that i havn't seen around the traps before.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370448817410&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1123 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370448817410&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1123)
Pretty rough and will need a ground up re-build but it looks like its all there (muffler aside)
In todays economy a good $ for this bike would be $1200 to $1500
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Bugger I hoped no one would notice this but knew they would was going to go a decent bid on it but thinking of not bothering now is it worth the drive for me I don't think so if it were an rm500 on the other hand.
To many people like me watching ebay nowadays. ::)
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Well I am leading it but doubt I will at the end will see what happens. :)
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Wasn't far off the pace.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370448817410&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1123 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370448817410&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1123)
$1125 Good buy for soemone. Now the $3500 to bring it up to spec ;D