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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Husk72 on December 27, 2009, 06:49:05 pm
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Went riding at a mates place last week and spied an '92 RM80 lurking besides a KDX200 he has in his shed.
As you do,you ask whats wrong with it,etc,etc.
He said its a runner,but the water pump housing area needed a gasket and something else.He had the parts sitting on a shelf ready to go.He told me his son had lost interest,and the bike needed to go to a good home.
The bike is complete,a bit dirty and showing its age,but apart from that seems in good condition.I thought it'd be a nice step up for my son and its been on my mind to make the owner a decent offer for the bike but,I have no idea what the bike is worth.
Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,Mark.
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how longs a piece of string
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Based on some very quick 'research', it seems that once an 80 is old, the asking price for a running bike is $500 ~ $1000, depending on its condition. Interestingly, it doesn't matter exactly what it is, or how old it is (I guess this is because "its still a good bike for little Johnny to go ridin' at me bruvva-in-lawz farm down tha coast").
How brutal you are with you mate, it up to you...
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They are all good bikes that hold there value really well when we were after one for my little brother we managed to pick up a good 96 kx80 for $800 but that wasnt easy earlier ones were selling for more than $1000 on ebay. :)
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Mark, I'd be offering $250 to start with..if he looks insulted then $300 but stress the point that there are chinese bikes everywhere now and these are the bikes the kids really want..not old worn out jappers ;).....
thus leaving all the good stuff for us old blokes who know it's true value..$350 tops! ;D
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I picked up my 92 125 for $950. Id say around $500 ???
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try finding an RM80C and see what you'd pay.. :'(
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Do you want an rm80c Luke. ???
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Luke, a 100% complete RM80C sold locally on fleabay just last week for $600. The model in question for this topic is a '92 model, hardly vintage, far from new and not really at all collectable ;)
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Oh I agree completely, Chris. the '92 should go for no more than $300.
sigh.. $600 !! Last time I bid on one it went for silly money. Perhaps it is time to look again!
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Does it have to be a C model Luke? The B/C's are much harder to find but N/T/X/Z models still pop up with some frequency and don't seem to sell for as much. Maybe an RM or early JR50?..I have both the RM50N and the '78 JR50C fortunately, the young guy here who's 5 is just learning to ride the JR so finally they get some use! I just knew someone other then myself would appreciate them one day ;D
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Thanks for the replies; Nathan,Frosty,Doc,luke,and Clarkey all useful info.The string one was outta left field though! ;)
I spoke to my mate,to sort a price out,and he said $200 was what he was looking for.I didn't have to offer him,he put it out there.
So judging on what you guys have said,that would be a very good price.Si?
Theres every chance though his kids will end up riding it(which I don't mind) when I fix it up,my sons a bit off the pace to ride one of those yet,so its a win all round.
Thanks again.
Cheers,Mark.
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Sounds like you done alright all the goodies disc etc etc on those so a good bike to get they last a while on them too I dont think it matters what year they are all the small rm yz cr hold there value well. :)
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Doc - my memory is failing me and this may seem like a silly question - what was the first RM80 - was it an A? They were rare as hens teeth in Tassie and I am not srue whether we got any until the B or even C at our local club.
You are right - I have been keeping an eye out for a decent one and they don't come up very often!
regards
Rossco
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Cold hard facts. Rock up to the wreckers and they will offer you about $40. 15 to 25 year old 80cc MXers are really not worth a pinch of cockatoo shite. Offer as you like and as mentioned stress that kids can buy flash shiny new Chinkies for a pittance.
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Yes Tim try buy the $40 15-25 mxer from them and they will want $400. I cant understand the chinese bike craze people should no that you get what you pay for I have a mate that bought one $800 new but after one year his boys hadnt trashed it but it had spat heaps of parts and then seized so they bought another new $800 so that is up to $1600.
My point is buy the slightly faded rm yz cr they may not be as flash and a bit more expensive in comparison but they are built to last. :)
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like any bike do some research before you buy.i have two chinese bikes never rattled a bolt loose on either and both have been mechanically great one is a kx 80 lookalike with a 200cc four stroke the other a xr 100 lookalike with 200cc four stroke.owned both for over a year and never had to replace a part except brake and clutch levers from falling over and there only $10 a piece and available easily none of them blow smoke or leak a drop of oil.but like any bike if it well maintained it will last.cheers gary ps please dont bag me to much for admitting to owning these ;D
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oldschool, you no doubt have the acceptable Chinese cheapies, I'm not bagging the larger full size bikes I'm bagging the zillions of these so called thumpsters, pitbikes and 2 stroke quads. Some of the 'real' bikes coming from China aren't too bad at all and even I have seen the sttraction, problem is, the kids don't want these half decent bikes, they just want those shitbox thumpsters.
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Agree with ya Frosty,sometimes that $600 pitty ends up far more expensive,in the long run.
Doc,funny how you mentioned that,about all the kids wanting pitbikes etc.
Whenever my son and I have headed off to the bike parks to ride,he seems to hook up with kids who're riding Chinese bikes and he can't wait to swap a ride with them.I reckon his CRF80 has had more hours riding by other kids than he has ridden it. ;D
Cheers,Mark.
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it's gotta be the bling factor Mark..the CRF80 doesn't have the Smartie packet anodizing or 17 inch wheel travel, billet oil cooler, billet gas cap, billet sump plug, billet filler plug, billet triples, cnc'd everything, hydraulic clutch, triple wave discs with quad piston calipers..billet of course!, USD forks..jeez! why the heck would any kid want the bland ol' CRF!! :D, have taught the young fella here. if it's old it's gold! ;)
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Yeah I thought that too Doc,the bling and billet stuff,so I went and got the gos straight from the horse himself.
Young fella told me he liked the pitbikes cause,"they're easier and fun to ride,can wheelie,do donuts,and they go faster."
So there ya go,bling doesn't mean much to him at all.
If its old,its gold.Like that saying.
I might try drilling that into him,cause one day he will own all the bikes around here.So he better get used to old! :)
Cheers,Mark.
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they go faster!! :o only one answer for that..get him the RM80 ;) I'm sure he'll soon see the errors of his ways :D
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even though they were good for the kids to learn on they will both be for sale shortly.13 year old and me both have our eyes on a kx 80 79 mod been on evil bay 3 times buy now $650 and no sale still gotta convince the missus into something older.the 13 year old loves the older bikes she realy wants an old suzuki so she can look like dad.both chinese bikes eventhough smaller in size than my pe are much heavier and both are very top heavy.cheers gary
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I think Doc,the lad sees he is on a 125/150,therefore its gotta go faster.
Can't wait to chuck him on the RM ;),he'll spend more time in the weeds (and flying off into them faster too) than he did learning to ride his CRF ::).
Yeah thats one thing oldskool I found,that lets you down on the China bikes the weight is too much for what the bike should really carry.I'm probably a bit too big at 6'1 and 96kgs.My Yamoto thingy doesn't like to go straight at speed,and the handlings never been great.I've been on all sorts of off track excursions holding on for grim life!Also had a lovely little episode where the throttle jammed wide open when riding near some deep rocky ruts which had been made by 4 wheel drives,and was bone dry.My sons brother still thinks to this day I was riding through them at speed like a pro,truth be known I was frigging holding on with everything I had,bucking and jumping everywhich way for about 20 odd metres.I was actually trying to ride round the ruts and miss 'em altogether,til said throttle,jammed.
Sooo,that bike has been condemned to spend its days in the backyard.Evil,evil,thing!
Good luck with the kwacka,be a nice old girl to fix up.
Cheers,Mark.
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Husky, I'm not 100% against chinese manufacture, here's a beaut mix of both worlds..spotted on fleabay a few weeks back for about a grand. Don't really care what the purists think I reckon it looks shit hot and has given me mucho food for thought as I've an RM50N awaiting some long overdue attention. Been pricing new USD forks and wheels already and it's all very cheeeeeep (as one would expect given it's chinka :P) soon as the rain stops I'll be rich and ready to purchase!! ;D
(http://osxdwg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pcOIZISKX_zJiJYxFsoJcHyFYBR0BbPF0XLVmRy4WdDI7fCpPr9-tBW1SHyc4iN8x0UwSgL_bwofJmIIvwU4fUYp3MYlS-rlR/RM50%20Disc%20brake%20USD.jpg)
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I think your rm looks good Doc I love getting the pe400 out with newer bikes and most guys get really pissed when you blow them away on an old bike they dont seem to like it at all.
My little brothers kx80 is a beasty little bike blow any pitbike to peices I am going away riding soon I might step into the shed now and get the 400's looking a little better thanks Michael. :)
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I agree with you Doc,that little 50 is awesome.The wave discs really stand out. 8)
You know,thinking on what you last typed I reckon you're right.We need more kinda radical interbreeding with old and new.Some bikes will never be anything but ridden into the ground and tossed,no matter where its manufactured,and won't be collectable because of mass market sales,China bikes more so.So I'm with you on swapping and inter-changing with Jap,China,and Euro,wether it be for go quick,or the wow factor.
With the way things are for most of us,financially adding aftermarket China stuff to a Jap bike will be the rage,as that RM50 has proved,to me anyway.
I think I told you my plans for the Husky,hadn't thought of the upside down forks though.Might be a tad hard to fit them to a 37 year old bike.
Hey Frosty do you have any pics of your PEs that you've posted on here?Like them as much as the ITs,haven't see many 400s before.
The rains been incredible,Doc,not whinging though,really needed it.
Hope you've been out fertilising all ya clients lawns,y'know speed the process up,and be back 3 days later for another trim. ::)Double yer bucks! ;D
Cheers,Mark.
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That's not my RM50 Michael but I hope mine looks as tidy when it's done. Only problem is I just bought a decent pair of original RM50T forks and now they may not be needed..not for this project at least ;)
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I am sure yours will look as good Doc.
Mark here are a couple of my on one of the 400's at benalla vinduro I really like my 400's I have a few of them thanks Michael.
(http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/frostype400/frosty1.jpg)
(http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu283/frostype400/pe400benalla2-1.jpg)
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the two china bikes i have are xmotos and a ddr dead dog racing who also sell a lot of vintage dirt bikes.the xmotos bike has everything locktited when they sell them they dont come in a crate,i get on it to put it on the ute and at lo speed it nearly falls over,there website says it will do 100kmh :o and i think it would but havent found anyone silly or brave enough to try it.the ddr is a much better bike for ballance but still very heavy and the steering is a bit funny i think it dosent have enough locc or has to much rake.if you go to the other ozvmx ning site you can see them in one of the photos loaded on the ute.when the throttle stuck on husk and you went through the ruts that wasnt at coomera by any chance.and that rm 50 looks pretty kool doc.cheers and thanx for not giving me a hard time for admitting to owning china bikes well the kids own them not me ill stick to my pe175.gary
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Nice PE,Michael. Benalla looks like a good place to ride.
No need to give you a hard time owning Chinkers oldskool,you ride what you can,its all about riding and having fun.
No I haven't been to Coomera yet,I keep saying I will,never get round to it.
The place I was riding that suicidal day,is called Pepper Hill,out near Molendinar Industrial estate.Theres a bit of variety in there,and it hasn't attracted the idiot element,yet.Not a bad area,just that 4wds get out there in the mud and really rut the place up.
I was told by a mate out Ormeau way of some tracks in a pretty low key area near him.Not where they all ride at present near the quarry,further down the road apparently,you may know it.When all this wet dries up a bit I'll head out there take a gander.If its the goods,I'll post you.
Cheers,Mark.
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sounds good mark always looking for somewhere to ride always go with the kids so the quieter the better.cheers gary
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Been pricing new USD forks and wheels already and it's all very cheeeeeep (as one would expect given it's chinka :P) soon as the rain stops I'll be rich and ready to purchase!! ;D
(http://osxdwg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pcOIZISKX_zJiJYxFsoJcHyFYBR0BbPF0XLVmRy4WdDI7fCpPr9-tBW1SHyc4iN8x0UwSgL_bwofJmIIvwU4fUYp3MYlS-rlR/RM50%20Disc%20brake%20USD.jpg)
I haven't had much experiance with Chinese bikes but the little I have had hasn't been good.
Never judge a book by its cover
The chinese bikes I have ridden have looked trick as with all their anodised billet pieces & allthough the forks looked good they must have only copied the outside as the forks were total crap with no damping what so ever.
Brakes were much the same. The discs looked good but worked worse than a drum braked stock XT that I had been riding.
I see some of you guys have had a good run with some Chinese stuff so I reckon you really need to research what models are any good.
Just because it's new doesn't mean it will be any good.
And the handling of those pit bikes is woeful compared to any XR 80 or similar
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Geoff, I think the key element is be 'very selective'. I wouldn't plan on building any sort of half serious bike using chinese parts but the bike in the pic above I'd gladly display beside my true jappers. It may never be ridden but I never modify anything so far that originality cannot be easily restored ;)
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i agree geoff while mine have been mechanically good my 13 year old daughter can ride hers better than i can i get off my pe and get on hers and its like learning all over again.was just out washing them after last sundays mud fest and noticed a sticker on the xmotos bike on the engine wich is a zongshen 200cc the sticker says reliable products zongshen standard of japan,dont know if its made there or not.i also used to own a jianshe 200cc full size bike wich was a yamaha copy and yamaha owns jianshe the yamaha pw 50 is made at the jianshe factory alongside the py 50 copys you see.the jianshe 200 was a good bike had plenty of go handled very well for chinese but started doing jumps on it and nearly ended up with the rear shock up my arse :o the mount that holds it to the frame started to crack there was only about 30mm of steel holding it on $120 repair at dave kellets put the bike on evil bay and sold it for $100 more than i paid for it bought a pe and never looked back.cheers gary
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A lot of Chinese stuff is shit but there's now a fair bit of quality starting to shine through. I'm using Chinese billet alloy throttles, stainless steel fatty footpegs and chain guides on my hot rod bikes and reckon the parts are better and way cheaper than the more popular branded items. I'm using a Chinese ignition on my Ducati (and possibly the Benelli) and Chinese Filtron knock off air filters on the Benelli. I'm not using the Chinese parts because I'm a tight arse, I'm doing it because the parts are good, full stop.
I've said it on these pages before...It's easy to lay shit on the Chinese products right now because much of it is indeed crap but there is a a smattering of quality parts coming through now and to brush everything aside as 'Chink' rubbish will come back to haunt us. I'm old enough to remember when everyone laughed at Japanese cars. Decent Chinese bikes are just around the corner, trust me. When they finally get it right the whole bike market will go through a revolution like we've never seen before.
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I read somewhere that the Chinese have the technology to build anything,providing they have guidance,and all the relevant information on how to build it.
Look at the Puzey,designed by others,built by Chinese.It looks good,has gotten good reviews,has a few bugs to iron out,nothing serious,and its well priced.So you could be right Mark,about its only a matter of time before they get it right!
The killa Yamoto 200 thing I have was the town bike.I think 2004-ish model.My ex's son bought it.She didn't want him to have it as he had never ridden a bike before,besides that it was siezed at the time.So I got it off him.
As you've stated Geoff it falls short of quality suspension,and brakes,but the motors quite strong.I also have PY80 lookalike,that has amazed me for still going strong since I purchased it secondhand in December 06.Its done a lot of miles,and was the little fellas first bike,so its been abused some.All I've ever bought for it was an oil injector pump.Simply keeps going. ;D
So we might have to change our tune to:
I think I'm turning Chinkanese,turning Chinkanese,I say I think so!
Cheers,Mark.
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mark if lt is the 2 stroke py80 everything on it is yamaha,i know a mechanic near me at beenleigh he just rebuilt one for a customer and every part he bought for the motor he bought from yamaha.one of the bikes i own is made by shineray witch i think from memory when i was looking up stuff about it before i bought it have been making ignition systems and wiring harneses for honda and suzuki bikes and cars tor years,and they have there own motorcross team that does pretty good in asia.the shineray is based on a honda even the exhaust system is exactly the same as xr/crf100.cheers gary
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Gary,you could be right.I know bugger all about them. ???
The stamp on PY80 lookalikes engine case's is: STROLL.
I tried looking that up,but came up empty.I can't find any other info for the bike,but as I typed previously this bike has bee fantasic.
Cheers,Mark.
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picking up on Firko's comment - briefly - we use steel grinding balls in our mills here at work - 18 months ago we changed supply for a trial of chinese balls - manufactured under international supervision. Since then we have changed to these chinese balls because consumption dropped by average of 40% saving us millions over that time. It can be done if supervised properly. ;D
And I can remember when made in Japan meant made of shite!
Rossco
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Ever notice how not so long ago you steered clear of anything saying Made in Taiwan & now most of their stuff is great-most big US name bicycle frames are now made there. If Taiwan is 20yrs behind Japan in quality at the worst & rapidly catching then how far behind is China? Just a thought
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China is already capable of making good stuff, as most large companies have their products made there,
It's just chinese designs that are crap.
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Although i wouldnt touch chinese bike stuff just yet, the other day i was just looking at this whole new type of high powered LED torches that just blow everything else out of the water. Im not talking about the $3 touches with 5mm LED's you can find on ebay or cheap shops. These are a different sort of high powered LED with beam strength and penertation that surpases halogen. These torches also have digital programing where you can program the beam brightness etc. The thing i was amazed with that a lot of these different torch brands (there are lots which makes buying one a hard decision as there is so many features/types/qualities) are made in China and some of the good known American brands are made offshore in China too.And these toruches can cost anywhere from $50 to several hundred dollars for just a tiny AAA or AAA torch. My eyes quickly opened because i still thought the good old 'Maglite' was still the torch to have but i quickly realized how they are now way behind the times and not that good compared to te latest generation stuff. So the bottom line is that China can make really good stuff when they really want to and the price is usually a good indication of the quality.