Pre90 Machine Eligibility

[Nathan S]

Agreed Ross. The eligibility rules of any existing class would have to be treated with kid gloves, if touched at all.

[bigk]

What about the 20 foot rule? If it looks right from 20 feet away, it is. Every class, every model. Bikes don't win races, riders do.
K

[KTM47]

Get that rule put in the book, but use metric measurement.

[Bamford#69]

Hi, I'm thinking if we are going to go , pre 90, pre 95, pre 2000 (OMG)
pre 2005, (WTF) and how will that work with two stroke and four stroke.
Are 95's so different from 94's
are 2000's so different from 1999's
are 2005's so different from 2004's
cheers

[Nathan S]

Hi, I'm thinking if we are going to go , pre 90, pre 95, pre 2000 (OMG)
pre 2005, (WTF) and how will that work with two stroke and four stroke.
Are 95's so different from 94's
are 2000's so different from 1999's
are 2005's so different from 2004's
cheers

Are 70 models so different to 69 models?
85s from 84s?

If we separate bikes on technology, then you consign lots of bikes to VMX irrelevance, despite being competitive bikes in their day.
The first Uni-Trak was rubbish, the first power valve did virtually nothing, the first front disc wasn't appreciably better than the drums, early USD forks are horrible, the 97 CR250 is a turd, etc. Then again, Full Floater was a clear step forward, nobody ever questioned the performance of cartridge forks, etc.



Presumably, when the currently modern bikes are VMX, the classes would be Lites/Opens as they are now.

[09.0]

I think there shouldn't be any carry overs. A 90 cr500 isn't that much different to an 89. Nor is a 91. Only a few more slight changes in 92 then 93.....
The cut off is the cut off imo.
The end.

[mick25]

Im curious ? Can anyone who post in this thread give a copy of a submission they have sent to MA for a rule change?

spot on mick

I think there shouldn't be any carry overs. A 90 cr500 isn't that much different to an 89. Nor is a 91. Only a few more slight changes in 92 then 93.....
The cut off is the cut off imo.
The end.

spot on to brad

[FourstrokeForever]

What about the 20 foot rule? If it looks right from 20 feet away, it is. Every class, every model. Bikes don't win races, riders do.
K

EDIT.....If it looks right from 3.4 meters away!

I agree K. I don't see any point in going over any machine with a magnifying glass and a rule book if the bike looks like it belongs. If it's blatantly obvious that the bike has later model parts added that will improve it's performance, I'm sure those lined up in the same class will let the guy know that the bike is just not on.
At the end of the day, it would be neigh on impossible for any eligibility scrutineer to know everything about every era of machinery and it's components.

[KTM47]

Is that 3.4 parking meters or water meters?

[KTM47]

20 feet is 6.096 Metres

[Hardo]

The question should be:
How many of you blokes commenting here even have a Pre-90 bike? 
ie: why even care?

*opening popcorn*

FWIW I agree with Brad in that you cant race any 85+ model in Pre-85, so why the hell do some blokes think a 90 + model can be allowed in Pre-90?
 
Here comes 20 pages .... 

[Nathan S]

Hardo, you can race any Post-84 model bike that meets the criteria of a carry-over model.
You can race with any post-84 component that meets the criteria of a carry-over component.

This holds true for all eras.

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Imagine you had a 89 KX500, and a 91 KX500. Now pull both bikes to pieces and put all the parts into one big, mixed up pile.
Any component that can't be identified as being different between the two, is a carry over component.

[Hardo]

Hardo, you can race any Post-84 model bike that meets the criteria of a carry-over model.

Nath... I did my best to ignore you.... but you got the better of me...

Can you tell me what bikes are "carry-over models" ie: 1985 + that are legal to race in Pre-85 class?

I was unaware there was such a thing .... but happy to be educated.

[Nathan S]

Hardo, you can race any Post-84 model bike that meets the criteria of a carry-over model.

Nath... I did my best to ignore you.... but you got the better of me...

Can you tell me what bikes are "carry-over models" ie: 1985 + that are legal to race in Pre-85 class?

I was unaware there was such a thing .... but happy to be educated.

Was I too subtle?

The rules allow carry-overs - this doesn't promise that there are carry-overs.

The fact that there are no (competitive) post-84 carry-over bikes doesn't stop there being legit post-84 carry-over components or post-89 carry-over bikes/components.

[KTM47]

I will get in now before this post is closed. In my opinion any follow on models (not carry over) should be listed in the MOMS, same as Pre75 & Pre 78 etc. follow on are models that have not changed apart from maybe graphics or colour etc.

As for what submissions have been sent to MA ask them or wait until the commission minutes come out. Other than that ask your club what they submitted.

I won't comment on Ravenwood I wasn't there for financial reasons.