YZ250-E

[09.0]

Thanks for the advice in regards to weight and gear box's, have spoken to people involved with or Presidents of 2 of the major Vintage Mx hosts in Vic and all have advised that riding an E in pre78 is fine with them at a club level. I dont plan on ever doing nationals, or troubling the place getters at club events for that matter  .

Cheers, Brendan

Unbelievable.

[TM BILL]

Thanks for the advice in regards to weight and gear box's, have spoken to people involved with or Presidents of 2 of the major Vintage Mx hosts in Vic and all have advised that riding an E in pre78 is fine with them at a club level. I dont plan on ever doing nationals, or troubling the place getters at club events for that matter  .

Cheers, Brendan

Unbelievable.

Brad dont let it worry you , i dont know if Brendan is having a lend of us  or if this is the way some people see the sport , "im not a contender so i shouldn't have to ride within the class rules "  

I was pissed that your other thread got turned into the usual shit fight so you had to lock it as i believe you were trying to open up a valid discussion 

Back to the 250 E  dont know bugger all about the 250s but the 125E is a great little bike , that 250D looks like a good buy and is a true pre 78 bike 

[Rookie#1]

Thanks for the advice in regards to weight and gear box's, have spoken to people involved with or Presidents of 2 of the major Vintage Mx hosts in Vic and all have advised that riding an E in pre78 is fine with them at a club level. I dont plan on ever doing nationals, or troubling the place getters at club events for that matter  .

Cheers, Brendan

Unbelievable.

Seriously mate, give it up. A series you'll never race nor a grid you'll ever see, why get ya knickers in a knot about how they run their clubs and what they will or won't allow in whatever class. Put your efforts into having things the way YOU want them at meetings where it may actually affect you. Just let the rest of us ride our old bikes and smile while we do it. Cause that smile is about the only thing that anyone wins at a vmx club day.

[09.0]

Thanks for the advice in regards to weight and gear box's, have spoken to people involved with or Presidents of 2 of the major Vintage Mx hosts in Vic and all have advised that riding an E in pre78 is fine with them at a club level. I dont plan on ever doing nationals, or troubling the place getters at club events for that matter  .

Cheers, Brendan

Unbelievable.

Seriously mate, give it up. A series you'll never race nor a grid you'll ever see, why get ya knickers in a knot about how they run their clubs and what they will or won't allow in whatever class. Put your efforts into having things the way YOU want them at meetings where it may actually affect you. Just let the rest of us ride our old bikes and smile while we do it. Cause that smile is about the only thing that anyone wins at a vmx club day.

Not them , you. Even though, Viper has the pre78 as the "premier class". With the likes of yourself with a 78 model bike. I'm sure it wouldn't happen.
Amazing. You want to buck the system, be prepared for the eligibility bullshit. Exactly what my rant was about. You even came on my thread not to put anything with substance but to single out something fairly irrelevant. So here you are wanting to put a bike into pre 78 that isn't a pre 78 bike. Time and time again so many guys want to do exactly what you are wanting to do. Oh it's only at club level and oh I won't run the nationals and oh, I'm not fast enough to bother the place getters. Well ride it in evo and don't bother the forking place getters there. I'd like a dollar for every new guy that want's to buck the system because at the end of the day don't want to be at a disadvantage riding their worst of era bike in the allocated class, whether they are a competitive rider or not. I abide by the rules yet I'm the bad guy because your type doesn't want to hear the truth. Ride your bike in evo. It's not that hard.

[worms]

have to agree with brad, it's not pre- school, there is a set of rules and guidelines in place for reasons. if anything, you need to pull your head in, and ride your bike in its class and have a fat time doing so. now that's simple is it not?

cheers Worms

[EBT]

have to agree with brad, it's not pre- school, there is a set of rules and guidelines in place for reasons. if anything, you need to pull your head in, and ride your bike in its class and have a fat time doing so. now that's simple is it not?

cheers Worms

Here, here to that 

Cheers Mick.

[Rookie#1]

BRAD, have you ever considered that one of the clubs hosting the days that i'd ride at might only go up to pre78? and that they'd rather another rider at their day rather than 1 less. If you have a problem with that then i suggest you contact them and offer your pathetic "rant" (your words) to them. You're dead right i offered my 2 cents on your aggressively toned, self righteous thread you started yesterday, you go out looking to antagonise folks here for arguments and then for some reason always seem dumbfounded when thats exactly what you get!  You phrased yourself to be taking on an entire state with your initial post, were you again dumbfounded when someone from that state took aim back at you?? Seriously mate i don't know you from a flucking bar of soap and don't wish to, but i can only recommend you try and put some of your efforts into things that might actually achieve your desired results. Good luck to you and good day sir.


As for you Mr.EBT, you can keep your bullshit lack of useful input on your own forum. You're another one who thinks their opinion is the only one that matters and will refuse to take anyone else's point of view on board. You and Brad should start a club 

[09.0]

Man all I'm considering is the fact you don't want to run by the rules. Nothing more, nothing less. That is the way you are talking in general, not about a one time deal to make the numbers. I'm just the bad guy that's pointing it out to you and not winning any friends in the process. The fact I've now burnt you by pointing out what you don't want to hear is the down side as I don't really want people to hate me, but for the love of the sport I will.

You're another one who thinks their opinion is the only one that matters and will refuse to take anyone else's point of view on board. You and Brad should start a club /quote]
What point of view? To cheat is okay because you aren't fast?
Maybe you should start up a club. An all in what ever just go round all day pre 2013 club.

[firko]

The class is called Pre 1978, not Pre '78 and selected guests. I'm with Brad on this, as soon as we start to fudge the cutoffs to suit one or two blokes who have bikes that miss the cut it turns to anarchy. The next thing you know 'Bob' will rock up with his '78 Maico Magnum with pre 78 plates on it crying" If you let Brendan race his Yamaha YZ-E 250 in pre 78, I'm going to race there too" and pretty soon the barriers are blurred and the class turns to shit. The very success of vintage motocross has been because the cutoff dates have been strictly adhered to since 1988. Sure the odd bike comes out of the woodwork that legally crosses the cutoff barrier like the M2 125 Elsinore in pre 75 or the RT1 Yamaha in pre 70 but these bikes have only been included after careful consideration by officials.

I don't care if it's a lowly club day or Farleigh Castle, the rules are there to create a level playing field. If you feel you have a case for allowing the YZ250-E into pre 78 Brendan go through the proper process and submit a proposal to the commission through your club or otherwise enjoy riding in Evo on your Yam.

I was pissed that your other thread got turned into the usual shit fight so you had to lock it as i believe you were trying to open up a valid discussion   

Me too, it's ironic that when you look at the threads that have been locked or banished to the Dumgeon, you'll find that it's often "the usual suspects" who've disrupted discussion. If many of these blokes used their knowledge for good instead of evil this forum would be a happier, more informative place.

[Rookie#1]

I might just start that club Brad, bet I'll get bums on seats and smiles on dials! Seems a lot of folk are more interested in sticking to the rule book down to the poofteenth rather than encouraging people to get involved where ever they can. Y'all can argue till your blue in the face but we'll still respectfully choose to disagree with one another, until vmx club days start having to cap numbers and turn people away because of having too many riders registered on the day I think my point has relevance. That's my last word on the matter, if anyone happens to know of a 250e worth looking at feel free to let know 

[JohnnyO]

The surprising thing about this cat fight is that rookie doesn't have a 250E yet. It would make sense to get a 250D, put a trick aftermarket alloy swingarm and shock on it and Bob's your uncle.. You have a legal and trick pre 78 and competitive Evo bike  

[TM BILL]

The surprising thing about this cat fight is that rookie doesn't have a 250E yet. It would make sense to get a 250D, put a trick aftermarket alloy swingarm and shock on it and Bob's your uncle.. You have a legal and trick pre 78 and competitive Evo bike  

John i thought Rookie was having a lend of us but no it seems hes serious  Your option is the obvious one but i dont think thats what this is about .

I think its called trolling but im not up with forum ettiqute  so i will have to use real life talk and say its shit stirring 

[09.0]

It's the fact he feels it's okay to ride in pre 78 with a 78 bike and still can't see why it's a problem. Why can't a bloke ride in evo with a smile on his dial or buy a D and legally ride pre78. Rookie sees it as me being a rule nazi. It's so easy to conform to the basic rules we have. What about the majority of people that abide by the rules that see a 78 bike on the grid? Would the guy lined up next to 78 yz be happy when he's sitting looking up from his 76 cr250. You bet he won't. Rookie is looking at it with his own self centred wants in mind. He just wants a ride. Best to ride a modern at a modern event then you can ride what ever class you want. Oh hang on, no you can't....

[GMC]

Some people see the sport , "I’m not a contender so I shouldn't have to ride within the class rules "

Some people do honestly believe this but overlook the fact that it just alienates other riders that also ride at the back of the pack.

I can understand that the clubs may have offered that you could have an introduction ride on an out of class bike but I’m surprised that they would have told its members to actively seek out and buy a 78 model for the Pre 78 class.

Low start numbers can be a reason to modify a class to fill grids but I don’t believe that it should be used as a reason to ignore the basic class structure altogether.

[Rookie#1]

Can someone please point out to me the 5 most significant differences between the 250 D&E, besides the obvious swing arm.