Pre 90 VMX

[rls840]

Hi guys, I'm new to the sport and just wondering what the deal is with Pre 90 VMX in New South Wales. Are there any events or plans for any? I've got an 86 CR250 and would love to get it out there and do some riding.

[Nathan S]

Oh my God! You've just uttered the unholy words, thereby invoking the full power of the dark forces from beyond this spectre!

Or maybe just another bitchfest on ozvmx...

Short version:
It was put up as an idea for HEAVEN, and rejected.
Further, HEAVEN's constitution was changed to reject the possiblitly of pre-90 racing (unless the constitution is changed again).

So your options:
1. Join HEAVEN and ride their practice days, and enjoy the company of like minded enthusiasts (but no racing on Saturdays).
2. Travel to Qld or Vic where they race pre-90 (and the sky isn't falling).
3. Join the ACTMCC and race in their "old-school" class.

[TM BILL]

Hi guys, I'm new to the sport and just wondering what the deal is with Pre 90 VMX in New South Wales. Are there any events or plans for any? I've got an 86 CR250 and would love to get it out there and do some riding.

Gidday and welcome  You will find pre 90 events Australia and worldwide , they are also known as pre 2010 or modern events 

As nathan has said the very phrase pre 90 tends to bring out the worst in us misserable old Bastards   

Why not park your 86 and buy a bike that fits in with the current VMX classes in your State .

Im sure Pre 90 will happen one day and when it does you will already have your bike 

However i suspect that once you have ridden a true VMX bike Pre 75 then you will probably sell the 86 

[Graeme M]

What Nathan said. There is no Pre 90 in NSW. And while there is still notionally an 'Old School' class in the ACT club's club day calendar, I don't think there are many starters anymore. Even the guy who started the whole Pre 90 ruckus, young TwistAndShout, has sold his 86 CR in favour of a nice 06 RM250 (thereby demonstrating that he's really seen the light - Honda to Suzuki).

Personally I want to move back to Queensland, all those vintage events within a few hours of home. Sigh...

[rls840]

Thanks guys for the responses, I Think!!! That definately gives me a place to start. I hope that there are ammendments at some stage as I'm in my early 30's and don't really have the connection with the evo and pre 75 bikes that some of you other guys do. Ive got an 84 CR250 that i can get out and have a spin with. I guess I'll just have to keep the 86 for practice days.

[Hoony]

keep your 1986 CR250RG they are a great bike , i have had mine since 1987 and will never sell it.

as for the doom and gloom of pre 90 it's inevitable and will come in to NSW at some stage, no matter what what some of these crusty blokes say. its been running in Vic since before 2003 and it happily survives alongside pre 85 Evo and pre 78 on the same day.

[suzuki43]

Hold onto your bike mate,Pre 90 is coming,the old guard can try and resist the dark side,but its only a matter of time.....

[dave king]

Rls 840,  you will be very welcome at the farleigh castle MXdN where we have 120 pre 1990 500/250 and 125s.   

[TM BILL]

Hold onto your bike mate,Pre 90 is coming,the old guard can try and resist the dark side,but its only a matter of time.....

Fortunatley in NZ its all wind & piss so ill hold off buying my 1988 rm 250 

[Marc.com]

Fortunatley in NZ its all wind & piss so ill hold off buying my 1988 rm 250 
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I think like the bike technology crept forward each year VMX will have to keep pace with it. If a mint YZ250U comes up I will be on it, that U Bill not ewe 

[Gerard De Ruyter (Twistandshout)]

i'm the guy who put to heaven they include pre-90 class, as i had recently bought a nice RG and wanted to race it in a suitable class.  i thought it a retrograde step that in reaction, they actually changed the constitution to prevent it, but that's their choice.  the ACT club then kindly changed their pre-85 class to accomodate bikes like the RG (non-USD/non rear disc), so i raced it there for a year or so (great bike).  then the ACT club modernised its track and most of the old bikes dissappeared (to heaven tracks). 

so, given all that, plus the non-appearance of pre-90 in any other form in NSW recently led me to sell the RG and buy a modern (an '06 RM250) to join the over 45 year old fray.  sad for me not to have a bike from 'back then' (sort of), but that's the way the cards fell.  the RG's going south, to where they accomodate guys who like bikes from this still-evolving era.

[AjayVMX]

The pre-90 debate is many faceted...

One line of arguement is that bikes are not strictly defined "Classic" until they are 20 years old and typically we have tended to jump in year groups of 5 or 10.  So maybe there is an arguement for pre-90 racing to start in 2010 and call them Classic MX.

Another arguement is that the sport of Vintage MX was really about the older technologies of bikes, i.e. the transition from old British fourstorke singles through to two strokes, long travel suspension and then ultimately water cooling and disc brakes.  Arguably, not much has improved, technology wise, since about 1988.  (and don't sprout off about modern 4 strokes, they are a retro-grade step as far as I am concerned  )  Thus the arguement is that Pre-90 is an "old modern bike class" and not really vintage racing as such.

The bottom line is that if enough people want to race pre-90 motocross bikes, why not let them?  The only issue that then arises is whether they should be in Specialised Vintage MX clubs or just race in normal Motorcycle clubs as a Classic Class.

[TM BILL]

Stats for the 2009 Nats
 
Pre 85 entries total inc sidecars 70

Pre 75 entries total inc 4 strokes 166 

Source Qvmx site

Yep those pre 75 dinosuars are dying out

[firko]

    You saved me a post Bill.

[TM BILL]

Bet your smile is as wide as mine Mark 
Great turnout over 400 entries this will be a great nats