Firko project #3

[firko]

At the risk of inciting yet another firestorm, I'll repeat to all that "there are still plenty of bikes out there". Some of them are genuinely interesting bikes as well, like my latest "find", a genuine and rare as shit Cheney Yamaha 360. I first spotted the bike on Mark Holloways Swapmeet site in April and emailed Paul the owner. He got straight back to me, saying that he'd changed his mind and had decided to keep it. "Oh well" thought I and forgot about it until a few days ago when I recieved another email from Paul telling me that he'd had another rethink and had realised that he wouldn't have the time to restore it, so he offered it to me. How much you ask? How about $1500us, the same he was asking in April. It's now on it's way to OZ.

[dkupf]

Nice buy Darcy

[Tim754]

Yummy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Maicojames]

Firko. I had not seen a Cheney Yamaha, but always wanted to have that 360 engine in a chassis that handled like a Maico. Now I see it had already been done. Very Cool-and great buy.

James

[Freakshow]

nA YOU CANT COUNT THAT IT HAS TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY , to fit under " bikes still out their catagory".

Nice bike though.

[cyclegod]

nA YOU CANT COUNT THAT IT HAS TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY , to fit under " bikes still out their catagory".

Nice bike though.

Certainly a nice find but I agree with freaky, had you found it IN Australia it would count but since it will be an
import from the "land of plenty" I say no way 

[pokey]

The boys have a point firko Im sure you see it. The Good Ol US of A  is spoilt for fine machinery. Rickmans and other fine chassis are a  dime a dozen.

 Still damn nice find and it is a rare bike even n the US.. Look forward to seeing its progress pics.

[Freakshow]

I like the NIce gusset work too, would be a very stable frame.  And no need to find a pesky YZ airbox either. Are they steel DT rims 

[firko]

While I agree that it is indeed from the USA, who said a bargain bike has to be in this country? My point is that at the price I got the Cheney for was pretty accesible to many folks who are looking for something different in a  project. I've had the same access as anybody else to the rare bikes that I've recently bought from the USA so what's wrong with looking outside the circle?  I found the Hindall Ducati on eBay with no bids and 15 minutes to go and got it for $1000 and as I described earlier I got the Cheney off Mark Holloways site for a song at $1500.
Freakshow, you can't talk. You've been going on and on about getting a flat tracker and myself and others have pointed you in the direction of a number of cheap bikes or frames in the USA that would cost you three or four times the amount if you could find one here in Australia but you haven't followed up on any of them. I don't bother passing them along any more. By looking outside of the local circle some incredibly cheap bikes can be found. You'd be blown away if you saw some of the bikes that are coming in from Sweden, Denmark and the USA right at this moment, all of them rare race bikes at bargain basement prices.

Pokeys statement that Rickmans and Cheneys are a "dime a dozen" is a little rich. They're still reasonably expensive but they're a hell of a lot cheaper than what you'd pay here but they don't come up as often as you'd think. I know that because Jonsey and myself have been scanning eBay and other sites looking for the rare and unusual bikes or parts for a couple of years .

The point I've tried to make is that there are still plenty of good usable bikes available in Australia, and will there be for a while yet. I'm also pointing out that you can easily look outside of the comfort zone and buy bikes from overseas that you'd have a hell of a time finding here. It's not an elitest thing or is it a rich guy thing. Anybody can do it. With the dollar at a long time high and shipping being cheap and easy these days buying overseas makes sense. I have no intention of this becoming a slagging match as I'm still burning from the last one . All I'm doing is demonstrating that there are a shitload of bikes out there if you look outside of the circle.

[vandy010]

i like the way you think firko,
take any basket case, buy a few parts and try and make something of it
and how much have we spent?
and then to refurbish it? how much extra?
honesty here folks...
i think she looks the goods and i really dig them engines too.
the world is open to us all, no limits.
my 360 is a stator rewind off-of goingk!
and looking forward to it.

[Freakshow]

Freakshow, you can't talk. You've been going on and on about getting a flat tracker and myself and others have pointed you in the direction of a number of cheap bikes or frames in the USA that would cost you three or four times the amount if you could find one here in Australia but you haven't followed up on any of them. I don't bother passing them along any more.

I cant talk? WTF - what am i talking about now ? im just saying you cant count non Au bikes as that was the winge before " all the good bikes are gone" how does that translate to having a go at me

Yes you are correct that there are still bikes out there, i have never said there aint, but NO your very wrong on the other point, How exactly would you know what i have or havent done ?

No offence but the bikes you and the other have shown regarding that post ( where i go on and on and on apparently)  are just that other bikes, not one has been worth purchasing - so shoot me.    i already have my own US bikes,  probally the most historic YZa flat tracker in this country i know of and the other KR framed beast and i still have some over there, you have no idea what i got.   Im not simply after bikes - But what im after in this instance is specific, as you would appriciate, i just need to get a joe average for the project i have in mind i would rather get in Aust if someone in the forum has access to one.

I have found all my bikes myself so its a little bit rich from what i feel your saying is im not looking at the stuff your posting, no offence but most of it bar 1 i had already looked into and investigated and the others where simply shit or built for the wrong motors,  im prity clear in what i need, what i dont want is another roller frame, for something i wont ever use or is for a motor i dont have and ill be stuffed if ill be modding a nickel frame to take what i do have.  I have followed up everything you have posted but NONE were suitable, ( like the US ebay 63 model, i had that thing on the radar the time before you even posted it and knew the motor wasnt a 63 any thing it was a 76 YZ in a shitful frame, its a $1500 junker, did you buy it like you said you were ? 

nor am i not in the market for the 125 and At1 frames either which was the other champion frames you pointed out, or any other old obscure ones.  im not a museum. 

I have past up another YZa too recently, because it wasnt what i wanted today, nice bike and all that but for all the rooting around with transport and $$ it would still not be any good for what i want it for.  IF im not interested in bike leads you shouldnt be getting the shits up with me because im not jumping on the bikes posted, if they arent right, there not right, so you shouldn't just stop posting them because of that, thats crazy Talk?

Can we focus for one minute --> My point was really the comment on the old "bikes out there" and i stand buy it, yes there are heaps of bikes in the US, but the Wave of comments from the forum etc previously was specifically to availability in AU, and i still stand by that, i never remember it being about global bargin bikes, more so about finding them here in australia, well thats the way i remember the feeling going in the old forum.  

I agree with you, there are some great buys overseas, and if your looking for somthing in particular you have a good chance of finding it over there.  

Again I agree with you, there are bikes out there, but we all agreed the $500 specials are fewer, but even then again a bargin is in the idividuals eyes and always has been.  ( just ask my girlfreind - she still thinks they are old junkers she would give away)

the post stands - bikes out there ment AU, you wont get any arguement that there are bikes out there around the worldwide thats a given.

PS - lay off the freaky.   

FwIW - this is a bargin too but its not a frame i can use.  http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220157916328&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012

[firko]

I accept that I may have got it wrong with your flat track bikes and apologise but if you were being so specific you don't say that in your original post. Twin downtube 2 stroke Champion Redline or C&J seems to be all you asked for.

Who said there were rules as to what and where the good finds were? I don't give a flying fork if a bike is in Afganistan of in Adelaide. A good find is a good find and I'd love to know who made it a contest with rules? All I'm doing is showing my new find and explaining that you can get bikes out there be looking ouside of the local circle. You're the one limiting the field. And then you say you're buying bikes from America too. So what are YOU on about?

Why is it that every time I post something like this I end up the forking bad guy? Stick it. I don't know why I bother.

[Freakshow]

I dont know why you get upset ? Post the bike ? we like the bike.............

We never said there where rules.  A good find is a good find.  The only person who has been Pushing the stop whining there are bikes out there post thing has been you ? and when did i every say i wasnt buying o/S ? you ve lost me with that comment.  In my original frame post i am testing the water for an 'early 2 stroke 250 yamaha motor A/m frame' thats the simple specifics.

any how lets Focus -  we were only going by the spirit of old arguement,  I cant give too hoots where the bargins comes from either, but you have to admit your talking about a higher level of bargin here right ? 

think about it, the original forums "firestorm" you where giving the point "Normal Bargain bikes where out there still"  your average VMXer is after a bargain Yamaha or Kwaka or suzi in a Normal MX trim he can put back on the track, those posts related to finding normal Sub $1500 bikes, whereas that $$ would just cover the O/s shipping on the special stuff.   Most of those folks or "newbies as you call us" wouldnt Know a DMR from a KR or a Maicoletta from a 440.  we are talking about 2 differtant things here

Some times Firko you read way too much into stuff, got to remember every one is working at differant levels here and nothing ever gets personal.  and Who says your the bad guy 

Why do you bother ? cause at the end of the day you like the rest of us have an opinion and something valuable to Share 

thank you for sharing your new 432 bike with us..... ( but i still think it goes in the O/S bargin group ok ) 

[Maicojames]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-72-Yamaha-RT2MX-RT2-MX-AHRMA-360-before-YZ_W0QQitemZ130161556256QQihZ003QQcategoryZ6718QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Not a Trackmaster, Champion or Cheney, and you likely wouldn't want to pull the engine for a FT project, but still fairly rare, very cool-a great price and in California-i know no title, but maybe it could be broken down-tank wheels etc.?

[firko]

This is crazy. All I did was post my new find and once again say there are still plenty of bikes out there. The post on the old forum wasn't about sub $1500 bikes. One bike was a rare OSSA Phantom and the other was a C&J framed XL that were found cheap. If they are sub $1500 bikes you need to have another look at your costing factors. 
What I can't understand is people arcing up every time I say that there are plenty of bikes out there. It's true and I'm gobsmacked that people would rather cause an argument ove my wording than agree. Maybe I'm too sensitive and I leave myself open to be wound up, I dunno. Just like in the last thread, I didn't come on here looking for a blue. I came on here happy with my new find, hoping to show it off. As in both threads, others have read something into my posts that genuinely aren't there and weren't intended. Once again, I'm blown away and I'm not going to let this turn into a shitfight like the other thread. I'm out of here.