Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals

[evo550]

Don't recall seeing a pre 75 bike that would meet those MOMS requirements ...probably not many pre 78 either...

Maybe not, but the nationals cater for bikes up to pre '85

[090]

Or are we discouraging participation? If so, why is that a good thing?
Even if I look at my more serious (ha!) race bikes, knowing that I'm going to have to chase hubs, respoke wheels, etc, greatly dampens my enthusiasm for the event - making me less likely to turn up...
Good for the sport?

Aren't we talking about one event , not the vintage movement? Also the pinnacle event when there has to be guidelines that have to be followed . Otherwise, an Australian title would be a fast.

1. Lots of stuff is legally non-era. Personally, I find a 1K7 front hub to be a lot less visually offensive than a set of modern 'fat bars' - and conventional 7/8" bars are a lot easier to find (and fit) than a 322 hub. Unlike the bars, a 1K7 hub offers no tangible performance gains.

I dont know how a set of handle bars can be a performance gain.
Not trying to pick on you mate, but i think you are a bit off the mark.

[worms]

well said Brad,

we all have to remmeber this is the National titles and will be treated as such, if you knowingly travel to this event with a machine not fitting the gcr's for the class you wish to race, just dose'nt make sense, it is not a casual club event where nobody cares, we will have MA representitives overseaing the event as it is a National Title and there will be no exceptions to classifaction of bikes or class.

sounds tough but they are the National Titles.

Cheers Trev

[Rossvickicampbell]

DJ - good point and as LWC said shocks can be overlooked and yes I did - can't argue with that point.

cheers

Rossco

 

[Nathan S]

Or are we discouraging participation? If so, why is that a good thing?
Even if I look at my more serious (ha!) race bikes, knowing that I'm going to have to chase hubs, respoke wheels, etc, greatly dampens my enthusiasm for the event - making me less likely to turn up...
Good for the sport?

Aren't we talking about one event , not the vintage movement? Also the pinnacle event when there has to be guidelines that have to be followed . Otherwise, an Australian title would be a fast.

1. Lots of stuff is legally non-era. Personally, I find a 1K7 front hub to be a lot less visually offensive than a set of modern 'fat bars' - and conventional 7/8" bars are a lot easier to find (and fit) than a 322 hub. Unlike the bars, a 1K7 hub offers no tangible performance gains.

I dont know how a set of handle bars can be a performance gain.
Not trying to pick on you mate, but i think you are a bit off the mark.

I was specifically talking about this one event (ie: The Nationals), but how is it good for the sport if people stay home rather than turning up and being a part of it. Particularly as its an eligibility issue that nobody seems to support (except for "Its in the rules, so it should be enforced", which I do largely agree with).

Have you ridden an old bike with Fat Bars, Brad? I thought they were a wank too, but the give in them is worth probably another 2" worth of travel on the big hits...
They'd help me get around an MX track faster, far more than a hub without 9 webs will.

[DJRacing]

At the end of the day the Rules are the Rules and once you sign the bottom line you are agreeing with them whether you like them or not, they are written in black and white, end of story.
Personal, for one off national titles, I think the more orginal the bikes should be, as the manufacture made them in the day, barring tyres, cables, levers, handlebars and grips as these are true consumables, but only comparible to the orginals' should be allowed. The other components can all be remade/built to the same standard as orginal. True Vintage racing.
The scrutineers I assume have a hard enough job without people turning up with something that can be protested. If you keep your bike as close to orginal as possible and race in the Nationals then good luck, you'll be the better for it and if you podium I bet the wine will taste even sweeter.

[JohnnyO]

I much prefer to have a bike with trick aftermarket period items such as shocks, pipe, radial head, fork kit etc. All parts that were available for the period. Half the fun for me with a vintage bike is tricking it up and trying to get the most out of it. Basically personalizing it so it's not the same as everyones.

[LWC82PE]

i have no problem with that JonnyO, its the modern trick type parts that dont look the right period to me.

[090]

I was specifically talking about this one event (ie: The Nationals), but how is it good for the sport if people stay home rather than turning up and being a part of it. Particularly as its an eligibility issue that nobody seems to support (except for "Its in the rules, so it should be enforced", which I do largely agree with).

I feel that if someone stays home because they feel its too hard to comply, then they are either half hearted about going, or they have too many parts that wont comply that they have been getting away with at club level. For me personally, how could i miss this one. Especially when its in my back yard.Typically, the majority will be more 'locals' that participate.
I also feel that the example you put forward regarding a hub that is incorrect, i would think that not being a glaring difference it would slip through anyway. More so than incorrect shocks and the like which would be a true advantage.

Have you ridden an old bike with Fat Bars, Brad? I thought they were a wank too, but the give in them is worth probably another 2" worth of travel on the big hits...
They'd help me get around an MX track faster, far more than a hub without 9 webs will.

I have a set on my 74 CZ . I took off the originals to save them(welded on lever type) and i had a set of fat bars in the shed. Other than a better riding position, the front still felt the same to me. But then again, if i rode with sticks instead of forks, i probably wouldnt know the difference as i am hopeless with suspension

[HuskyPete]

Quote from Lozza "Onus of proof of eligabilty lies with the entrant" in other words if you have proof(pictures or magazine articles) that the part was used in the period then that overrides everything.NO protest will ever stand with kind of proof"
Just about says it all

[LWC82PE]

thats not always the case though as you can rock up with your Shinobi water cooled head on your 78 RM 125 and your proof in hand but you still cant ride Evo with it fitted. And yes i know Evo is a technology class, but it think if things were to be made fair then the period watercooled kits such as the shinobi as well as other outlawed period parts, could be made legal for Evo, if not then perhapse a new class could be made where we can get to see these bikes that are built with correct vintage period aftermarket parts fitted. I remember someone who had a water cooled mugen kitted 78-80 Honda which really should be in the Evo class but because of the watercooling its not allowed in Evo. Its no big deal to me but its a shame thats the way the rules are. But modern shocks are still alowed

[Nathan S]

Yes, but there's a specific rule that says "No water cooling" in both pre-78 and Evo (and Evo is a technology class rather than any specific age, blah, blah, its been done to death).

So having a 1978 water cooled head would be Evo legal if you could somehow prove that it wasn't water-cooled.... (?!)

[Ji Gantor]

Hi 211kawasaki,
Can you please explain 12.8.8 Drive Chain Protection
12.8.8.5
A counter shaft sprocket which is more than 30mm from the outside of the swing arm pivot must be covered.

I have drawn up option A and B and would like to know what is the interpretation of this rule. Every body seems to say just install a guard but I only want to do what is required. Is a guard required if the sprocket is located like in option A?

Ji

[Ji Gantor]

Or is the rule applied to sprockets that stick out like option B.

Ji

[vandy010]

Ji,
it's not in the "plan" view but a "side" view.