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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #360 on: June 25, 2009, 07:45:56 pm »
Is this a wind up or what .... ::) ::) 

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #361 on: June 25, 2009, 08:12:09 pm »
Look its easy , use a occy strap, when the scrutiner goes to check it , it will fly off smack em in the snout
loose his vision,coursing a diversion, allowing you to slip through with no probs  :D


Gosh its a shame a slow 4 stroke trail bike can go so Fast !!

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #362 on: June 25, 2009, 08:33:25 pm »
Very cunning. But it just might work...

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #363 on: June 25, 2009, 08:35:57 pm »
regardless of the outcome here i think you are mad
if you dont have  springs on pegs
and dont compere dirt track to mx ::)
your talking flat surface no ruts or berms etc
what about when your peg gets jammed with mud and has no
return spring, try riding that :o
my huskys dont have springs standard but i have fitted them
i like my ankles and legs
surely you can do a temporary return spring
without butchering original bike ???

its bad enough riding old bikes on those tiny footpegs
trying to keep your feet on them
without a spring makes it worse
unless you are riding around a footy oval ;D ;)
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #364 on: June 25, 2009, 09:03:46 pm »
and to add, NONE of this shit went on prior to Tassi, Coffs or even WA, ....

Maybe this is because neither Coffs nor Tassie threatened to take the rule-book ultra seriously?

Maybe because both of those events basically said:
'We recognise that lots of bikes are technically not 100%, but if none of the other competitors are worried, so why should we be. We'll treat all protests with the respect that they deserve, but we recognise the people will be travelling a long way and they don't need the stress of worrying about whether their 1975 model clutch cover will prevent them from even getting a start - most competitors will not be vying for the win, so it is foolish for us to even think about worrying about enforcing every last thing.'

In contrast, this thread was started with:
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its safe to say that eligilibty will be enforced  this year. In other words if its not right it wont pass.

Not to pick on 211 - I think the intent of starting this thread was very good. However, it (and many subsequent posts) created the impression that scrutiny would be a particularly humourless process, and that lack of humour does not fit with the approach that 99% of us have to the sport - even when we're at the Nationals.





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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #365 on: June 25, 2009, 10:01:06 pm »
HOLESHOT
i understand your point just just classic and dirt track have the same gcrs and having a spring loaded swinging foot rest is dangerous on a dirttrack slider as we go around rh corners as well much lower than mx bikes.

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« Reply #366 on: June 25, 2009, 10:33:40 pm »
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Maybe this is because neither Coffs nor Tassie threatened to take the rule-book ultra seriously?

Maybe because both of those events basically said:
'We recognise that lots of bikes are technically not 100%, but if none of the other competitors are worried, so why should we be. We'll treat all protests with the respect that they deserve, but we recognise the people will be travelling a long way and they don't need the stress of worrying about whether their 1975 model clutch cover will prevent them from even getting a start - most competitors will not be vying for the win, so it is foolish for us to even think about worrying about enforcing every last thing.'
The powers that be are making these demands and there are more each year. You were at Coffs Nathan so you would have heard of guys being made to put some form of cover over the sprocket. Quite a few guys were caught out there. Isn't it just typical of moving into the future? Things are getting harder to get away with as safety due to insurance/ duty of care crap is going on. You now must have a cross bar pad also.That will catch a few out as well.That wasn't mentioned in past years but has filtered through from the moderns.

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #367 on: June 25, 2009, 11:04:43 pm »
Fair points Brad, but the sprocket cover thing is clear, unlike the footpeg return springs.

The other big issue is how its presented to the punters.
For example, when I sawa amte get knocked back for an inadequate sprocket cover at Coffs, it was "Ah, you're going to have to do something about a sprocket covers because MA are insisting on it".
This is quite different to the "We will..." and "You must..." that's been happening in this thread.

Its the age-old thing: "Treat someone like a dickhead, and they'll lower themselves to meet your expectations".

Most of us have bikes that we've built to be 'within the spirit of the rules' - and have run our bikes at various levels without drama. When everyone is basically put on notice, then everyone is going to be defensive.
I'm leaving my pre-75 125 at home because the front hub on it is only 98% correct , and I don't want the drama - even though it hasn't even raised an eyebrow before now (inc Coffs Nats).
I wonder how many potential competitors are being swayed by the fear that this event will be a humourless affair?

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #368 on: June 25, 2009, 11:06:07 pm »
I think we've all made our points on whether we think return springs are warranted or not. If not having return springs was the only thing preventing me from riding the Nats I'd be fitting them pretty quickly. I may think it's a trivial point but if the organisers feel that it's important enough to act upon well so be it.
As far as the sprocket cover ruling at Coffs Harbour, it wasn't a new thing introduced at that event, we've needed sprocket covers since the advent of open vintage championship meetings...19 years........lets move on eh?

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #369 on: June 26, 2009, 12:08:52 pm »
Im just surprised that the drum being beaten now is MA wants it, crap they do, the first they heard was you asking, and then only a state rep for his take on it, i cant believe this thing even got a one page thread, the rule book dont say it, so all of this regardless of what spin you chaps put on it is for your own needs.  nothing else. 

This spring issue will no doubt be reversed, but the self returning issue could be your ownly issue

And Yer refer the Decibel thread , that was a dooozzie .......
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #370 on: June 26, 2009, 12:27:16 pm »
Hey freaky,
 you aren't stiiiiiring again are you

 are you coming up or what


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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #371 on: June 26, 2009, 12:38:31 pm »
guys
the ruling is
quote folding footpegs without springs are ok lindsay granger MQ
HAVE SMS ANS BACK UP
pre 65 guys you will have to have folding footpegs even thougt the bike didnt have them new i also discussed this with lindsay
thanks for all who replided
now on to something else
cheers
jim

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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #372 on: June 26, 2009, 01:04:54 pm »
Tony .....Who me ?

NAr after you didnt return my calls for a place to stay, or the offer from bert to lend me a bike. im going to sit it out. :-\

would only have been a goer if i could have flown up there, ridden and then flown back.   Actually now you have all you Aussie championship medals maybe you  should be cutting a class and lending me one of your sneeza's ?   :D

But in referance to the posts, i get a little frustrated when simple things get accelerated into another ruling, not that i care what happens up there, but the last thing i want is this stuff to get legs, complicating things and before you know it its wormed its way into the MA rules somhow, like they always seem to POP up.  

Personally you know my take on MA and the fact where pricing ourselves out of the sport.  Scene here is dead this year, most guys would rather save the $1,000 in MA fees, track fees, transponders, entry fees etc etc and just go for a ride, you can ride all day on nice farm and country with your mates, but when you add what it costs to race from a little metal gate and you get all of 36 laps a day i can see where there are coming from.  

I pulled out of road when it cost $10 a lap and thats from when you just divided into the entry fee not the other costs, the Dirt track series here is now $70 for 16 laps in 1 class at $4 a lap ( for 30 seconds) its not quite there but when you tip in all the other costs there is a break point.  And its not too far away.

This will be the last year of the classic DT series here as most guys pulled out this year after some peanut decided that All bikes not just the rider had to have a hired transponder on it, essentially adding another $20 to your second bike, so many just brought out a 250cc ( killing the allpowers class), just riding one class the $ numbers just didnt stack up and they have pulled the pin.   Previous rounds we had 10 ridders a class, this weekend im the only one entered.   The same happend with the classic mx, however it is hanging on by one thread, a once a year event title - but unless you already have a senior license why would you pay out MA just to ride the one event.

MY gut feel is unless we can set up a demo or rally class to half the costs to ride/race around you wont see any pre 85 bikes ridden in SA in the next year, 2 years tops, the moderns are running with stuff all as well, and the Pee wee kids who we have heaps off are ending as, many dont want to go up to 85's they just want to ride, but the rules say at 10 yrs old regardless of skill level you cant ride ya pee wee on the track anymore.  

I think we will see a big shift to "just riding events" and go head to head with MA as to why we need to pay there fees for social events, im guessing the same issues are seen in NSW going by the whats going wrong thread.  This year our committe voted and we change 2 rounds to come and try days and closed to club fun days, we had 100 riders, compare that with 90 on a good race day, less volunteers required, no permits, transponders, comp head F#@KS, i think its the way to go and if im on the committe next year again ill be pushing for more rides and less racing, if the numbers come back then we can fire it up again.

How does this all relate to some simple springs ? well its just one more reason for the numbers needed to not come out and play, you can have a handfull of hard core racers spruking the vertues of rule interpretations, but you need more than a handful to put a race on, trust me we are at that paradigm shift here right now.   YOU just need to Keep it as simple as possible so after you have sorted out all the other shit in your life, you can just put your bike in the car, fill up with juice and go for a ride, not troll pages of forums to see if you even going to get on the track, thats not cricket.

ID hate to see this all end up as a 2 state, aussie title held between Vic and Qld, maybe even turning into a state of origin.  Ok WA im not forgetting you but you run a core group.

# note this is just my opinion  :P
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #373 on: June 26, 2009, 01:36:51 pm »
you just made the point exsactly walter, you, john Boag etc may if interested only ride 1 race event all year.  and Nothing local.    BE a long way to drive to find your sping just didnt cut it. ;)
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Re: Eligilibty scrutineer at the Nationals
« Reply #374 on: June 26, 2009, 01:53:19 pm »
Well no chance now, its interstate or nothing from here on in.
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