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Re: Global warming - I don't get it?
« Reply #75 on: February 21, 2016, 01:20:49 pm »
Can someone tell me where the reference point is that they measure the rising sea levels against ?
Just wondering. ;)
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Re: Global warming - I don't get it?
« Reply #76 on: February 21, 2016, 01:45:11 pm »

Australians have been improvising (inventing) since the start of  whenever, We have to because its a damn hot dry and big land and thats not going to change in the next squillion years. Continental drift and atmospheric temperatures as well as sea levels have historic evidence that they all have been up and down and thats just the way it is for various reasons. i guess dont buy waterfront property if your afraid of sea levels rising.

Is it not merely a case of how you perceive the issue?

Opportunities arise only for those who have their eyes open to them.

Improvise overcome succeed.

Its a bit hot today.
Ooh look a nice cold beer.
That feels better.

Its a bit chilly today
ooh look a bottle of single malt.
That feels better.

And  what was that so called problem again?

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Re: Global warming - I don't get it?
« Reply #77 on: February 21, 2016, 02:27:52 pm »
Australians have been improvising (inventing) since the start of  whenever, We have to because its a damn hot dry and big land and thats not going to change in the next squillion years.

A squillion years, with all due respect, that is blatant denial or pure ignorance Pokey.
It was only twenty thousand years ago that an Ice Age culled nearly all of us.
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Re: Global warming - I don't get it?
« Reply #78 on: February 21, 2016, 02:34:37 pm »
Can someone tell me where the reference point is that they measure the rising sea levels against ?
Just wondering. ;)

I think it is more prudent to choose when as a datum.

If measuring the height of something, the Datum reference is its lowest known point, is it not?
Unless of course a known average, "mean line", "ground level" or "Horizon" is chosen as a point of reference.

So the last known low. Which would be the last known major "Ice Age", 20,000 years ago. The sea level and shore line "then" would be our datum reference point, which is known as the Australian Continental Shelf


My thoughts .... Its just a cycle we are going thru and mother nature will tell us when she has had enough. ie raise the temp or lower  few notches as she has done before to tell us who is boss.
We are only visitors here for a short time and as Bigk has mentioned enjoy every day as tomorrow might never come.

I tend to agree.
The Earth has a very long history of freezing and thawing. I believe repetitive ice ages are/is the earth's cooling and culling and extinction mechanism. A natural cycle, which may or may not vary in its time phasing due to human influences?

Obviously we are somewhere in the warming thaw cycle. Maybe we are helping it? Maybe we are not?
But one thing that is known, is that The Cold Southern Current that revolves the Antarctic drives all atmospheric climate in the northern hemisphere, 100% fact.
It snows over the Antarctic. Ice sheets are formed, which move toward the sea. That sea front melt feeds the temperature of the southern current which revolves around the Antarctic, simply fact.
The lucky layout of Earth's land masses and the dissimilar temperate of the much colder southern current to the oceans above it, is what drives the patterns of currents of oceans above it, and then again those oceans in turn do similar to the seas north of them to create all atmospheric climate in the northern Hemisphere. That is a shortened version, but it is a matter of evidence and fact, more to the point none of the Scientific community disagrees. The most important factor that produces that outcome is indeed the near freezing temperature of the Southern Current, simply fact.   

The line of temperature that the defines the northern boundary of the southern current, has just receded by 300 miles. Now that is what I would consider to be the most alarming data to date. Now I have no idea when all the Antarctic ice will be gone. Are we accelerating that process to an irreversible tipping point? Maybe, but I do not know. And that is the 64 million dollar question that is being argued about.
 
But when/if the cold of the Southern current stops, then the onset of the next ice age will be same as the ones before it. A super storm will start in the northern hemisphere and basically it will just keep going. When it happens? and it will happen again one day, as sure as night follows day. In the scale of time, it will be an "overnight event". Everything there will freeze. Ice sheets will once again form and spread across the northern hemisphere. Those ice sheets will be made from the precipitating H2o that was once ocean water. Hence the lowering level of unfrozen shore lines in the southern hemisphere.
When it happens? There will be a massive overnight cull of the human race. Life in the northern hemisphere and the Woolie Mammoth will become extinct ::)  well that's what happened. And it will happen again, except for the bit about the Wollie Mammoth becoming extinct again ::) ::) ;D
 
The oldest living culture on Earth, the Australian Aboriginals who have been in Australia for the 40,000 years or longer, survived. Only 20,000 years ago.

I am honestly not worried about it.
Hey Sera sera.

What will happen next?
Right now?
What I should of been doing instead of bothering with this.
Play with my KDX, and then a cold beer :)
and get ready for tomorrows efforts :)

 
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Re: Global warming - I don't get it?
« Reply #79 on: February 21, 2016, 04:09:00 pm »
What I find ironic is that they just found a Wollie Mammoth perfectly intact in the northern thaw. It even has  blood as liquid as it thaws.
They are just about to clone it from the blood, True

Common sense would dictate to move it to Australia to ensure its survival this time.
But whenever the time of the next Ice Age comes? do you think it will be safe? given that it probably tastes heaps better than yams ;D ???
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« Reply #80 on: February 21, 2016, 05:01:01 pm »
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The only Humans to survive the last one are the oldest living culture on Earth, the Australian Aboriginals who have been in Australia for the 40,000 years or longer.

So this means that every one of us is directly descended from the Australian Aborigine? That is going to cause some controversy.

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Re: Global warming - I don't get it?
« Reply #81 on: February 21, 2016, 05:26:04 pm »
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The only Humans to survive the last one are the oldest living culture on Earth, the Australian Aboriginals who have been in Australia for the 40,000 years or longer.

So this means that every one of us is directly descended from the Australian Aborigine? That is going to cause some controversy.

Obviously not ;D that one slipped through some how ::) ;D
Good pick up Fred :)

Obviously I am not one to let the truth stand in the way of a good story ;D

They did survive though and are the oldest surviving culture on earth too.
And a culture of only 40,000 years or so.
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Re: Global warming - I don't get it?
« Reply #82 on: February 21, 2016, 05:28:01 pm »
Can someone tell me where the reference point is that they measure the rising sea levels against ?
Just wondering. ;)

Simple question surely someone knows where the reference point is.
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Re: Global warming - I don't get it?
« Reply #83 on: February 21, 2016, 05:41:55 pm »
Can someone tell me where the reference point is that they measure the rising sea levels against ?
Just wondering. ;)

Simple question surely someone knows where the reference point is.
I reckon the shape of the earth (and the height of the water) is measured using satellites, physics and mathematics
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Re: Global warming - I don't get it?
« Reply #84 on: February 21, 2016, 05:47:26 pm »
Can someone tell me where the reference point is that they measure the rising sea levels against ?
Just wondering. ;)

Simple question surely someone knows where the reference point is.

From what I have read?
The datum of a tidal station is set by its known lowest astronomical modern tide history in that area, at the time of build(a relatively short lived period of time).
Tidal levels then reported as varying levels above that datum of that particular measuring station.
And those datums vary all over the world. You asked about "Sea Levels" but.

I think the life of a tidal recording station should be considered as a completely different period of time, than a period of earth's changing sea levels that occur during a earths cooling and heating cycle. Perhaps, anyhow. Definitely my feeling.
The cycles, I have mentioned are huge in time span and accompanied by a huge fluctuation in known sea levels.
Can someone tell me where the reference point is that they measure the rising sea levels against ?
Just wondering. ;)

So when talking "sea level"
I think the known lowest sea level(ice age) is a prudent datum to measure from.
Anything else does not reflect the span of a full cycle of rise and fall.

Tidal measurements are different.

I can say though as a complete matter of fact that the Sea Level in our region has risen 120 meters in the last 20,000 years.
And I can say it is on the rise by over 3mm a year at this present time in our region.
And I can say New York is reporting nearly 4mm a year.





 
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Re: Global warming - I don't get it?
« Reply #85 on: February 21, 2016, 05:59:24 pm »
Can someone tell me where the reference point is that they measure the rising sea levels against ?
Just wondering. ;)

Simple question surely someone knows where the reference point is.
I reckon the shape of the earth (and the height of the water) is measured using satellites, physics and mathematics

It is said that during the Ice age, the weight of the ice sheets deformed the earth's crust considerably.
It is also said that it is the forces in the Earths fluid mantle that are responsible for very slowly changing back the shape of the crust since the Glacial period finished. The crust is still measurably rising in many areas on earth every year. 
Take many other things for example like plate shift which results in a measurable difference in movements and heights along fault lines, sure. Not something that I understand much about. But yes there are also measured rises and falls because of plates grinding against each other and a "returning to shape" crust. Two different things which sometimes share the same "localised" fluid mantle force.

A massive contrast in the climate of an Ice Age and a thawed out period. And the massive differences in known sea levels associated with those measurable events.
And after re reading my posts, I think it is more than fair to say that has been the content of my posts this afternoon. And it is fact that there have been many Ice ages on this planet, and many thaws.

What I have aired is the fact of a known earthly cycle that has gone on long before our "spec of dust in time" generation and a cycle that will more than likely march on and on, and be repeated over and over again.
Perhaps our life time is probably not the best way to measure things, but yet it seems that some changes are indeed measurable during our very short lifes.
Anyhow, go nuts boys, I am out of here.
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« Reply #86 on: February 21, 2016, 07:26:05 pm »
I dig this forum for many reasons, but I feel as though I have just wasted an afternoon of my life that I will never recapture :'(
What a foolish waste i now feel.
I hope that I can grow to be smart enough to learn from that and never do it again, what a waste :'(
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« Reply #87 on: February 21, 2016, 07:33:59 pm »
Burying the head in the sand is what got us to this point. Saying it's all perfectly OK that dirt poor people can get "culled" in a natural disaster is disgraceful.

And exactly what point are we at now? Have you noticed more of your neighbours dropping dead from changes to the climate? Have they not been able to work because of weather changes? 

If i had built a new house a few years ago i'd be more concerned with the extra 9% i had to pay because of this scaremongering associated with this global warming BS
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« Reply #88 on: February 21, 2016, 07:56:00 pm »
Whats the matter Mick ? I thought this was a thread worth watching . Good to see what others think , sometimes I think most have their heads berried in the sand . Keep up the good work . I rather see this type of discussion , then the lux value of NOS PE rear lights to replicas  , thats for sure .

I hope you have plenty of everything Walter :)
Cause if it were to happen sooner than latter?
I think many of us might be heading to your jiont ;D
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« Reply #89 on: February 21, 2016, 08:31:01 pm »
Burying the head in the sand is what got us to this point. Saying it's all perfectly OK that dirt poor people can get "culled" in a natural disaster is disgraceful.

And exactly what point are we at now? Have you noticed more of your neighbours dropping dead from changes to the climate? Have they not been able to work because of weather changes? 
I got a neighbour that looks like he might drop dead if it gets any hotter!

And it was that hot the other day, that I had to stay at the pub after I had lunch there.
Then I was that hung over the next day that I couldn't work then either. Thats how hot it was ;D

Sometimes I can hardly wait for the next ice age ;D
Those dopey yanks ill learn, all this time building bomb shelters,
when they should have been building Igloos ;D
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