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Re: Rossi has gone insane.
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2015, 03:50:19 pm »
KTM47, I agree with all of the above points except number 2. Moto GP are too softcocked and scared of upsetting the number 46 brigade to pass on a fitting penalty which should have been no points for the race and start from back next race.
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Re: Rossi has gone insane.
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2015, 01:04:57 pm »
I think there is enough doubt as to weather or not the kick was deliberate or just a reflect to say the penalty is sufficient.  That is my view.

Wouldn't it be great if MM just happened to qualify last, and then followed Rossi all the way (not challenging) and then passed him on the last lap.
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Re: Rossi has gone insane.
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2015, 08:17:53 pm »
There you go, the biggest loon of all time is on Rossi's side.  The conspiracy theory must be true.

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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2015, 08:26:41 pm »
I watched the race like most of you but my take on it is a bit different. Marquez got shitty when Rossi caught and then passed him. The old master giving him a spray on the Thursday only made Marquez's reaction all the more reckless. To my eye Marquez was riding dangerously leading up to the incident . I've never seen Marquez so ragged . He had nothing to lose and the red mist blinded him to the obvious ie, Rossi was going quicker. It was always going to end in tears but Rossi beat him to the punch. I think Marquez had it coming and I'm not a Rossi fan. :)

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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2015, 09:01:34 pm »
what a load that is - regardless of what he had coming that certainly wasn't it!!!
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Re: Rossi has gone insane.
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2015, 09:43:16 pm »
I was at the track and saw it first hand.
Rossi ran him wide on purpose no doubt.
He did not kick out but his leg lifted when Marquez turned into him.
Marquez was cutting him up and slowing there pace , Rossi got the shits when he knew they could not catch back up the the lead group.
Who is in the wrong?
Both IMO, Marquez was not racing just being a dick and behaving badly. He is paid by Honda to win races not to settle grudges on the track.
Rossi was showing signs of stress no doubt and was probably taking shots at Marquez in the press conference to motivate himself. Marquez should have shrugged it off and gone out and raced for second ( Ped was going to win regardless) and not done exactly what Rossi accused him of. 
Sad day for racing really we are the losers for what might have the been the tittle of the decade for either rider all we will remember now is this.
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« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2015, 10:50:36 pm »
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Sad day for racing really we are the losers for what might have the been the tittle of the decade for either rider all we will remember now is this.

Not only did Pedrosa qualify and race brilliantly, he is the only one of the fast guys not coming across as a whiny premadonna right now.

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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2015, 02:18:55 am »
That's just crazy after Rossi vented in a big way at a previous press conference.

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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2015, 08:10:05 am »
I watched the race like most of you but my take on it is a bit different. Marquez got shitty when Rossi caught and then passed him. The old master giving him a spray on the Thursday only made Marquez's reaction all the more reckless. To my eye Marquez was riding dangerously leading up to the incident . I've never seen Marquez so ragged . He had nothing to lose and the red mist blinded him to the obvious ie, Rossi was going quicker. It was always going to end in tears but Rossi beat him to the punch. I think Marquez had it coming and I'm not a Rossi fan. :)

So Rossi didn't loose his cool and make the bone head move? Marquez did exactly what Rossi has done many times difference is Rossi can't handle it. Rossi spent more time looking behind him and wagging his finger at Marquez instead of putting his head down and going for it. Whether or not Marquez "had it coming" Rossi (and the yellow fools) can't expect to do stupid  shit and get away with it. It was not a racing incident, it was a premeditated and deliberate move to run a competitor off the track that caused them to crash. Rossi started the silly stuff on thursday, Rossi should and could have just as easy settled for 4th, instead of having a brain explosion. However after Aragon then Phillip Island he realised he was going to have to beat Lorenzo in Sepang and Valencia and knew he couldn't do that.
As usual Kroppers and Mat Oxley introduce some facts into a insane argument

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/10/27/2015_sepang_motogp_round_up_heroes_who_h.html

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/the-sepang-incident/

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Re: Rossi has gone insane.
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2015, 09:42:18 am »
Well spotted Loz, as bike journos they are both capable of giving a balanced view to what began as an emotive discussion and soon escalated into an ugly slanging match worldwide.
I can't help feeling that the genesis of this incident should have been nipped in the bud years before by a senior race official (or against a pit garage wall by an aggrieved competitor) when Marquez was allowed carte blanche on his way up the ranks of the support categories to ride with excessive vigour, contact and disregard for fellow riders. He should have been straightened out years ago : had this happened, the Sepang dust-up need never have occurred.
However he is guilty of no more here than engaging in a spirited scrap, the lack of which is bemoaned race after race by myopic fringe dwellers who claim GP racing is "boring". Without dwelling on the causes and shortcomings of that viewpoint, racing is racing. And, as others including Rossi and Lorenzo have demonstrated plenty of times without sanction, rubbing is racing. Those who have quickly jumped on the bandwagon that Marquez was "holding Rossi up" are overlooking the fact that their lap times blew out by no more than a second a lap compared to Pedrosa, whizzing away unimpeded at the front, pretty reasonable considering the amount of passing and repassing going on.
I doubt Rossi's kick was intentional, and I think Marquez could have neutralised the clash by braking short, turning inside Rossi and squirting away....but his incredulity at what was unfolding, being brake-tested, eyeballed and ridden to the outside kerb DURING A GP initiated  a couple of irrational moves, including trying to finally turn in and overbalancing onto Rossi, causing the fall. Both have some degree of blame, but race direction's view that Rossi instigated a crash can't be denied. What I dislike is that the penalties applied should be relevant to that race alone, and it smacks of the shortcomings of the farcical F1 administration that the grid penalty should be applied to the next meeting. Ridiculous.
Finally with Rossi threatening to boycott the race at Valencia, that won't be happening for all sorts of commercial reasons. It's certainly the first time I can recall a competitor going into a final round of a world championship with a 7 point LEAD and offering to not ride. Lots can happen : Lorenzo could crash in practice and be injured, the bike could go pop, Rossi could get his finger out, get a good start and be in the top 10 by the end of lap 1, it could rain, all sorts of possibilities exist. And it wouldn't be outside the scope of the Rossi fantasy story his yellow-clad rabid supporters feed off for him to get up behind Lorenzo and win the damn title anyway. Certainly got to give it a red-hot crack.
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Re: Rossi has gone insane.
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2015, 11:19:49 am »
I guess we now know why those "robot" F1 drivers are on such a short choker lead, no PR flunky is game to let them off.
What is funny about all the 'smoking gun' helicopter and onboard videos is they same video is used as evidence for and and against, a classic case of conformation bias.
The stories floating round now are getting to the downright ridiculous the best one being a Spanish Conspiracy for a Spanish world champion ;D Well we have had 2012 Lorenzo, Marquez and Marquez again and I'm certain Dorna would sell a wharehouse full of VR46 10th world championship dvds and trinkets over Lorenzo's 4th(a sad but true aside they are still flogging SuperSic merchandise).
Only 2 people now what really happened and no doubts they will go to their grave sticking to their respective stories.
Methinks Jarvis and Nakamoto-san will be waving a big stick at their respective charges and Mike Webb(one of the good blokes) and Uncle Carmelo will be reading the riot act and threatening to tear anyone a new one if they play silly buggars at Valencia.
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Re: Rossi has gone insane.
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2015, 02:02:21 pm »
Guys I may need some help to clarify the sepang incident.
I thought it was a deliberate block gone bad? You know, like you see on super/motocross.
When a block pass happens in supercross they run them wide into the berm so much, the rider behind has to virtually come to a stop, or either lean onto the lead rider risking a crash, or go off track over the berm also risking a crash?
Certainly not the usual thing to be seen in flowing road racing, not great racing spirit either, but still legal? No?
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Re: Rossi has gone insane.
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2015, 03:41:19 pm »
Guys I may need some help to clarify the sepang incident.
I thought it was a deliberate block gone bad? You know, like you see on super/motocross.
When a block pass happens in supercross they run them wide into the berm so much, the rider behind has to virtually come to a stop, or either lean onto the lead rider risking a crash, or go off track over the berm also risking a crash?
Certainly not the usual thing to be seen in flowing road racing, not great racing spirit either, but still legal? No?

No it was not like a supercross/motocross move.  Rossi angled towards the outside of the corner, braking more than needed and looked back twice so he could stay right beside MM.  He was deliberately pushing him off the track and keeping him on the outside.  MM accerated slightly to try and go around Rossi and this is when he brushed Rossi's knee.  The kick out may have been a reflect action, but regardless of that MM would not have been in that situation if not for Rossi's actions. 

I also believe that while Mike Webb thinks MM actions also weren't fare they weren't against any rules and lets face it they couldn't give MM a penalty (as well).  Just imagine them both starting from the back of the grid.

Rossi can still win the Championship.  The back half of the field will just let him through.  Lorenzo will have to beat Pedrosa and Marquez to win the Championship.  Rossi has nothing to lose (so no pressure).  All the pressure is now on Lorenzo.

Unfortunately even if Lorzeno wins the Championship he won't get the credit he deserves.
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