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Re: MA Bonanza to compete with VMX Classic Dirt
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2008, 12:58:50 pm »
Paul,
The MA event is listed for Easter 2009 - 11-12 April. That is the same weekend as the Barry Sheene Memorial [and the same weekend it has been on for 5 years] and I believe that the 2009 Vintage MX Titles were also originally penciled in for that same weekend.

Classic Dirt 6 hasn't been announced yet, but it was supposed to be in late April as well [as the promoters were trying to make it a regular yearly date to make it easier for the punters to schedule].

I may just have to invest in a TARDIS or a WayBack machine if I want to attend all of the events.
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Re: MA Bonanza to compete with VMX Classic Dirt
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2008, 01:37:25 pm »
 I KNOW THAT CD6 HASNT BEEN ANOUNCED BUT DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF ITS NOW OR LATER(TO ANNOUNCE IT ) SO AT LEAST THE (LOYAL) PEOPLE CAN PLAN FOR THE ONE THE WANT TO ATTEND

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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2008, 01:41:51 pm »
Hi Oldschool,
I agree that everybody just wants to ride their bikes and stay as far away from politics as possible.

But, and it is a big but, the MA event is trampling over the very people that have a history promoting the very events that let you ride your bikes. They have done the hardwork, taken the risks putting on events and enabling them to grow into something that is truely worth attending.

As I have already said, the MA event is a very welcome addition, but their choice of dates [and their ability to deny other events with historical precedence access to those dates] is very agressive. If they genuinely wanted an ADDITIONAL EVENT on the calendar then why, oh why, displace existing events to suit themselves. Imagine if you were the promoters of any of the affected events - you would be really happy with our governing body. Wouldn't you?

Otherwise I agree with your sentiments.

As for CD1,2,3,4 + 5. It would be great to find the perfect venue, at the perfect price, in the perfect location [wth no threat of closure] with perfect weather. If you know where it is, please let the crew from VMX know, I am sure they would appreciate it otherwise I trust that all the promoters do the best they can with what is available [both venue and weather].

I've been to all 5 CDs too, and none of them were perfect. Barrabool was good, the track was great, but the social functions left a lot to be desired. One of the best changes to CD has been the availablity of onsite camping - unfortunately this also reduces the number of available venues on which to hold the event. FYI: no camping at Barrabool.

If MA would change the date of their event, all the problems would disappear instantly. And instead of people jumping on this forum and feeling upset we would be eagerly anticipating another worthy event on the Vintage calendar. The ball is in their court [but I wouldn't hold my breath]!!!

Vintage/Retro motorcycles is a very small pond, it would make much more sense to all work together! Wouldn't it?
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Re: MA Bonanza to compete with VMX Classic Dirt
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2008, 04:27:18 pm »
cd6 tickets should go on sale now at a dicounted rate /get in early

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Re: MA Bonanza to compete with VMX Classic Dirt
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2008, 06:12:54 pm »
Passionate and loyal lot, aren't we?

Wonder if we'd be so loyal to YSS or GMC if they were faced with similar market-place competition? (That's not a rhetorical question, BTW!).
I mean, if someone else told us that they were going to produce HL500 frame kits and/or good quality, low price shock absorbers, would we bitch and moan about it?
Or would we wait until we saw how the product and price compared to our established providers before grizzling?

I skirted around it in my previous post, but there are only a few possible broad scenarios:
1. The Bonanza will be a better thing (for us old dirt bikers) than CD.
2. The Bonanza will be a weak shadow of CD.
3. They are both good events that 'everyone' wants to go to.

As part of the target market, none of those outcomes are bad for me, as a customer.

I'm not wishing for it to be so (and seriously doubt that it will happen), but imagine if the Bonanza was so good, it made CD look lame.
Sure, we've all got loyalty to the original Classic Dirt and the guys that put it on, but that shouldn't allow us to get emotive and irrational about being offered an alternative.
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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2008, 06:18:06 pm »
Hello again guys.

Ah, sorry Paul, we won't be having a pre-entry system for CD6, unlike the necessity to pre-enter for HBBB.  ::)  Indeed, you might like to question why HBBB is pre-entry only...does that mean that things like Dirt Track will be canned if they don't get sufficient numbers?  :o  One thing is for certain, MA are taking on a big logistical problem in offering all the disciplines.  They will have to have people like flag marshalls and first aid crews growing on trees to manage what they are attempting to do!  They have one major advantage over us though - they don't have to pay the track hire at Broadford.  ;)

Oldschool, while we appreciate that it's a tough call not to have dirt track at CD5 the reality is that the numbers that actually turn op don't go anywhere near the amount required to justify the cost.  At CD4, where there was a very vocal demand on this forum for us to run the dirt track prior to the event (and we ran it as a result of the requests), we had a total of 12 people register to ride the Dirt Track (and this was prior to the weather becoming a problem), and it cost us nearly $1000.00 to have the venue available for the Dirt Trackers.  Needless to say, they didn't pay $84 each to ride...  so hopefully you can see why Dirt Track is not going to be a regular inclusion at Classic Dirt, unless the cost of running it is negligable (not likely).  The reality is that talk is cheap, and when the money is on  the line, the numbers that register are pitifully small.  Maybe if the dirt trackers are prepared to pay more, we could review our stance on this.

Also, we hear the people who continue to tell us that the tracks are not pre-65 friendly.  In an ideal world, we will have a pre-65 friendly track AND a evo friendly track.  But as everyone seems to have noticed, such a venue hasn't been found yet.  Also, please remember that pre-65s are now turning up in smaller and smaller numbers, and often they are brought to show anyway, not to be ridden.  But of course, that is great anyway!

Guys PLEASE do not continue to make comments on how CD should return to Barrabool.  Until Barrabool's future is cast in concrete and camping is allowed, we cannot go there, no matter how much we may or may not want to!

To be honest, our utopian ideal for Classic Dirt would be this:

Natural Grass Tracks
Camping on site
Located in tourist area (for more accomodation for the non-campers)
Near a major city
All amenities on site.
Cheap food and drinks on site.
Good weather

So far we haven't found utopia.  But you can be rest assured, we're working on it  ;)
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Re: MA Bonanza to compete with VMX Classic Dirt
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2008, 06:34:06 pm »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D  YSS

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Re: MA Bonanza to compete with VMX Classic Dirt
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2008, 06:35:41 pm »
was that a yss or yes
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Re: MA Bonanza to compete with VMX Classic Dirt
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2008, 06:35:48 pm »
Hello again guys.



Also, we hear the people who continue to tell us that the tracks are not pre-65 friendly.  In an ideal world, we will have a pre-65 friendly track AND a evo friendly track.  But as everyone seems to have noticed, such a venue hasn't been found yet.  Also, please remember that pre-65s are now turning up in smaller and smaller numbers, and often they are brought to show anyway, not to be ridden.  But of course, that is great anyway!

Guys PLEASE do not continue to make comments on how CD should return to Barrabool.  Until Barrabool's future is cast in concrete and camping is allowed, we cannot go there, no matter how much we may or may not want to!

To be honest, our utopian ideal for Classic Dirt would be this:

Natural Grass Tracks
Camping on site
Located in tourist area (for more accomodation for the non-campers)
Near a major city
All amenities on site.
Cheap food and drinks on site.
Good weather

So far we haven't found utopia.  But you can be rest assured, we're working on it  ;)



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Re: MA Bonanza to compete with VMX Classic Dirt
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2008, 06:39:24 pm »
Hello again guys.

Ah, sorry Paul, we won't be having a pre-entry system for CD6, unlike the necessity to pre-enter for HBBB.  ::)  Indeed, you might like to question why HBBB is pre-entry only...does that mean that things like Dirt Track will be canned if they don't get sufficient numbers?  :o  One thing is for certain, MA are taking on a big logistical problem in offering all the disciplines.  They will have to have people like flag marshalls and first aid crews growing on trees to manage what they are attempting to do!  They have one major advantage over us though - they don't have to pay the track hire at Broadford.  ;)

Oldschool, while we appreciate that it's a tough call not to have dirt track at CD5 the reality is that the numbers that actually turn op don't go anywhere near the amount required to justify the cost.  At CD4, where there was a very vocal demand on this forum for us to run the dirt track prior to the event (and we ran it as a result of the requests), we had a total of 12 people register to ride the Dirt Track (and this was prior to the weather becoming a problem), and it cost us nearly $1000.00 to have the venue available for the Dirt Trackers.  Needless to say, they didn't pay $84 each to ride...  so hopefully you can see why Dirt Track is not going to be a regular inclusion at Classic Dirt, unless the cost of running it is negligable (not likely).  The reality is that talk is cheap, and when the money is on  the line, the numbers that register are pitifully small.  Maybe if the dirt trackers are prepared to pay more, we could review our stance on this.

Also, we hear the people who continue to tell us that the tracks are not pre-65 friendly.  In an ideal world, we will have a pre-65 friendly track AND a evo friendly track.  But as everyone seems to have noticed, such a venue hasn't been found yet.  Also, please remember that pre-65s are now turning up in smaller and smaller numbers, and often they are brought to show anyway, not to be ridden.  But of course, that is great anyway!

Guys PLEASE do not continue to make comments on how CD should return to Barrabool.  Until Barrabool's future is cast in concrete and camping is allowed, we cannot go there, no matter how much we may or may not want to!

To be honest, our utopian ideal for Classic Dirt would be this:

Natural Grass Tracks
Camping on site
Located in tourist area (for more accomodation for the non-campers)
Near a major city
All amenities on site.
Cheap food and drinks on site.
Good weather

So far we haven't found utopia.  But you can be rest assured, we're working on it  ;)


Onya AJ well be at CD 6 wherever it may Be  :)

For the record i dont want it in new zealand  :o
Because getting theres half the fun  :D

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« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2008, 06:42:47 pm »
YSS, :D. But in this situation, we're the wife, MA is the boss, and Ken/Jeff/AJ are the husband... (Eck!  :o Lucky its just an analogy!).

Individually, we can choose to be loyal, or we can go and sample the other offerings - and unlike a marriage, there should be no problems with polygamy.


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Re: MA Bonanza to compete with VMX Classic Dirt
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2008, 06:45:16 pm »
You just like the rubber glove at customs to much Bill  ;)   ;D
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Re: MA Bonanza to compete with VMX Classic Dirt
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2008, 06:59:03 pm »
walter you can ride under the ross nimmo name hes got a broken leg any way and if you can get that montesa off his to stop and handle he will adopt you for sure

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« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2008, 07:18:08 pm »
Me ??  Just reading all this with tongue in cheek interest.  Only Two questions and they are neither fore or against.  Broadford complex is wholly owned by MAVictoria Not Motorcycling Australia (MA). Two separate entities. Both are here in Victoria I know, but my thinking is does MA still have to pay MAV for the use of the complex, then take it back in meeting permit fees? :D
Does any other state have a suitable Venue for this proposed event ?
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« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2008, 07:24:01 pm »
what to choose ! if the dates were a bit more user friendly then interested parties could enjoy all event