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Do you believe that forum discussion has a negative impact on real world VMX participation ?  

Yes and shouldn't be allowed
8 (10.7%)
Yes but thats what democracy is all about
21 (28%)
No its just forum talk
41 (54.7%)
Other feel free to explain in comments
5 (6.7%)

Total Members Voted: 72

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Offline Mike52

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Re: Forum Scaremongering
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2014, 02:54:52 pm »
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Re: Forum Scaremongering
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2014, 03:02:21 pm »
Nearly all organisations have this. Let's not have a carry on about this.

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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2014, 05:07:30 pm »
You're putting the cart before the horse there. The questions and the uncertainty exist in the real world - the forum is where they are asked, because they have the greatest chance of being answered.

The questions and uncertainty don't exist only because the forum exists. If anything, the forum exists because the questions exist.
So why have I never been confronted with said questions and uncertainty at any Evo races in the past 18yrs?

The race track is for racing. The forum is the place for talking, listening and thinking.


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Re: Forum Scaremongering
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2014, 05:39:44 pm »
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Policies/MA_01_01_Electronic_Communications_and_Social_Media_Policy.pdf
MA now saying what you can and cannot say in public.
Joy.

No there not

If you read the preamble

This policy aims to provide some guiding principles to follow when using Electronic Communications and Social Media.
Relevant to
MA members, staff, officials, clubs, promoters, support people, coaches (see Scope).

Its a guideline for good professional presentation and conduct

All professional organisations have these policies
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Re: Forum Scaremongering
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2014, 08:04:02 am »
Well 24 hrs in and the majority are of the mind that whats said on here is just forum talk and has no negative bearing on real world VMX.
Its only old bike racing FFS get over yourselves





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Re: Forum Scaremongering
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2014, 09:05:46 am »
Mike 52   the funny thing is people keep putting up with MA teeling them what they can and cant say!!
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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2014, 11:01:02 am »
I repeat, virtually all organisations have similar policies to prevent cyber bullying which has become a big problem.
Why continue MA beating over something that is widely accepted as necessary.
Have you ever been restricted in what you say by MA? I f not, what is your problem?

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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2014, 11:23:29 am »
There will always be those who will accept the big brother / big stick mentality and those who will fight it . Col you mention bullying, bullying by individuals I learnt to deal with as most of us did as kids by fighting back ( a trend these days that is apparently discouraged  ::) ).

Bullying and controlling by corporates and organisations directly and via its people through the chain is a little more difficult as you are battling not only the faceless corporate monster but those who choose to give in to its will and be the serfs of that organisation.

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On this forum especially around Anzac day there is as there should be respect shown to those who have fought for our right to free speech , yet some of those same people are very quick to try to censor/ gag anyone who dare speaks out against the machine .

2  of those have that would stifle free speech have shown their hand ( albeit anonymously ) in the poll, thankfully they are still a minority . 
« Last Edit: July 12, 2014, 02:36:21 pm by William Doe »
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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2014, 11:46:32 am »
Give me strength. Bill, you are not governed by, or having your free speech affected by MA in any way.
We have not asked you to fight for our civil rights. These arguments go from the ridiculous to the sublime. I'm out.

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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2014, 12:24:42 pm »
Col i only asked for a copy of the MA policy witch someone else kindly put up for all to read . I have not made mention of it since , You were very quick to point out that it is a std document for most organisations , fair enough .

I was speaking generally about the corporate monster that trys to govern 99% of what individuals do today and of those who choose to yeild to it and those who choose to resist it.

Obviously MA have no control whatsoever about what i say or do in my motorcycling or any other factor of my life nor does MNZ as i choose not to subscribe to their organisations.

Sorry but im not sure who the WE is in your post and regardless i was not offering to fight for anyone elses rights civil or otherwise.

I was mearly expressing an opinion on a privatley owned public forum , as the majority in my poll have shown mine and anyone elses opinions on here have no detremental affect on real world VMX .

« Last Edit: July 12, 2014, 12:26:36 pm by William Doe »
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Re: Forum Scaremongering
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2014, 01:34:08 pm »
Instead of " no its forum talk" . I think it should be "no its just hot air " . Ive watched these over the years ,  they are the same players on different themes . Some I agree with others I don't . Some of the themes piss me off but I know the posters and even though I disagree with what they have posted Im not going to wreck a friendship over something I class as trivial . Im not subservient but why get into a word bun fight over a few key strokes , Its like politics either you are or are not . I think Firko will forgive me for this  ;D Mark and I share a passion for the early Yamahas but our political views are at  the opposite ends so why even try , mark has his views and I have mine yet on bike related matters we share a passion . Iain
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Re: Forum Scaremongering
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2014, 03:18:30 pm »
This is all too hard, I'm out.

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Re: Forum Scaremongering
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2014, 05:56:38 pm »
After reading some of what has been written in posts related to this one ( can't be bothered reading them all), I find it hasn't changed my interest in riding vintage events at all.

My interest in the forum, well that's another matter
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Re: Forum Scaremongering
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2014, 06:09:48 pm »
To many Grumpy old men on the forum BJ ,   :o
« Last Edit: July 12, 2014, 06:12:09 pm by mick25 »

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Re: Forum Scaremongering
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2014, 10:11:23 am »
When people seek to stifle a discussion, its usually because the discussion isn't going the way they like.

The good thing about telling the truth is that you don't have to remember what you said.