Author Topic: Triumph powered what???  (Read 64797 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline jimg1au

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 3489
    • View Profile
Re: Triumph powered what???
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2013, 07:00:48 am »

Offline bazza

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 2353
    • View Profile
Re: Triumph powered what???
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2013, 07:42:03 am »
Brad may be bring in vintage pit bike racing so you can race at lunch time    lol
Once you go black  you will never go back - allblacks
Maico - B44 -1976 CR250- 66 Mustang YZF450,RM250
Embrace patina


Offline FourstrokeForever

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 1702
  • AKA Mark H #35 VCM
    • View Profile
Re: Triumph powered what???
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2013, 07:49:28 am »
TM Bill, I've got some photo's but I haven't got a photobucket account to upload them here. I should pull my finger out and get my pics onto a host  ::)
Arrogance.....A way of life for the those that having nothing further to learn.

Offline firko

  • Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 6578
    • View Profile
Re: Triumph powered what???
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2013, 12:06:03 pm »
Brad....the big decision for you is not so much what you're putting the Trumpy in but which Triumph motor to use. The way I see it it's down to three distinctly different Trumpy motors, the pre unit 500, unit 500 and unit 650. I'd cancel out the pre unit engine (like the one VMX60 posted that's on eBay) for the need to find and adapt through plates a BSA or Norton gearbox. The end result is a rather large lump that needs a big engine cradle. The pre unit is also a 60 year old motor with 60 year old engineering that's just plain not as good as the unit engines in my opinion.
The 500 T100 unit motor is a good choice because its so comparatively small and adaptable as shown by the previous posts......it fits in a lot of places. The third choice is the 650 T120 unit construction engine which is decidedly larger than the 500 but the tradeoff is that its the horsepower king. In pre 65 it's arguably one of the best choices....most definitely the best twin cylinder engine. The American flat track guys have squeezed up to 75 bhp out of the 650/750 but for motocross stock is more than adequate.

If you've watched Vernon Grayson on his little Cheney 500 Triumph you'll know that the unit motor revs like all buggery and has rather 'modern' power characteristics and sound. For pre 65 you can use Cheney, Metisse, Mojo or even a B40 frame to make a TriBSA....the choices are infinite. The big 650 has the same Cheney/Rickman choices but you'll need a Goldy/A50/A65 BSA frame to make a TriBSA. In the end the engine choice is down to the light weight and revs of the 500 or the grunt and potential horsepower of the 650. I've got both engines in the shed and I'm still tossing around ideas as to what to do with them. Plan A is to fit the 500sc unit 500 in my Beeza C15 roller for a different than the norm pre 60 TriBSA but after I came back from the Nats for fun I stuck it into the Petite Metisse frame I'd intended to fit my oval Maico engine into for pre 65 and it looked pretty much at home so I'm a tad undecided now :-\. The 650 engine is destined for a chro-mo BSA replica frame I bought off eBay about 10 years ago that is now legal for pre 65. However, I'm soon to receive an Australian complianced Bonneville roller from a mate who's using its engine in a C&J so I might build it into a street tracker. The third choice is to fit it into my Trackmaster flat track frame for some flat track action but now that I've got the OW72, the third option is getting slimmer. I only mention my dilemma to show what choices owning a Triumph can evoke. 
'68 Yamaha DT1 enduro, '69 Yamaha 'DT1 from Hell' '69 DT1'Dunger from Hell, '69 Cheney Yamaha 360, 70 Maico 350 (2 off), '68 Hindall Ducati 250, Hindall RT2MX, Hindall YZ250a , Cycle Factory RT2MX flat tracker, Yamaha 1T250J, Maico 250 trials, '71, Boyd and Stellings TM400, Shell OW72,750 Yamaha

Offline pancho

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 2375
    • View Profile
Re: Triumph powered what???
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2013, 12:57:06 pm »
 Mark you left out the early duplex beeza frames in your list of possibles i.e. B33, Gold flash, etc. (probably a BIT heavy).
 With 650 Triumphs vs. 500 engines I recall that our T100 - B33 duplex frame  combo handled far superior to a Bonneville - duplex combo in the '68 Nepean 6hr. the dramatic power difference even being ridden by top line riders of the day couldn't compensate for the brute force combined with the weight.
 
 The T100 duplex was such a pleasure to ride.
 cheers pancho.
dont follow me i'm probably off line!

Offline firko

  • Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 6578
    • View Profile
Re: Triumph powered what???
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2013, 01:29:15 pm »
Quote
Mark you left out the early duplex beeza frames in your list of possibles i.e. B33, Gold flash, etc. (probably a BIT heavy).
Quote
Goldy/A50/A65 BSA frame to make a TriBSA
Right Wally, I did leave a few duplex frames off the list...those early frames are more suited to the pre unit Triumph although they can be used for the unit. The later frames from the unit Beeza twin engines are lighter and better suited to the unit Trumpy. You're right, the Beeza duplex does handle better than a Trumpy and they're lighter. The Metisse and Cheney are pretty close to BSA duplex geometry...only much lighter ;D.
'68 Yamaha DT1 enduro, '69 Yamaha 'DT1 from Hell' '69 DT1'Dunger from Hell, '69 Cheney Yamaha 360, 70 Maico 350 (2 off), '68 Hindall Ducati 250, Hindall RT2MX, Hindall YZ250a , Cycle Factory RT2MX flat tracker, Yamaha 1T250J, Maico 250 trials, '71, Boyd and Stellings TM400, Shell OW72,750 Yamaha

Offline 09.0

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 1244
    • View Profile

Offline firko

  • Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 6578
    • View Profile
Re: Triumph powered what???
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2013, 03:37:08 pm »
Quote
I actually have one lined up already. What should I be paying for a complete basket case unit 500
Complete bike? $1000-$1500 but like all basket cases you can luck out and get one for $100....it's all down to how big a basket case it is. I paid $200 for my first unit 500 and spent over 2K on it, 10 years later I paid $500 for a similar engine from the same Fresno California seller but it's as fresh as a daisy and only needs gaskets and a clean up.
'68 Yamaha DT1 enduro, '69 Yamaha 'DT1 from Hell' '69 DT1'Dunger from Hell, '69 Cheney Yamaha 360, 70 Maico 350 (2 off), '68 Hindall Ducati 250, Hindall RT2MX, Hindall YZ250a , Cycle Factory RT2MX flat tracker, Yamaha 1T250J, Maico 250 trials, '71, Boyd and Stellings TM400, Shell OW72,750 Yamaha

Offline jimg1au

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 3489
    • View Profile
Re: Triumph powered what???
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2013, 04:21:57 pm »
i have a 650 bsa a65 pre65 project i am wanting to sell
jim

Offline firko

  • Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 6578
    • View Profile
Re: Triumph powered what???
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2013, 04:38:57 pm »
PM me or ring me later with your price on the Beeza stuff Jimmy. I'm at the hospital right now.
'68 Yamaha DT1 enduro, '69 Yamaha 'DT1 from Hell' '69 DT1'Dunger from Hell, '69 Cheney Yamaha 360, 70 Maico 350 (2 off), '68 Hindall Ducati 250, Hindall RT2MX, Hindall YZ250a , Cycle Factory RT2MX flat tracker, Yamaha 1T250J, Maico 250 trials, '71, Boyd and Stellings TM400, Shell OW72,750 Yamaha

Offline 09.0

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 1244
    • View Profile
Re: Triumph powered what???
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2013, 10:11:59 pm »
Just a motor in bits for $800.

Offline jimg1au

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 3489
    • View Profile
Re: Triumph powered what???
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2013, 10:17:05 pm »
my pre65 race bike cost me 6500.00 landed its way too fast for me and riding it is like its on rails.hot triumph builds can be costly.wonder what its going to be like when its jetted properly
jim

Offline FourstrokeForever

  • Legend
  • *****
  • Posts: 1702
  • AKA Mark H #35 VCM
    • View Profile
Re: Triumph powered what???
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2013, 09:22:47 am »
$800 seems like a reasonable price Brad if it is complete. A unit Trumpy motor is getting hard to find these days. If you need parts or want to try another source, try Bills Bits and Bikes in Birdwood SA. Last time I was there ( where I got my B44) he had a heap of T100 parts that he tried to sell me. There were heaps of parts (bottom ends, clutches, barrels, heads etc.) that he was going to sell me for $3k. I don't know if he still has the parts or not, but could be worth a try.
Arrogance.....A way of life for the those that having nothing further to learn.

Offline firko

  • Superstar
  • ******
  • Posts: 6578
    • View Profile
Re: Triumph powered what???
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2013, 09:37:33 am »
$800 is a reasonable price for a T100 unit motor. I was lucky enough to come accidentally across a shed full of Triumph engines and parts behind Sumner Motorcycles old shop in Fresno back in 1996 where I got my worn out motor and a spare head for $200. When I was looking for another one back in 2006 I rang Wayne Sumner and found that he's sold all of the stash except for the one engine he's put aside for a B44GP Tribsa but had decided not to build the bike. It was fully rebuilt but never used and sat on a shelf for 10 years. I got it for $500. The best place I've found for parts is British Spares in NZ http://www.britishspares.com/ . USA eBay is pretty good too. Talk to Vern Grayson about tips and the name of the bloke who built his 500. I've ridden his bike and it's a rocket.
'68 Yamaha DT1 enduro, '69 Yamaha 'DT1 from Hell' '69 DT1'Dunger from Hell, '69 Cheney Yamaha 360, 70 Maico 350 (2 off), '68 Hindall Ducati 250, Hindall RT2MX, Hindall YZ250a , Cycle Factory RT2MX flat tracker, Yamaha 1T250J, Maico 250 trials, '71, Boyd and Stellings TM400, Shell OW72,750 Yamaha