Suzuki Classic Dirt 10

[AjayVMX]

Another way It could be looked at is that the event has always been a promotion primarily for VMX magazine, bearing in mind how profitable the event has been in recent years based on record breaking attendances, you have to wonder why the event should be cancelled at such late notice specially when there were overseas visitors committed to attending, the carry over profits from the previous few years in particular you think should have been able to off set a year that was not as profitable and certainly would have been valuable goodwill to the VMX community and all that had committed themselves and there money to go this year as John O said this event should not have been cancelled, to run it would have been giving back to the market place that the business of the magazine thrives off ? this will impact future CD's so the downward spiral could begin until it is a memory,just sayin

#8

Number 8, you truly have a chip on your shoulder don't you? 

Here is the reality.

No Classic Dirt has been nearly as profitable as you seem to think and continue to post on OzVMX.  There is a perception that you continue to try to perpetuate is that we are fat cats ripping off the Classic Dirt punters.  Nothing could be further from the truth in fact.  Carry over profits?  Don't make me laugh.  Yes, we made small GROSS profits on the last few CDs, but when the time and effort that is expended in organising them is taken into account, I doubt our hourly rate would be any better than 16 year olds working at McDonalds. 

The reality also is that running VMX magazine is not in any way lucrative and what small profits we have made in the past years have effectively subsidised the VMX Magazine business.  If you are offended that we are trying to make a living, good luck to you.  Just bear in mind that no other Vintage Dirt Bike magazine which isn't part of a big publishing group has survived in the last 3 years... then you may realise where we are coming from.

You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down.  It's people like you who are killing this sport. 

No "Chip", No "perpetuating" or insinuating that you are "ripping off the Classic Dirt punters", No I'm not offended that you and your partners are making a living, The work expended is like all businesses and part of the big picture, the "goodwill from that event helps you sell your product through out the year I would imagine, and it has worked very well for you and the VMX community, The impact of cancelling will be determined by your paying customers in the future, No being "negative "you are completely on the wrong track there that wont fly, and No I don't think I am single handily "killing" this sport or the VMX scene, what could be interpreted here is your support has a price ,I may be wrong?

#8

I am happy to stand by my post.  You have repeated insinuated or stated that you think CD has been very profitable, and yet you have no basis for your assertions.  As I stated, CD has made some money, but in fact the last 2 years were the least of all.

And I didn't say you were single handedly killing the sport, merely that you are one of those who is not helping.

As I said before, your perceptions about the viability of the magazine business are fanciful as best.

[Graeme M]

Please let's keep this thread on track or we risk it going so far off course that it'll be closed. I think discussing what might have affected things this year and how to improve the situation next time is all well and good, but making accusations about motives and so on is unhelpful. The organisers have a business to run and their decisions are their decisions.

Let's keep it constructive.

[Rookie#1]

When we only had " no disc , no watercooling , no linkage " people in VMX , there no discussions like this . 

Yeah, keeping the status quo seems to be working great in all areas of vmx doesn't it 

[albrid-3]

Dave one event sponsored by Suzuki /1 event sponsored by honda......see any problem there?

Has any of you ever been to the Air show at Avalon Victoria , their are more than 100 business promoting the Airshow, and its so successful.
I am sure Honda and Suzuki would not care if there was more than one company promoting the week end, its in there best interest and its also in there best interest to have vmx magazine on board to addvertise there name in the lead up to the event.

[Mick D]

Who wouldn't be shattered.

I long ago bribed my out of town brother to take over my duties with mum for TWO WEEKS.
 To be a holiday that I need. She is a great old chook, but I am burning out.

I really feel for would be patrons that have shuffled their lives and committed so much more than me to attend
My entry fee is so miniscule in comparison to their losses and I am happy to for-go my entry fees.
Maybe the organisers could perhaps put it aside with any others to help promote next years event?
         I do not agree with everything that has happened.
              My personal opinion is different to that of the organisers, but it is their cat and thier hard work.

      I am so glad that some one had the balls and commitment to restart Ray Ryan's magazine vision.
  And I thank the publishers for delivering a Magazine that still meets the high quality that Ray once did.
        I know for a fact that I couldn't do it, even if my life depended on it.

             For better or for worse, only one VMX family.
                Long live old bikes doing it in dirt.   

                     CD 2014
                "To be bigger than the state of Texas"

 

[AjayVMX]

Dave one event sponsored by Suzuki /1 event sponsored by honda......see any problem there?

Has any of you ever been to the Air show at Avalon Victoria , their are more than 100 business promoting the Airshow, and its so successful.
I am sure Honda and Suzuki would not care if there was more than one company promoting the week end, its in there best interest and its also in there best interest to have vmx magazine on board to addvertise there name in the lead up to the event.

Last time.  Not going to happen.   

[nada]

Errrrrrrrrrr my head hurts, I think I  might retire from politics now!  :'( :'(

Between the elections and VMX, my head is exploding! :'( :'(

All the best lads, I do hope it's all sorted for next year

Lots of love
Me

[Tim754]

Ajay ,Ken and the rest of the VMX Mag Time to get back to producing your top quality world leading magazine. Later on time to ponder the CD situation. Cheers tim

[bazza]

, I am not taking the piss out of anyone, I think both parties do need to sit down and discuss these issues, if something is done, vmx will die

dave do you mean if nothing is done?

Think there has been down turn since not on long weekend

[albrid-3]

Errrrrrrrrrr my head hurts, I think I  might retire from politics now!  :'( :'(

Between the elections and VMX, my head is exploding! :'( :'(

All the best lads, I do hope it's all sorted for next year

Lots of love
Me

My head hurts too, goodbye, to the blind leading the blind.

[worms]

as a small sponsor of CD over the past few years, "and I mean small", also a business owner, I have nothing but respect for anyone, who's able to stand up and say, we just cant make it happen on current forecast of riders. Tough call I say. No solution required, lets try for next year.

and anybody who's not happy with that, I sell concrete, so you can have a free sample to harden the F--K-up.


Cheers Worms

[number8]

Another way It could be looked at is that the event has always been a promotion primarily for VMX magazine, bearing in mind how profitable the event has been in recent years based on record breaking attendances, you have to wonder why the event should be cancelled at such late notice specially when there were overseas visitors committed to attending, the carry over profits from the previous few years in particular you think should have been able to off set a year that was not as profitable and certainly would have been valuable goodwill to the VMX community and all that had committed themselves and there money to go this year as John O said this event should not have been cancelled, to run it would have been giving back to the market place that the business of the magazine thrives off ? this will impact future CD's so the downward spiral could begin until it is a memory,just sayin

#8

Number 8, you truly have a chip on your shoulder don't you? 

Here is the reality.

No Classic Dirt has been nearly as profitable as you seem to think and continue to post on OzVMX.  There is a perception that you continue to try to perpetuate is that we are fat cats ripping off the Classic Dirt punters.  Nothing could be further from the truth in fact.  Carry over profits?  Don't make me laugh.  Yes, we made small GROSS profits on the last few CDs, but when the time and effort that is expended in organising them is taken into account, I doubt our hourly rate would be any better than 16 year olds working at McDonalds. 

The reality also is that running VMX magazine is not in any way lucrative and what small profits we have made in the past years have effectively subsidised the VMX Magazine business.  If you are offended that we are trying to make a living, good luck to you.  Just bear in mind that no other Vintage Dirt Bike magazine which isn't part of a big publishing group has survived in the last 3 years... then you may realise where we are coming from.

You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down.  It's people like you who are killing this sport. 

No "Chip", No "perpetuating" or insinuating that you are "ripping off the Classic Dirt punters", No I'm not offended that you and your partners are making a living, The work expended is like all businesses and part of the big picture, the "goodwill from that event helps you sell your product through out the year I would imagine, and it has worked very well for you and the VMX community, The impact of cancelling will be determined by your paying customers in the future, No being "negative "you are completely on the wrong track there that wont fly, and No I don't think I am single handily "killing" this sport or the VMX scene, what could be interpreted here is your support has a price ,I may be wrong?

#8

I am happy to stand by my post.  You have repeated insinuated or stated that you think CD has been very profitable, and yet you have no basis for your assertions.  As I stated, CD has made some money, but in fact the last 2 years were the least of all.

And I didn't say you were single handedly killing the sport, merely that you are one of those who is not helping.

As I said before, your perceptions about the viability of the magazine business are fanciful as best.

The words you are putting in this thread appear to be contradictory and designed to justify a bad decision for the supporters of CD, you attacking me further supports that, my thread ended with a "just sayin", You claim that the event has not been "that" profitable but the reason it is being cancelled this year is it wont be "profitable" as you are aware I do have a bit of insight it to what has been generated income wise in the past in particularly from the Conondale CD's so Yes there is a basis to the assertion,

What you have written is "You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down" & "It's people like you who are killing this sport", an outrageous statement like that can only be attributed to your lack of knowledge/history and your sensitivity and the dilemma that the CD patrons have been left in by cancelling the event,

Furthermore attacking me on the perceptions about the viability of the magazine business, does not change anything I have no "fanciful" perceptions at all of your business,

The real point hear is that there are lot of VMX people that committed to this event financially, they have been effected by this 11th hour decision,

What would have been really impressive and shown a level of goodwill towards CD patrons that could not be doubted is that the numbers are down but the show will go on, and make that show fit a revised budget especially when your so late in announcing the cancelation,

I truly hope that the event is not irreparably damaged due to this cancellation.

#8

[firko]

anybody who's not happy with that, I sell concrete, so you can have a free sample to harden the F--K-up

Says it all really  You're so wise Wormy ..... .

[John Orchard]

I go away to the docs for a couple of hours and this thread goes-off  LOL

Dare I bring up my suggestion of Winton (Vic) Raceway and AASA again, although I don't see a 'private promoter' getting out of it any easier but Winton MX Club could, Winton has a perfect venue, AASA has the cheap insurance cover, northern Victoria weather aint always bad.

I feel in the interest & future of the sport these type of events should be 'up to 2000' models.  There are many enthusiast in the later year categories that deserve to join us.

I'm not interested in events in Qld, vmx riders have many great days-out up there, you don't need a Classic Dirt or Bonanza, every event you guys run up there seems virtually as good already.

It makes sense to run something in NSW, Vic has the Bonanza, another event down here may detract from it.  But I'd be happier going to an event that is just MX up to 2000, yes I still like checking-out the other deciplines at the Bonanza but I think it getting too big & disorganized.

Maybe a couple of tracks could be marked-out at Wakefield Park with AASA insurance?  If anyone wants me to make inquiries I'm happy to.

[AjayVMX]

Another way It could be looked at is that the event has always been a promotion primarily for VMX magazine, bearing in mind how profitable the event has been in recent years based on record breaking attendances, you have to wonder why the event should be cancelled at such late notice specially when there were overseas visitors committed to attending, the carry over profits from the previous few years in particular you think should have been able to off set a year that was not as profitable and certainly would have been valuable goodwill to the VMX community and all that had committed themselves and there money to go this year as John O said this event should not have been cancelled, to run it would have been giving back to the market place that the business of the magazine thrives off ? this will impact future CD's so the downward spiral could begin until it is a memory,just sayin

#8

Number 8, you truly have a chip on your shoulder don't you? 

Here is the reality.

No Classic Dirt has been nearly as profitable as you seem to think and continue to post on OzVMX.  There is a perception that you continue to try to perpetuate is that we are fat cats ripping off the Classic Dirt punters.  Nothing could be further from the truth in fact.  Carry over profits?  Don't make me laugh.  Yes, we made small GROSS profits on the last few CDs, but when the time and effort that is expended in organising them is taken into account, I doubt our hourly rate would be any better than 16 year olds working at McDonalds. 

The reality also is that running VMX magazine is not in any way lucrative and what small profits we have made in the past years have effectively subsidised the VMX Magazine business.  If you are offended that we are trying to make a living, good luck to you.  Just bear in mind that no other Vintage Dirt Bike magazine which isn't part of a big publishing group has survived in the last 3 years... then you may realise where we are coming from.

You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down.  It's people like you who are killing this sport. 

No "Chip", No "perpetuating" or insinuating that you are "ripping off the Classic Dirt punters", No I'm not offended that you and your partners are making a living, The work expended is like all businesses and part of the big picture, the "goodwill from that event helps you sell your product through out the year I would imagine, and it has worked very well for you and the VMX community, The impact of cancelling will be determined by your paying customers in the future, No being "negative "you are completely on the wrong track there that wont fly, and No I don't think I am single handily "killing" this sport or the VMX scene, what could be interpreted here is your support has a price ,I may be wrong?

#8

I am happy to stand by my post.  You have repeated insinuated or stated that you think CD has been very profitable, and yet you have no basis for your assertions.  As I stated, CD has made some money, but in fact the last 2 years were the least of all.

And I didn't say you were single handedly killing the sport, merely that you are one of those who is not helping.

As I said before, your perceptions about the viability of the magazine business are fanciful as best.

The words you are putting in this thread appear to be contradictory and designed to justify a bad decision for the supporters of CD, you attacking me further supports that, my thread ended with a "just sayin", You claim that the event has not been "that" profitable but the reason it is being cancelled this year is it wont be "profitable" as you are aware I do have a bit of insight it to what has been generated income wise in the past in particularly from the Conondale CD's so Yes there is a basis to the assertion,

What you have written is "You really need to try and be a little more positive, not continually try to shoot anyone who is supporting the VMX scene down" & "It's people like you who are killing this sport", an outrageous statement like that can only be attributed to your lack of knowledge/history and your sensitivity and the dilemma that the CD patrons have been left in by cancelling the event,

Furthermore attacking me on the perceptions about the viability of the magazine business, does not change anything I have no "fanciful" perceptions at all of your business,

The real point hear is that there are lot of VMX people that committed to this event financially, they have been effected by this 11th hour decision,

What would have been really impressive and shown a level of goodwill towards CD patrons that could not be doubted is that the numbers are down but the show will go on, and make that show fit a revised budget especially when your so late in announcing the cancelation,

I truly hope that the event is not irreparably damaged due to this cancellation.

#8

Mate, you had insight into the income of one of the Conondale events, but that insight does not take into account all costs incurred by a long shot.  Your repeatedly implied view that we made huge profits at Conondale is just plain BS and VERY offensive.  Sure, I wish we HAD made the sort of money that people in QLD were claiming that we made, sadly it was just heresay.

And of course, you have no idea whatsoever what it costs to run the event at Wallerawang.  So you have no idea whether we can or cant afford to run it now.

Our decision to cancel was not taken lightly, as we had stated and we also have incurred losses already related to CD10.  It a bad deal for sure, but you piping in claiming that we have some magic pudding to finance a loss making event just demonstrates how selfish you are.