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Re: 2013 Post Classic MX Championships
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2012, 10:42:16 am »
Hey guys Dates!!

Trying to get an idea of events that may affect this event. Easter and June Long weekend are out.

Are school holidays out?

April 6/7 - only 1 week after HBBB
April 13/14,  20/21 & 27/28 - NSW school holidays
May 4/5 ?
May 11/12 - Mother's Day shouldn't but does affect things
May 18/19?
May 25/26?

The idea of a true MX event worthy of National Title status is the objective regarding format. These ERA of bike are entirely capable of handling this challenge along with the riders.

It is intended to offer the classes listed in the MOMS
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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2012, 11:26:37 am »
all national title races should be 3 x 15 minute plus 1 lap races, regardless of any other issue or club, MA should set a stanard for their National titles instead of allowing clubs to do what they like. hang on, i think Ive said that for the last 5 years, it will bring out the best of the best.

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I can't see any point in anything less than that to decide an Australian Title. May as well make it another Show 'n Shine otherwise..... ::)

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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2012, 11:51:47 am »
I can't see any point in anything less than that to decide an Australian Title. May as well make it another Show 'n Shine otherwise..... ::)

OR another HBBC for that matter......

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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2012, 11:57:33 am »
I reckon April or May are ideal. Easter has HBBB, September and October has a cluster of CD10 maybe, the Classic Motocross titles and the Classic/PostClassic Nats. These meetings need to be spread throughout the year to lessen the financial (and leave pass) load on competitors.

And old Wormy and Ross are right, 3x15+1 is a legitimate race length for the Nats with one proviso that if age groups are used, the duration should be reduced to 10 minutes for over the 50 age group. I'm not sure if the 3x15+1 format is right for the Classic Nats older bikes and riders but wouldn't break down crying if it was used :D.
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Re: 2013 Post Classic MX Championships
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Re: 2013 Post Classic MX Championships
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2012, 07:42:39 pm »
Hey guys Dates!!

Trying to get an idea of events that may affect this event. Easter and June Long weekend are out.

Are school holidays out?

April 6/7 - only 1 week after HBBB
April 13/14,  20/21 & 27/28 - NSW school holidays
May 4/5 ?
May 11/12 - Mother's Day shouldn't but does affect things
May 18/19?
May 25/26?

The idea of a true MX event worthy of National Title status is the objective regarding format. These ERA of bike are entirely capable of handling this challenge along with the riders.

It is intended to offer the classes listed in the MOMS

May 18/19. If people are going to go away over the June long weekend it would be good to have the couple of weekends break before they go away again.
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Re: 2013 Post Classic MX Championships
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2012, 08:54:53 pm »
it wouldnt matter what date u want , ma give u date

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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2012, 11:04:33 pm »
it wouldnt matter what date u want , ma give u date
That is not entirely true Eric the application allows for the applicant to propose or request dates but it is true that the final decision rests with MA.

It looks like late April or early May could be ideal?

4/5 May
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Re: 2013 Post Classic MX Championships
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2012, 06:36:12 am »
Greg 4/5 May gets my vote it would be great if we could get the ball rolling early to help with getting club calendars sorted as soon as possible.

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Re: 2013 Post Classic MX Championships
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2012, 10:02:33 pm »
3 x15 min motos  sounds good but l would rather see 5 10 min races and drop your worst result that way you could come from far away and have a miss hap in one race  be it mechanical  or a crash and still be in with a shot.  Just my opinion.....
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« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2012, 12:16:52 am »
3 x15 min motos  sounds good but l would rather see 5 10 min races and drop your worst result that way you could come from far away and have a miss hap in one race  be it mechanical  or a crash and still be in with a shot.  Just my opinion.....
5 x 10min +1 would not be possible as we would basically run out of time.

3 x 15 +1 works out at around 1 hr total per class by the time the last rider leaves the track and next race starts basically you need 20min for each race.  15min + some time for the leader to complete that lap + around 2min for the last lap + around 2min for the last rider to clear the track. That is 3hours of track time per ERA (125, 250 & 500) plus sidecars (total 10hrs) and then age races (using 2 x 15 +1 that would be 12 EVO age classes @ 40min = 8hrs). That totals 18hrs; we have 16 hrs of track time over the weekend so we are relying on 6 combined races to trim the total. Don’t even mention 4 strokes, rotaries or gas turbine classes  ::) ;D.

5 x 10min + 1 would be about 1.25hrs (15min per race) per class (total of 12.5hrs) and we could not fit them in the schedule. With so many extra starts there is also a much greater chance of race restarts.

I know that sounds like a cop out but I've been looking at total time verses track curfews and even 3 x 15min + 1 is tight and age races would probably have to be either reduced to 3 X 10 + 1 or preferably 2 x 15 + 1 just to give have some scope of getting through the program.

I do see the reasoning behind your suggestion; I’m just not sure there is an easy solution. If all riders drop a result it can just as easily work against you as for you.

I don’t personally feel that dropping a round is fair to all the riders that front up and perform in all the motos it just helps the guys who have a problem. Is that good? Well that depends on how you personally are impacted I suppose.

Jezuz this response got longer than I hoped ::)
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Re: 2013 Post Classic MX Championships
« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2012, 06:30:14 am »
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I don’t personally feel that dropping a round is fair to all the riders that front up and perform in all the motos it just helps the guys who have a problem. Is that good? Well that depends on how you personally are impacted I suppose.
I think you are right with that one. You don't want to make winning too easy. Or should we just give everyone a participation trophy and have a group hug at the end. That would be beautiful...
And with all of your workings of time on the track and all that, all you need is one big accident and it all goes out the window.

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Re: 2013 Post Classic MX Championships
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2012, 08:29:26 pm »
Guys, I can't bite my tongue any longer. I agree, 5 x 10 minute races would be a fun format in a hybrid format, but that isn't true MOTOCROSS as it was back in the day. It is one thing to run shorter races on club days to try to accommodate the guys who are just there for the occasional blast, although I think if those guys gave it a try they might even like the longer races better, more time on the track, time to settle in and find their groove, less pressure on getting that amazing start, but I digress.

This is a National Titles we are discussing here and isn't VMX supposed to be the Vintage version of the racing we raced back in the 70s and 80s? If there was ever and event that should be kept as close as possible in format to the good ole days, I would have thought, this is it.

In my view 3 x 15 minutes +1 is the absolute minimum length the races should be run for all ages in The Australian National Post Classic MOTOCROSS Championships. If us over 50s get tired, we can slow down.
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Re: 2013 Post Classic MX Championships
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2012, 09:09:43 pm »
event that should be kept as close as possible in format to the good ole days, I would have thought, this is it.

Living in the past,i too get caught on this (the good ole days the riders where mostly 16-20 yeras old)  ;)  ;D
 
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Re: 2013 Post Classic MX Championships
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2012, 10:10:57 pm »
Surely, we need to look at what we are trying to do here.
As mentioned, we need to give everyone a good weekend of racing, however many will be riding 2 or 3 classes so that needs to be taken into account.
Some guys will set themselves to just have a crack at their 'pet' event, so they too will want good value if they travel from far and wide.
We will be riding some pretty old stock so endurance races are not what we want, but then a well prepared bike should be set-up for this event.
So, all in all, it's not that far from the old days when we traveled to the far ends of a great big land to do battle against guys we had never heard of and expected to have a 'race' or two and we got prepared for that, we prep-ed our bikes and bodies for what-ever was to come, even if it meant staying off the grog a bit.
I would expect at least a good session of practice so as to get the set-up about right. I might like to qualify to get a good gate spot-no lucky dips- and I would expect at least two good races (20 mins + a lap, min) in which to prove that all of the above is not luck. That is, I am prepared, my bike is prepared and I can make my way forward after a bad start and I can set-up some passing moves or pick a spot to get by the 'hole-shot
 dudes that know that short races on old bikes is what suits them.