Pre 78 Rule changes

[firko]

as for Glens bike, perfectly legal.

Probably, maybe ) I didn't comment at the time because I'm not so up on pre 85 bikes but to me it didn't look right. Why does the owner of the bike always push the legality on his stuff by putting ugly out of era shit on it like wave discs and those sorta legal USD forks*? He's been doing it since the early 90's, in fact he was the bloke that Johnny O mentioned earlier that got pinged with dodgy forks on his CR125 at the '94 Cherabah Nats.

* Not wanting to raise the legality or ilegality of USD WP forks which was argued out quite strongly on here a while ago.

[worms]

it was a bike prepared for Glen, and its not worth the debate.

I catch more fish of Straddie and I wont be going back to cairns as its overated, hot and bloody humid, even in winter, it might as well be in Victoria

and no Davey, there will be no fish, just worms, at the Classic and cant believe I'm not in the pro class

Cheers Worms

[firko]

it was a bike prepared for Glen,and its not worth the debate.

Just because the bike was prepped for Glen Bell doesn't make it exempt from the rules everyone else had to abide by. That bike was over the top, like all of Geoff Holmes bikes.

[worms]

your absolutely right Firko, but nobody protested the bike, it was passed and raced, thats my point.

cheers worms,

[huskibul]

  There's some excellent guide's around cairns ,sounds like you didnt get one ! july  "can be" a tough month even with a fairdinkum guide with water temps  at there lowest of the year (< 24 deg)  there's alway next trip worms 

[Simo63]

your absolutely right Firko, but nobody protested the bike, it was passed and raced, thats my point.

cheers worms,

Is this opening another can of worms .. worms  ??

[worms]

no! thats it for me Simo, there's enough worms in this topic to take us right thru to the next Nationals, where there will be tears again.

so long and thanks for all the fish


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[huskibul]

   Yeah good luck with that 

[Davey Crocket]

Do you want me to put you in the Pro class Trev?.

[Shaun G]

There endeth the purple flag debate.
Hope that ankles going okay Shaun.

Thanks Steve. Did it no favours by standing on the hill all day Sunday. But wouldn't have missed it for quids. What an awesome days racing. Just needed a few more sliders eh 

How did your leg pull up?

Cheers
Shaun

[worms]

no Davey, far out, I'm last on most race days

cheers worms

[FourstrokeForever]

Was the bike Belly rode really illegal though? Upside down WP forks were available in '84...

I'm not so sure that even WP had upside down forks in 1984. I don't recall the KTM's of the era having USD's and WP is KTM's fork as we all know.

The Honda Factory bikes didn't get upside down forks until 1987 so therefore Bells ride was illegal. And yes, the irony of it all is that Glen could win on a postie bike. Rules are rules. One in, all in. Regardless of whom you are or what you achieved in the past. I'm not labeling Glen as knowing his ride was illegal either.

Maybe the scrutineers will have an easier time of determining eligibility of a bike now that the Pre78 split has been proven a success. When all is said and done, it's a big ask of a scrutineer to be expected to know all the workings of all generations of bikes from the 60's to the 90's. Perhaps MA should look at providing a scrutineer for each era of bike at National level events to take some of the pressure off of the scrutineers?



 

[Nathan S]

Bell's CR500 at the '09 Nationals had Simons USDs. There was some idle speculation that they were not a pre-85 model of Simons USDs, but I have NFI about them.

WP 4054s first came out as a production part in 1983, FWIW. Bahnzy started a thread on the legality of the various models of 4054s a while back. I _think_ the conclusion was that all pre-89 versions were close enough for pre-85, but the likely issue was the brake mounting point (disc vs drum).

[JohnnyO]

Both Simons and WP had upside down forks available to the public in 1984, just because the factory Hondas weren't running them til later doesn't mean anything.
Brad Lackey won the 82 world title with Simons upside down forks.

[GMC]

The wave disc seemed all wrong but it seems to be about as illegal as fat bars.
If I had my way i would ban both.

The forks, while rareish were around in the day.