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Offline JAP 454

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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2011, 08:35:50 pm »

Here here !!! Long live the vegie patch,rain water tank and a good rifle  ;D
cheers A

You're on our page , A , wood stove, big vegie patch, fruit trees, rain-water tanks , solar power in me shed , two feral pigs and five feral goats cut up and in the freezer in the shed, EA is as good a shot as me , fish from the River 50 meters away, rabbits from paddock as we want them, heaps of birds visit our garden , Wedgies soaring around the mountain across river, grouse river gorge type country for E and I to roam in , a few bikes to play with, go to a few Dirt Track meetings a year , doesn't get much better !!
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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2011, 08:46:41 pm »
I reckon we should all go on a pilgrimage to Foss's Nirvana, the spiritual leader of classic dirt trackers.
But that would ruin it for them, I'm jealous.

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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2011, 08:49:17 pm »
Anytime ya wanna come, Slides, anytime
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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2011, 08:54:27 pm »
Its all good for us  ;D,,,,but its not making the silver city polliess any money buy growing our own.  :P
If they can make laws and tax's on such as mentioned above why cant they inforce people to have rain water tanks and some sort of greenery in the back yard...
money money money.  ::)
Actually Im glad this topic is not about the live export trade and the governemnt trading there  or ............. :-X
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« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2011, 09:13:19 pm »
I read recently that when the "wall" collapsed all the Gucci socialists moved, en masse, to the greenie movement. The just found another cause with which they could attempt to control us.

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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2011, 09:16:39 pm »
Someone has to say it so it may as well be me. ;D

Any greenie worth his/her salt would/should suicide to save the planet.
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« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2011, 09:18:00 pm »
Any greenie worth his/her salt would/should suicide to save the planet.

If you eat this chicken I shan't kill that chicken?

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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2011, 09:22:51 pm »
Any greenie worth his/her salt would/should suicide to save the planet.

If you eat this chicken I shan't kill that chicken?
More like .
Don,t tell me how to do something , show me!
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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2011, 09:28:37 pm »
Any greenie worth his/her salt would/should suicide to save the planet.

If you eat this chicken I shan't kill that chicken?
More like .
Don,t tell me how to do something , show me!

Nah it's a philosophical argument. AliG used it in one of his shows.

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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2011, 09:29:46 pm »
I am a (not extreme hardcore ) greenie. . I would love to stay here and do a bit more for the planet , if I may  

And there I was thinking you were just another Wally.
Well said.

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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2011, 09:37:36 pm »
Unfortunately the problem is not co2 , the problem is people , all 7 billion of us and the answer is not a new tax but an old virus.
A good dose of the flu would give the planet a breather. ;D
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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2011, 09:38:21 pm »
So far I'm not feelin the love for the carbon tax...

I'm off to watch Q&A, Penny Wong is on so for sure they'll talk about it!

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« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2011, 09:39:00 pm »
Unfortunately the problem is not co2 , the problem is people , all 7 billion of us and the answer is not a new tax but an old virus.
A good dose of the flu would give the planet a breather. ;D

Yup. And the way Africa is going they're gonna do all of us a favour.

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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2011, 10:23:23 pm »
I'm sure that most of us would like to do something to make this earth a better place but it's all so very bloody confusing it's hard to know who to believe.

Usually you can believe the scientists but the question at the moment is,  are they just in it for the money, the funding and the research projects?  You will recall that they have been caught out a few times in recent years fudging figures and pushing things their way.

Usually you can believe the economists because they are just trying to "do the numbers", but over the last few years we have seen some shocking financial crashes and stupid management of national finances and all along the way the economists were there providing guidance and advice,  so I wonder if they can be believed on this question when it really is something completely new and especially when their "base numbers" are provided by the scientists.

I just wonder whether or not our little bit would be wasted effort at huge financial cost when you read that the Mount Pinatubo volcanic eruption spewed out as much CO2 as a whole of mankind from Adam and Eve to the present and that no matter what Australia does it certainly is not going to make any noticeable difference without the rest of the world and particularly the Chinese and the US doing their bit.

And finally, I did lose a bit of interest when Prof Flannery (the de facto government spokesman on climate change) said that no matter what we do it could take 1000 years to make a difference.

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Re: What is this thing called carbon tax?
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2011, 10:39:44 pm »
EA and I don't call ourselves green , however , we do pick up other peoples rubbish from the beach, ramps and riverside when we are out fishing and from a camping area near us and dispose of it as properly as we can, we recycle metal , waste oil , and any packaging.

We have two things  that must occur when we are hunting, one,  the animal must not know we are there , we cam up and move slowly in the bush, and, two, it must die instantly, ie a brain shot, if those things are not possible we don't take the shot, 95% of our shots are at targets at known ranges, to make very sure the weapons are very accurate, I also reload and have worked up some accurate loads for all of our centerfires.
We make use of all meat  animals we shoot, ie, goats and pigs, but feral cats and foxes are destroyed humanely as a matter of course.

We have watched, for an hour or so, a mob of goats feeding and just taken photos, we also have approached roos to almost within touching distance, sat and watched a mob of deer and seen their antics.

Had a bird land on me once when we were cammed up and sitting out for a pig, frightened three bells out of me

I find it puzzling that environmentalists call us, to our face and to our daughters face,  " Gun happy rednecks ", " violent and bloodthirsty killers ", when those same people applaud loudly when feral animals are condemned to hideous deaths from poisoning and trapping and have horrific diseases visited upon them in the name of the environment.

Ea and I, mostly EA, have spent over a decade representing recreationalists , fishers, hunters , bike riders , four wheel drivers etc on a couple of Government committees and have seen first hand how the greens representatives work.

I have  stood in front of a Parks dozer when they were trying to block a track to a fishing spot that a couple of our Gubba elders
had put in, on the recomendation of the local conservation and bushwalking group , won that one !!

We, too, are concerned about our wasteful society and agree that anything that can be done to help stop a lot of wasteful use of finite resources has got to be a good thing.

However , the mindless chanting of mantras that come from the Greens is counter productive and divisive , punitive taxing of of anything a government doesn't agree with , ie, smokes, yeah , we both smoke but still walk the hills and we are both over 65, doesn't do a great deal towards stopping people doing it but provides the government with another income stream.

The carbon tax, in my opinion, falls into the income stream category, make 'em feel guilty and they'll pay up !!!

OK , now, a quote from a college lecturer

" Indeed , it pre-supposes that the supreme statesman in democratic government is public opinion.
Many of the shortcomings of democratic government are due to the fact that public opinion is not neccessarily a great statesman at all "
H'mm

I dunno how to finish this ramble , but we try, Ea and I , within our vision and conscience to do what we consider is right.
Foss and EA
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