Check out my new ride. Worth the money????

[firko]

Brad, I hope the seller is reading these comments and will come to the party with some sort of refund.

I'd also hope the seller does read this and realises that even though he may think he's made a killing, his identity will eventually become public knowledge and he'll come out of this looking a bit ugly unless some sort of action is taken to correct the problems.

I've gotta admit though, I would have been impressed enough by the above photo to go ahead and buy it. I guess it comes back to the trust thing I mentioned earlier.

[SAABCOMBI]

Hoony its only a pre70 bike, not eligible for pre 65.

[090]

Brad, I hope the seller is reading these comments and will come to the party with some sort of refund.

I'd also hope the seller does read this and realises that even though he may think he's made a killing, his identity will eventually become public knowledge and he'll come out of this looking a bit ugly unless some sort of action is taken to correct the problems.

I've gotta admit though, I would have been impressed enough by the above photo to go ahead and buy it. I guess it comes back to the trust thing I mentioned earlier.

That is not the bike. It was to show Macca what they look like.
This is the bike.

[Hoony]

Hoony its only a pre70 bike, not eligible for pre 65.

Thanks Dave, i know Brad was looking for a pre 65 bike with lhs shift some time back and as i know very little of CZ models i asked the question.

[090]

yeah i would be disappointed as well, is this a pre 65 eligible bike? and does it have a left hand shift ?

It's a pre 70 mate and yes, all CZ's are left hand gear change. I can't ride the other way.

I did answer your question mate if you missed it.

[090]

Brad, I hope the seller is reading these comments and will come to the party with some sort of refund.
With your contacts in Unzud why didn't you get a secound opinion ........

I know. I had an offer too. Just didn't want to bother others and thought I would sort it myself.

[Davey Crocket]

Hopefully his workshop will cave in with the next aftershock... it takes years to build a good reputation and 5 seconds to loose it.... the VMX world is very small.... I'm sure he's reading this too...come on bro..coff up.

[suzuki43]

Hey Sir Bradalot,
have you had any joy yet from my South Island mate???
Scratch that I have found the sellers side of the story on the livewire forum as copied below:
Brad over to you old mate.
"As most of you are aware there has been some talk in the last week about the problems you can get from buying or in my case selling a 45 year old dirt bike to some who can’t view it,or is overseas.

This is what happened to me when I recently sold a 45 year old un restored CZ to a well known rider in Australia.
The bike was never for sale or advertised as it had been in the family for approx 19 years so there was no intention to sell it (to make a killing as someone said) till I got a phone call from someone in Queensland who had been trying to buy a CZ360 twin pipe.

I was asked to describe the bike which I did buy stating the motor had been gone through by someone (not me) about 6-8 years ago when I got the bike . I said it had been ridden once since then & it was ok to ride for displays or demo laps but if you were going to ride it hard or race it, it will need more work . I then had pulled the bike to bits to paint the frame, tank, guards, rebuild the wheels with new rims & spokes , and got new pipes made . I also told him the seat would need to be done, the handle bars were not original and there were some scratches on the guards & tank from sitting around the garage for 6 years and that the ignition would need to be reinstalled as someone had borrowed it to get another CZ going .

I was asked to take pics so I put the bike together so he could see what was there & what was missing . I explained I was not into CZs & could not guarantee the bike was 100% original so I could take more pics if needed. This was done with whatever nuts & bolts I could find at the time as he was in a hurry for the pics with the understanding he was going to strip it down & go over the bike if he brought it.

I sent pics ,got another phone call & he said he had got on to another CZ in Holland but it was going to be expensive & we agreed on a price of 8K Australian & I was to crate & ship the bike from this side & he would sort out the paper work on his
side

Money was deposited, bike crated and he said he needed it quickly as he was going to England to race and wanted it before he left so I arranged to AIR FREIGHT it to him asap

I sent him emails asking if he had got the bike and was happy with it ,then got a shitty reply telling me I had done everything wrong and HE had not filled out government forms on his side and it was going to take 5 weeks to get approved & they were charging him $50 per day storage . He told me he got a final bill for nearly 2K and that it was a sour deal .(this was before he had even got the bike)
and “required” me to give him $1500 back to make things “right”

He was not happy with the extra charges (as I would not be ) caused buy him not getting his paper correct – not my fault, so since he has got the bike he has stripped it down & gone over it looking for everything possibly wrong . It was made clear to him in our first conversation that it was a 45 year old UN RESTORED dirt bike that I started to tidy up 6-8 years ago & it would need work to finish it off or to make it a race bike.

The price paid for the bike was just over $ 8300 Australian & then I had to but the crate & pay for the airfreight out of that

I have offered to refund him the cost of new rims as I did say that I put new rims on when the wheels were rebuilt 6 years ago. It now appears they were very low hour rims of one of my modern bikes that I had polished .mland
 
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[paul]

mmmmmmmm

[Marc.com]

I reckon it is a fair deal, hell bike is 45 years old, you have to be realistic about what you expect, you get a real peach, or maybe not but finally as the buyer you have top make the call.

I mean it is a CZ, so the motor could have been like that from the factory 

[bazza]

hey brad what part of unzud was it from?

[SAABCOMBI]

 I know a fellow  here in victoria pay $5000 for a complete basket case cz 360 twinport, and that was about 12 years ago or more and it is still a baskets case rotting on his dirt floor in his shed. What are worried about brad just be gratefull that you have the pair, l bought a twinport 250 from new zealand and it was junk paid good money for too, stop whinging and enjoy it.

[Davey Crocket]

Christchurch......he's obviously not religous....and even tells lie's....maybe lightning will strike him down.

[Freakshow]

Selling bikes can be as dangerous as buying them.  I hate selling bikes incase it goes pairshaped, i alwasy sell them as what you see is what you get, and i have no idea whats going on inside.  IF i know more i say so, but take the thats the price you make up your own mind, as i dont have x ray glasses. 

IF i bought a bike i take the stand its up to me to look real close at the pics and ask all the questions, been caught once, cause he didnt know the differance and i didnt ask the question so now i ask and ask. if i miss it its my fault, if the seller isnt a train spotter on that model its my fault if i dont get lotsa pics - if how ever they stick in broken gears, parts or knowingly cover shit up then thats there fault and i get cranky. 

Not knowing the value of these bikes im in no position to say at what point is a fair deal for both parties, there is a line in the $$$$ and then a bit either way as to a fair value.   when it shift too far from that line, i think its a bit of a unfair bang up if the seller profiters or the buyer profiteers.

its a balance thats for sure and needs to be a 2 way street.

[090]

Hi Brad



Here are some pics of the CZ, sorry they are not that good & it is also
covered in dust from sitting in the garage for a few years.
Like I said eairler the wheels have been rebuilt with new alloy rims &
spokes , the motor has been gone through (about 8 years ago) and it has been
ridden once since ,it is ok to ride but if you were going to race it hard it
may need more work .
Tanks & frame have been repainted as have the guards alough they do have
some scratches on them fron being in the garage . It has new pipes on & also
the old ones are there & it looks like the original carb is in the parts box

The bike will need the ignition put back on as it was removed to get another
360 going & then I have never got round to putting it back on the bike
The bike will also need assembleing better as I have only placed alot on
parts on the bike to take the pics

Spare parts include a clutch, crank cases, gear box parts old cables ,ect

To get the bike up & running it will take more time than $$

$ 8000 AU

I can arrange shipping or deliver the bike to anywhere in Christchurch as
long as you pay for the shipping

Cheers Daryl

This is the exact email with all spelling mistakes etc. Copy and paste. No mention of seat, shocks, forks condition or that its a bike that needs restoring.
Again , "To get the bike up & running it will take more time than $$"

"The bike will also need assembleing better as I have only placed alot on
parts on the bike to take the pics"

On the here say front, I initially contacted him by phone and one thing that was said was that the engine was reconditioned. I stated that I will be racing it which then prompted him to say in the email "the motor has been gone through (about 8 years ago) and it has been
ridden once since ,it is ok to ride but if you were going to race it hard it
may need more work ".
This motor is in need of a complete rebuild as my pictures show clearly plus repairs.
Again he has offered me a set of SM pro rims as he stated it had new rims but does not. Big f#$king deal.