Pre 90/Pre 95 in Classic MX. An idea whose time has come?

[Canam370]

I've got an old donger. It needs a bit of maintenance but it's brought me a lot of pleasure over the years.
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Not to worry Firko. Like most things polishing vigorously should return it to its former glory

[LWC82PE]

really believe that this is just a mind set. Go and watch some footage of some mid-nineties bikes being ridden by decent riders through some whoops, off big jumps or around a knarly motocross track. They are quick.

An average guy on a mid nineties bike (set up properly for that rider) will run with a field of other average riders on moderns if he doesn't carry the mind set of "oh this lorry's twenty years old, I don't stand a chance..."

I was more referring to 85-89 models, not mid 90's bikes, but i do agree a bit with what you said. I still feel that 85-89 models are very outdated against the current range of bikes, especially in suspension department and ergonomics. Out of the box the modern bikes are fairly good these days bit to make a pre 90 bike really competitive against a modern bike i reckon you would have to do a lot of mods to it.

[Evil Rudy]

Its like deja vu all over again... RMX sucks as a name, it was a marginal trail / enduro bike and makes an even worse acro for, for, for, um what have we been talking about?

Lets call it Nathan mx.


To add to the grassy knoll theory of the post 84 bikes taking large colour portions of the CD7 story,  let me interject this (if it’s already been brought up please pardon me as I can’t bear to go through the pages to check);

Is it the thin end of the wedge as far as pre 90 making its debut at CD8? Is it worse that the photos were printed in a “V”-mx magazine or that they were allowed to break a sacred rule and participate in the first place (no participation, no possible photos)?

Is it a question of “don’t ask, don’t tell” for this model creep?

Hmmmmmmmmm... intrigued minds want to know.

As for the rest of it... if you want free porn and prawns on Thursdays, throw a coup in your local club and see if anyone shows up. The rest is verbal masturbation.

Wakey wakey, hands off snakey.

Cuddles,
ER

[Nathan S]

I really believe that this is just a mind set. Go and watch some footage of some mid-nineties bikes being ridden by decent riders through some whoops, off big jumps or around a knarly motocross track. They are quick.

I don't understand your point.
That good riders can ride bikes fast?
Seen footage of Robert, deCoster etc hammering across rough-as-guts tracks with 4" of travel? They are quick.
Ditto the good guys of any era, including 1977, 1981 and 1984.

Apart from anything else, nobody who wants pre-90 is asking for SX tracks - a good grasstrack suits old bodies just fine, thanks very much.

While there have been a few 'turning point' improvements in MX bikes over the years (most significantly long travel suspension), the reality is that MX bikes are improved in small steps, every year or two.
There's been 16 years of small steps since the last pre-95 bike was built, and another 12 years of small steps since the last good Evo bike was built.


As I've said before, go and ask Jay Marmont how much you'd need to pay him to ride an 89 or a 94 YZ250 to defend his National title. Tell him that you'll build it to the absolute limit of the rules and you'll make it as competitive as possible, and see how much he drops his asking price by... Tell him that they work great on rough tracks and on big jumps, and see how loudly he laughs at you.

[All Things 414]

a good grasstrack suits old bodies just fine, thanks very much.

I thought as much......


I hardly think anyone in their thirties has got an old body Nathan. Maybe just no ticker....

[All Things 414]

As I've said before, go and ask Jay Marmont how much you'd need to pay him to ride an 89 or a 94 YZ250 to defend his National title. Tell him that you'll build it to the absolute limit of the rules and you'll make it as competitive as possible, and see how much he drops his asking price by... Tell him that they work great on rough tracks and on big jumps, and see how loudly he laughs at you.

I'm not talking about Aussie champs going out and defending their titles on twenty five year old bikes.......
I'm talking about guys that are so wound up about not being able to ride their 500 buck specials that they'll cry foul of the rest of the world.....


Sometimes I wonder if you really know a lot about VMX or this is just where you come when your rally mates are sick of you on their forum.....

[Evil Rudy]

Thats funny... Rudy laugh.

[suzuki43]

Rudy,
Take back that derogatory reference to the mighty Suzuki enduro bike (RMX)!

[Mick22]

Apart from anything else, nobody who wants pre-90 is asking for SX tracks - a good grasstrack suits old bodies just fine, thanks very much.

 Riding Pre 90 MX bikes on grass tracks or paddock tracks would be completely lame and sad to see...that is not what those bikes are about

[Nathan S]

Same goes for Evo and pre-85 bikes.

[Nathan S]

I'm not talking about Aussie champs going out and defending their titles on twenty five year old bikes.......

Well, you were trying to tell us that the old bikes work as well as the new ones... Imagine how happy CDR will be when you tell them that they've been wasting money on new bikes! Hell, I know plenty of club racers who will worship you as a god, when you tell them that a $1500 1995 model bike will do the job just as well as their $11,000 2010 bikes do.

Do you really, honestly think that the bike companies have paid all of those engineers to do nothing, for twenty-two years?

I'm talking about guys that are so wound up about not being able to ride their 500 buck specials that they'll cry foul of the rest of the world.....

What are you on about?

[fsc]

Nathan
You certainly have opened a can of worms, having been a member of Heaven for a number of years and knowing a number of the people that have responsed to your requests for pre90/95, you could do what I plan, as of next year, this will get you a ride on your pre 90 bike and still ride/race with the same club.
As Heaven has meetings that go over 2 days, with the first day generally being practice. Which is a great idea, but with the extra day's riding the wear and tear was starting to show on my bikes. Next year I will take my 1987 CR125 and use it as a practice bike, then on race day, ride my pre 85 bikes. Problem solved.

[firko]

I'd like to apologise for reopening the can of worms . I'm so sorry folks.
Congratulations Nathan, you've taken over from my ex sister in law Cynthia's first husband Charlie as the stubbornest, most single minded person I've ever met. I think it's now your god given duty to become the driving force for RMX. If you lobby ADB they might even give you a column and you can start a whole new ball rolling to convert a new generation of punters for your cause over at Modern Motocross Central. They'll lap it up..you watch.

[GMC]

Apart from anything else, nobody who wants pre-90 is asking for SX tracks - a good grasstrack suits old bodies just fine, thanks very much.

 Riding Pre 90 MX bikes on grass tracks or paddock tracks would be completely lame and sad to see...that is not what those bikes are about

That may well be but this old fart enjoys riding moderns around his grassy paddock track, and he's not alone.

[odd1]

And I will second that.