Nationals split: pre-75 or pre-78?

[Curly3]

I know Pancho is talking about the Dirt Track nationals, that's where his passion lies.
I'm not sure if there is a push or a need to seperate them as with the MX nationals.

[firko]

Wally...Your XT500 slider fits into pre '78 and the slider class ( 18.10.0.1) with the Dec 31 1976 cutoff which somebody has adapted from the old 2 valve class. It will never however be allowed in the pre '75 division which I believe was your original question.

To me this ALMOST lets in XT powered sliders [pre dec 76].

No ALMOST about it Wal, as far as I can see it fits OK into the slider class.

This is just another example of the eligibility criteria needing a good overhaul. With the new era cutoffs coming into the sport, each with its own quirks and foibles, if the rulebook isn't tidied up and made more user friendly eligibility security is going to be a nightmare in the future. The grey areas have to be made clear so that situations like Wals or more relevently what happened at the Conondale Nats can be avoided in the future.

Thankfully, this long overlooked overhaul may soon get underway if recent moves come to fruitition.

[LWC82PE]

You got to be crazy to think a 76 model XT is OK for pre 75.If the rule book says its ok now then someone better get it fixed up quick smart. If thats allowed then people will start claiming the 81 model is a 'follow on model'

No 1974 model XT's were burning around the circuits in 1974 in what is now the limit for PRE 75 so i dont know why you would want to do that now. isn ti about re-creating the past period and not stretching the rules? You never saw a XT racing before 1975 against other bikes that eara so why would/should it be ok now? it would just look silly. i will never understand why people want to ride newer models in older classes or news modern pars on old bikes. if you want to do that why not just rides a newer class, eg evo or pre 85 etc.

[firko]

Yeah I don't know where Wal got that pre '75 idea.

[micks]

poncho is talking pre 76 not pre 75 as the new moms has some changes in the long track come slider class.
poncho you should of put this under vintage track - sliders in the nats 2011 and on ma has stuffed up big time -started by jim1au as it is casing some confusion.
i understand where you are coming from after i had a better look at the moms 2011.as firko has pointed out it needs a an overhaul but this is a step in the right direction as it is removing the longtrack from the discipline.

[pancho]

Mark the problem that I see is the "push rod operation ruling" which puts XTs and TTs and ANY OTHER overhead cam engines out of the pre '76 slider class.

However I am inclined to agree with what LWC82PE has to say about "if they weren't around up to '74 they should be out."

 Whatever the rule is I will go along with, but I will argue about rulings that exclude bikes, factory OR specials that I saw racing in the period that the ruling refers to.
 For instance in dirt track in the pre75 period there were specials [one offs] around in slider frames with wheel sizes other than 23" front and 19" rear as well as ohc engines being used and twin cylinder engines.

 Not arguing just discussing. cheers pancho.

[pancho]

BUT WAIT THERE'S  MORE! confusion that is, getting back to the question of the thread.
 Nationals split.
 As I read it in current MOMs page 170 rule 18.12.1.2

"Evolution class and Pre 85 may be run as part of the Australian Classic Motocross Championship OR independently."

  Guess what ,that rule was not new - refer 2010 MOMs

[TM BILL]

Iv'e only got a 2008 moms but in there rule 18.13 1.2 page 159

Evolution class may be run as part of the Australian classic motocross championship or indendently 

[evo550]

My 2010 rule book has the split removed, page 168, 18.7.14.1

[dkupf]

Evo550   My 2011 rule book has it crossed out. Page 168,  18.7.11.1 Darcy

[evo550]

Darcy,
Just realised I'm looking in the wrong spot, check page 170 18.12.1.2 under Aussie championships.
The irony is the M.A. add directly under it

[micks]

yer pancho you must have been reading your sliders rules again as it is on the same page.now does that mean there is a (possible) split at pre 78 because a club or promoter could run the evolution, pre 85 championship independent of pre 78 etc or a club or promoter could run a championship up to pre 78 and leave the evolution,pre 85 classes out.
18.12.1.1 say`s something about the championships will be conducted as a single meeting etc but the rule that you have pointed out 18.12.1.2 say`s that you can spilt it.yet again the moms is printed on white paper but there is grey in there.
you have to laugh the add in the bottom of the page "thinking about a rule changes?"
does this mean we wasted 14 pages?

[JohnnyO]

now does that mean there is a (possible) split at pre 78 because a club or promoter could run the evolution, pre 85 championship independent of pre 78 etc or a club or promoter could run a championship up to pre 78 and leave the evolution,pre 85 classes out.

does this mean we wasted 14 pages?

Yes and Yes

[Captain Bilko]

does this mean we wasted 14 pages?

Nah. It was great watchin' 'em squirm.
I think an Evo/Pre 85 Nats is going to be just awesome!

[JohnnyO]

does this mean we wasted 14 pages?

Nah. It was great watchin' 'em squirm.
I think an Evo/Pre 85 Nats is going to be just awesome!

Agreed!