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Re: Classic Dirt Track Images.
« Reply #630 on: July 12, 2011, 08:07:30 pm »

Here ya go Freaky, the Holy Grail of dirt track engines.
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« Reply #631 on: July 12, 2011, 08:11:00 pm »

The complete package.
This is what most of the guy's in those shots are riding.

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« Reply #632 on: July 12, 2011, 08:22:17 pm »
the above bike is at least pre 70 may be even pre 65.jap speedway 5 studs are pre 60
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« Reply #633 on: July 12, 2011, 09:03:47 pm »
Have a squiz at posts 468 to 474 on this forum Freaky.
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« Reply #634 on: July 12, 2011, 10:38:46 pm »
WHAT SIZE IS THAT FRONT TYRE ?  LOOKS LIKE A 18 OR 19 ?
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« Reply #635 on: July 13, 2011, 06:57:21 am »
Hey Freaky
The front wheel on the early Hagon Grasstracker pictured is a 21", as Jim says, that bike is a pre '65 , it has a Long Five JAP engine , Track Racing Amal carb , a Royal Enfield gearbox and what looks like a BSA rear wheel.

Herb Jeffersons Hagon Jawa Grasstracker had a 21" front and so did Alf Hagon's own bike, as did Ray Owens BITD.
The later Hagon Grasstackers, from the very  late '60s, early "70s had 23" front  wheels , as did the Hagon Sandracers.

The 21" fronts always look weird to me.
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« Reply #636 on: July 13, 2011, 08:28:41 am »
Looking back through those photos, KD & Greg Primmer are using 21's.
I knew that was an early Grasstracker but that's all I could find on Google images.

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« Reply #637 on: July 13, 2011, 05:01:29 pm »
 Squeekys' local built slider ESO had a 21" front and 19" rear. This is a reason I have problems with hard and fast rulings in the M.O.M.s re wheel sizes and some other specs when classifying what constitutes pre '70 or pre '75 in slider class.
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« Reply #638 on: July 13, 2011, 05:06:06 pm »
Ok guys fill me in on JAP's. how many models from the 50's upwards. i know F all about jap's. 5 stud, speedway JAP, what others are there? i could google this but it's better to get the info from the Guys that rode them.

i do think the V twin JAP is a thing of beauty.
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« Reply #639 on: July 13, 2011, 05:19:13 pm »
They ruled the roost for a long time Hoony.
I only ever rode one once, Foss & Jim would be the experts on here and there were quite a few models in that time span.
I've actually still got one stashed away, in pieces, one day.

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« Reply #640 on: July 13, 2011, 05:41:07 pm »
Bloody hell , Hoony, where do I start ??

OK ,
J. A Prestwich was a proprietry engine manufacturer from southern UK, the company made everything from small two stroke lawnmower engines up to the thundering 1100cc V twins.

From the 1950s the 350cc Grasstrack engines , the 500cc Grasstrack and Speedway engines and the KTOR, or more commonly known as the 880, 1000cc V twins were the best known.

The Long Five , long conrod ,five stud 500cc was  the most common in the 50s followed by the Short Four, short rod, four stud 500cc, it in turn was followed by the 4B engine in the very late 60s, it is the most common engine in Aussie Dirt track in the 70s, it had a longer overlap, higher lift camwheel and a more modern carby plus a better ign. system

In the early 70s, JAP brought out the 84S, a new engine with a shorter stroke 90mm by 84mm bore, as against the 4B's 99mm stroke by 80mm bore, hence the name, 84S, it was followed by the 84C , a four valve, dohc jobbie.

One of the tricks was to fit an 84S piston to a 4B, making it 540cc or there abouts, the bloody things would pull your arms off !!

The last JAP engine to win a World Speedway was a 4B fitted to a ESO frame ridden by Ove Fundin in the 60s and the last Longtrack title by a JAP was an 84S ridden by Egon Muller in the early 70s.

Bro Jim rode an 84S in a BSA frame in classic road racing, used to hose Manxes off, they weren't happy !!

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« Reply #641 on: July 13, 2011, 05:53:09 pm »
I told ya Hoony.
It's an education for me as well.

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Re: Classic Dirt Track Images.
« Reply #642 on: July 13, 2011, 05:53:33 pm »
Hey, Dutch ,

You would be more knowledgeable than me and I am trusting to memory here , any comments ??
Cheers
Foss
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« Reply #643 on: July 13, 2011, 07:32:54 pm »
Thanks Foss & Slidez, i love reading this history stuff. speedway would have to be the most documented early motorcycle sport i reckon.

Foss, do you reckon there was lots of jap 4B  "Big uns" in speedway back then  ;)
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« Reply #644 on: July 13, 2011, 07:39:45 pm »
Foss, do you reckon there was lots of jap 4B  "Big uns" in speedway back then  ;)

Shit , yeah, Hoony, for the Unlimited class in Dirt Track only , you understand !!
But the only time I was accused of riding a Biggun, I was on a bog standard 4B , mind you I was on ten percent nitro !!!
Foss
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