The Nats

[albrid-3]

Jikov, Has a lot of merrit in what he is saying, as a rider and track designer, l personally can handle what is dished up at me, and l have always said and l will keep saying it, the tracks need to be longer and more flowing, longer straights to sort the boys from the men so it will free up this bunching at the first corner, The front straight must be european style your as one would say, design the track and straights to what it originally was back in the sixties and seventies, natural terrain. fast tracks. Its not rocket science.

[Tossa]

doesn't appear to be much participation from over here in the west, last count i believe there'll only be 3 swedish sewing machines, too early in the year for the guys over here.  Still stinking hot and extremely dry.  No ride day until 14 Mar.  It's a pity but just one of those years

[firko]

Heres an idea , divide the Nats into;"Modern Vintage"  Evo, Pre 85 , Pre 90 , and Pre 95, (think ahead), to be run at a different time and place than the "Classic Vintage" ie; Pre 60,65,70,75 and pre 78,(we'll toss a coin to see who gets the sidecars) then we can make the tracks to suit both groups and all the riders', then we will have plenty of time to run the age group races just as Vintage MX has done in the past.

I couldn't agree more. There are many good reasons for a split one being that with a less hectic program the traditional age classes can be reintroduced for the older categories. I know there are a lot of folks who are against age group racing but they're usually newer recruits to the sport who missed seeng just how successful an idea it was in the first decade of the sport.

The only downside is that is adds another bid event to an already crowded calendar, causing additional strain on the finances of those who race both divisions. It can be sorted though, with a little bit of cooperation between promoting clubs and a well spread out calendar.

[211kawasaki]

CAN SOME ONE PUT IT TO MA AND THE COMMISSION?

[Freakshow]

they just did Dave, print it out and take it to your MA meeting  :O)

[albrid-3]

Drakey, is MA and Ross too, they could print it off. the next commsion meeting, could throw it around the table with good positive thoughts.

[GMC]

I heard that they have Greeves only days in the UK, they can do this because there are so many of them over their.
Same with the 500 muster in SA, there is enough of them to make a meeting.
But I don’t think there is enough racers these days to successfully split the classes into separate week ends. I think more are into restoring than racing these days
Sure it’s hard to get all the classes fair track time but it’s not like the events are flooded with entries.
All this talk about age capacity classes and yet last I heard there was only 20 something entries. A few more entries and their might be enough to fill a grid with one all powers, all ages race.
And you wonder why promoting clubs get nervous in the lead up to these events.
Probably a catch 22 thing…
Some riders won’t turn up till it changes and it won’t change till more riders turn up.

Their still seems to be an assumption that pre 85’s like modern tracks and the tracks are built to suit them, but I think that a lot of guys riding Evo etc would prefer the natural terrain too.
I also think that it comes down to the club that puts in to run the event and the track that they happen to have available.

Pity not many WA guys can make it, I thought the double week end deal would make it more worth while for them to send their bikes over.


Went round to the track for an inspection last Thursday and thought it was looking good. The track was graded with the view to be able to drive a car around it, I think it comes pretty close.

[GMC]

If your wondering where the money goes, some of it goes to things like new bitumen around the track.

[NSR]

GEEs I wish I could send some of QLDs rain down to ya.
The track looks good.  Did ya get some air in the car  

[albrid-3]

What is the difference between this tracks layout and last years track layout at the 2009 Bonanza weekend.

[Drakie]

Hey all, try these suggested race orders. Let me know your preferences, 1-4. Dunno how I collate them? Maybe our moderator can or email me at [email protected]

SUGGESTED RACE ORDER  1
1   Pre 1960   All powers (A/P)
2   Pre 1975   Up to 125
3   Pre 1965   Up to 250
4   Pre 1975   60 y.o. and over A/P
5   Pre 1965   263 and over
6   Pre 1968   Sidecars
7   Pre 1970   250
8   Pre 1975   30 to 39 y.o. A/P
9   Pre 1975    Four stroke A/P
10   Pre 1970   263 and over
11   Pre 1975   250
12   Pre 1975   Sidecars
13   Pre 1975   263 and over
14   Pre 1975   Under 30 y.o. A/P
15   Pre 1975   50 to 59 y.o. A/P
16   Pre 1975   40 to 49 y.o. A/P
17   Pre 1978   Up to 125
18   EVO   250
19   Pre 1985   263 and over
20   EVO   125
21   Pre 1985   Sidecars
22   Pre 1985   Up to 125
23   Pre 1978   250
24   EVO   263 and over
25   Pre 1985   250
26   Pre 1978   263 and over
SUGGESTED RACE ORDER   2
1   Pre 1960   All powers (A/P)
2   Pre 1975   Up to 125
3   Pre 1965   Up to 250
4   Pre 1975   60 y.o. and over A/P
5   Pre 1965   263 and over
6   Pre 1968   Sidecars
7   Pre 1970   250
8   Pre 1970   263 and over
9   Pre 1975   50 to 59 y.o. A/P
10   Pre 1975    Four stroke A/P
11   Pre 1975   30 to 39 y.o. A/P
12   Pre 1975   250
13   Pre 1975   Sidecars
14   Pre 1975   263 and over
15   Pre 1975   Under 30 y.o. A/P
16   Pre 1975   40 to 49 y.o. A/P
17   Pre 1978   Up to 125
18   EVO   250
19   Pre 1985   263 and over
20   EVO   125
21   Pre 1985   Sidecars
22   Pre 1985   Up to 125
23   Pre 1978   250
24   EVO   263 and over
25   Pre 1985   250
26   Pre 1978   263 and over

SUGGESTED RACE ORDER 3

1   Pre 1960   All powers (A/P)
2   Pre 1975   Up to 125
3   Pre 1965   Up to 250
4   Pre 1968   Sidecars
5   Pre 1965   263 and over
6   Pre 1975   60 y.o. and over A/P
7   Pre 1970   250
8   Pre 1975   30 to 39 y.o. A/P
9   Pre 1975    Four stroke A/P
10   Pre 1970   263 and over
11   Pre 1975   250
12   Pre 1975   Sidecars
13   Pre 1975   263 and over
14   Pre 1975   Under 30 y.o. A/P
15   Pre 1975   50 to 59 y.o. A/P
16   Pre 1975   40 to 49 y.o. A/P
17   Pre 1978   Up to 125
18   EVO   250
19   Pre 1985   263 and over
20   EVO   125
21   Pre 1985   Sidecars
22   Pre 1985   Up to 125
23   Pre 1978   250
24   EVO   263 and over
25   Pre 1985   250
26   Pre 1978   263 and over

SUGGESTED RACE ORDER 4

1   Pre 1960   All powers (A/P)
2   Pre 1975   Up to 125
3   Pre 1965   Up to 250
4   Pre 1965   263 and over
5   Pre 1968   Sidecars
6   Pre 1970   250
7   Pre 1975    Four stroke A/P
8   Pre 1970   263 and over
9   Pre 1975   250
10   Pre 1975   Sidecars
11   Pre 1975   263 and over
12   Pre 1975   Under 30 y.o. A/P
13   Pre 1975   30 to 39 y.o. A/P
14   Pre 1975   40 to 49 y.o. A/P
15   Pre 1975   50 to 59 y.o. A/P
16   Pre 1975   60 y.o. and over A/P
17   Pre 1978   Up to 125
18   EVO   250
19   Pre 1985   263 and over
20   EVO   125
21   Pre 1985   Sidecars
22   Pre 1978   250
23   Pre 1985   Up to 125
24   EVO   263 and over
25   Pre 1985   250
26   Pre 1978   263 and over

[albrid-3]

Order number  4  looks ok.
Order number 1 no good. why because age class for 60`s and over is to close to pre65 class.
Keep the age group classes running after each other.

[JohnnyO]

I don't like the way you've got the era's clumped together. A lot of us ride several classes of ajoining era's.
For someone riding Evo and Pre '85 there is very little time between motos then you sit around for 17 races till the next race.
Last years program from Conondale seemed pretty fair.

[Nathan S]

Last year I took two bikes (pre-70 250 & pre-78 125), and spent too much time sitting around. This year, I had loosely planned on taking four - it sounds like a lot, but its still not a whole lot of racing per day (particularly when you putter around at half throttle like I do...). It also gives a bit of redundancy if one of those young lunatic 45 year olds causes you to DNF a race...

However, I've just realised that bringing a pre-75 bike gives me two extra races, not just one. Maybe four bikes is too many?

Anyhow, I like Option #4 the best, because its the only one that spares me back-to-back races...

Edit: 090's suggested race order is just as good as Option 4, for me (see his post below this one).
Edit 2: I don't really care all that much - if I'm sucking in a particular class, or my body is complaining too much, then I fully expect to drop a class or two - and there will be no sulking from me.


SUGGESTED RACE ORDER  1
....
6   Pre 1968   Sidecars
7   Pre 1970   250
8   Pre 1975   30 to 39 y.o. A/P
9   Pre 1975    Four stroke A/P
10   Pre 1970   263 and over
11   Pre 1975   250
12   Pre 1975   Sidecars
13   Pre 1975   263 and over
14   Pre 1975   Under 30 y.o. A/P
15   Pre 1975   50 to 59 y.o. A/P
16   Pre 1975   40 to 49 y.o. A/P
17   Pre 1978   Up to 125
18   EVO   250
19   Pre 1985   263 and over
20   EVO   125
21   Pre 1985   Sidecars
....

SUGGESTED RACE ORDER   2
....
5   Pre 1965   263 and over
6   Pre 1968   Sidecars
7   Pre 1970   250
8   Pre 1970   263 and over
9   Pre 1975   50 to 59 y.o. A/P
10   Pre 1975    Four stroke A/P
11   Pre 1975   30 to 39 y.o. A/P
12   Pre 1975   250
13   Pre 1975   Sidecars
14   Pre 1975   263 and over
15   Pre 1975   Under 30 y.o. A/P
16   Pre 1975   40 to 49 y.o. A/P
17   Pre 1978   Up to 125
18   EVO   250
19   Pre 1985   263 and over
20   EVO   125
21   Pre 1985   Sidecars
.....

SUGGESTED RACE ORDER 3

....
5   Pre 1965   263 and over
6   Pre 1975   60 y.o. and over A/P
7   Pre 1970   250
8   Pre 1975   30 to 39 y.o. A/P
9   Pre 1975    Four stroke A/P
10   Pre 1970   263 and over
11   Pre 1975   250
12   Pre 1975   Sidecars
13   Pre 1975   263 and over
14   Pre 1975   Under 30 y.o. A/P
15   Pre 1975   50 to 59 y.o. A/P
16   Pre 1975   40 to 49 y.o. A/P
17   Pre 1978   Up to 125
18   EVO   250
19   Pre 1985   263 and over
20   EVO   125
21   Pre 1985   Sidecars
.....

SUGGESTED RACE ORDER 4

....
5   Pre 1968   Sidecars
6   Pre 1970   250
7   Pre 1975    Four stroke A/P
8   Pre 1970   263 and over
9   Pre 1975   250
10   Pre 1975   Sidecars
11   Pre 1975   263 and over
12   Pre 1975   Under 30 y.o. A/P
13   Pre 1975   30 to 39 y.o. A/P
14   Pre 1975   40 to 49 y.o. A/P
15   Pre 1975   50 to 59 y.o. A/P
16   Pre 1975   60 y.o. and over A/P
17   Pre 1978   Up to 125
18   EVO   250
19   Pre 1985   263 and over
20   EVO   125
21   Pre 1985   Sidecars
.....

[090]

 Here is my version, hopefully it is a help.You would be lucky to find someone that rides pre 70 and pre 85. The most logical way to do it is to mix the era's up. For eg guys that like to race pre 75 will race at least two of the three capacity classes.
Would this work 
1. pre 60
2. evo 125
3. pre75 125
4. pre 78 250
5. pre85 125
6. pre75 open
7. evo 250
8. pre 65 250
9. pre 85 Side cars
10. evo open
11. pre 78 125
12.pre 85 open
13. pre 75 30-39
14. pre 75 40-49
15.pre 75 50-59
16. pre 75 60+ (older guys generally speaking would not ride a pre 85 so something like that goes next to give the majority a break)
17. pre 85 250
18. pre 78 open
19. pre 75 4 stroke
20. pre 75 side cars
21. pre 75 250
22. pre 70 open
23. pre 68 side cars
24. pre 65 open
25. pre 75 up to 30yrs
26. pre 70 250

I have tried to mix the eras with the view older guys ride older bikes and younger ride younger. Alternatively, not using age but taste, guys tend to prefer long travel bikes regardless of their age and vice versa.