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Offline JohnnyO

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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2009, 09:51:10 pm »
Doug Dubach was and still is 1 of the main test and devolopment riders for the YZF Yamahas. Henry and Bartolini were the guys that got to race the ultra trick works Yamaha 4 strokes in '97, '98.

The header pipe was a twin pipe set up from memory on the bike Henry rode in sx..
Yeah you could be right. I saw both Henry's and Bartolini's works bikes at the '98 Mx des Nations and they were both quite different and very trick and not much like the production bike.

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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2009, 09:57:05 pm »

Yeah you could be right. I saw both Henry's and Bartolini's works bikes at the '98 Mx des Nations and they were both quite different and very trick and not much like the production bike.
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That was Foxhills in the mud? Lucky guy .How long did it take to get outta there.
Matterly Basin was horrendous took like 3 hours to get out on the road about 200metres from were we parked.

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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2009, 10:17:54 pm »
That was Foxhills in the mud? Lucky guy .How long did it take to get outta there.
Matterly Basin was horrendous took like 3 hours to get out on the road about 200metres from were we parked.
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Yeah that was Foxhills..unbelievably muddy. We had to have a bit of help to get outa there the next day.

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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2009, 10:21:02 pm »
That was Foxhills in the mud? Lucky guy .How long did it take to get outta there.
Matterly Basin was horrendous took like 3 hours to get out on the road about 200metres from were we parked.

Yeah that was Foxhills..unbelievably muddy. We had to have a bit of help to get outa there the next day.
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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2009, 09:34:16 am »
If that list was done today you woud have to add ANY chinese bike upto about 2 years ago. After that most chinese bikes :P.

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« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2009, 11:42:30 am »
Except for the Bultaco Lobito*, there are no bad dirt bikes. Some bikes are ready made to win races straight out of the box while others may need a bit of help to get results. Seeing Andy Caldecott win with amazing ease on an "evil" TM400 and "slow" TM250, Boagy win 125 races at will on, of all things a Rickman Zundapp and that guy at the Conondale Nats on the XL500 sticking it to Belly convinces me that any bike can be made a winner. Not every rider can unfortunately!
The TM/TS400 Suzuki is indeed a dangerous beasty but with the advantage of nearly 40 years of playing with the things we can now turn them into serious race tackle with just a few parts upgrades (full circle TS crank, modern ignition, modern tech pipe, decent forks or fitting PD or Gold valves, and a decent set of shocks).
http://www.mccookracing.com/articles/firko_rogerSuzukiMe.htm

The YZ 490's problems can be greatly lessened with a bit of creative head/carby and pipe work. Methinks the 490s appearance on the bad list is because it replaced such a great bike. People expected an even better machine than its predecessor but unfortunately the YZ  465 was a great  bike with a reputation that the YZ490 couldn't hope to live up to. It was merely a good bike when people were expecting a brilliant bike. It's a similar situation to another notorious 'bad boy' bike the '82 490 Maico, which followed the most reverred open class bike in MX history, the '81 Maico 490. Some unfortunate quality control problems, extremely bad press and tainted the '82 Maico placing it on many critics worst bike lists when in actual fact, once the problems were sorted at factory level (after the first month of production) the '82 Maico was a superb ride, possible even better than the legendary '81 model. Unfortunately the press and coming in the wake of a legend ruined its reputation forever. Today, the 82 model Maico and the YZ490 are half the price of their earlier brothers but can easily be made more than their equal.

*I should take Hoonys lead here and explain to Bultacophiles that I don't hate Bultaco Lobitos at all. After I wrote my now infamous 'Julio Inglesas' piece  http://www.mccookracing.com/articles/firko_JulioLeavesMeCold.htm describing my first day experience with my own Lobito, I've become the victim of scorn from Bultaco owners Australia wide. el Presidente of Club Bultaco, a bloke with a Polish name I can't pronounce, went into a rabid, spiteful and possibly libelous campaign against me in the Club Bultaco magazine, showing an unbelievable lack of understanding of the concept of satire or a smidge of a sense of humour. That's why I want to take a Lobito, a pound of Lan Choo, a nice plate of Cocoa Fluffies and the Hillsong songbook to this years Bultaco Rally. There are some fences needing rebuilding and I need to feel the love of the Bultaco community.  ::)
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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2009, 01:07:13 pm »
10 worst dirtbikes of all time... (in no order)

Yamaha's 1972-present
Suzuki's (including all footpegs,   ok, i do like RM 465/500's)
Kawasaki's
Maico's (excluding the 490)
Bulty's ( excluding the pomeroy model)
Monty's (excluding the Rossco model,......... Nah that's in the list too)
Ossa's
BSA'a (CCM's excepted)
Aspes ( say no more)
Ktm's ( excluding all the big "great white's")

let the fun begin


i posted this up earlier then pulled it as i thought it may be taken way too seriously, after reading the "Deals Gone Bad-For the Benefit of a Legend" thread, but now i think otherwise

Disclaimer this is a bona fide shit stir only, anyone on here still have a sense of humour and like to take the piss ? i actually have a love of all things on two wheels that are engine driven from 1912 8 valve alcohol fuelled Indian board track racers to now
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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2009, 01:13:10 pm »
 I hate to admit but i now have 5 hondas in my shed as my YZ's were way too fast for me .! i had a YZ490J & YZ490K and luved both of them ,hard to keep back mudgaurds on them .
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yzhilly ,YZ400E,,YZ250J,YZ125K,YZ100K,IT465H ,IT400D,IT250K , IT200L,XR250,XL250R,XL200R,XL125
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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2009, 01:15:00 pm »
Glad you reposted it up Hoony...  8)

Suzuki how dare you  :o
BSA they are still going strong after all these years,they sell the most parts out of UK for VMX.  :D
Ossa's dam good trail bikes I believe  :P

Disclaimer this is a bona fide shit stir only, anyone on here still have a sense of humour and like to take the piss ?
 
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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2009, 03:04:06 pm »
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BSA they are still going strong after all these years,they sell the most parts out of UK for VMX.
Yeah parts are easy to find. Just walk the track after an event  :D
Nice list Hoony.

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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2009, 03:41:34 pm »
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and the guy who was the supposed development rider was held up as a hero.
Noel   
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http://vimeo.com/6643456
I have no problem with anyone holding up Doug Henry as a hero :) :)

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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2009, 05:30:03 pm »
Hey Hoony ever had a Hodaka, ATK , Huskquvananna (Swedish type real bolt up through the seat tank joint ones ,and the later model Italian loser efforts) or a Carabela ?? sorry that last one was very low... :D Tim754
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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2009, 05:33:31 pm »

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Hey Hoony ever had a Hodaka, ATK , Huskquvananna (Swedish type real bolt up through the seat tank joint ones ,and the later model Italian loser efforts) or a Carabela ?? sorry that last one was very low...  Tim754
Nothing to disclaim 
You know how to kick a chap in the goolies Tim. Except for the Italian Husky, I've owned all of those bikes......and liked them!

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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2009, 05:55:35 pm »
I knew that ! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D and I too have at some stage owned and ridden ( maybe not raced) all those treasures. Was once again sitting here pondering all the machines that have slipped in and out of my time, loved the ATK (weird little disk brake and chain adjusters and all) the old Husky was given to me years ago stupidly I gave it to someone else, the Carabela was just different fun, always started first kick , had surprisingly smooth power ,always missed gears and bad rust in the cracking frame. Swapped it for another Hodaka. Hodakas had them all .I still have a list of a lot of the Hodaka frame numbers I had , reason I check the numbers at meetings if I can just to see if any of the little shits that spent some time with me still haunt others with their evil quirks. Cheers
PS the ATK had a Rotax... Yummy!!!!!!
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Re: 10 worst dirtbikes of all time...
« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2009, 06:07:35 pm »
Yamaha's belong on the list for sure, and I've even heard that the only good Yamaha has 88 keys.
Cheers,
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