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Offline HuskyPete

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pre 65 or pre 70????
« on: November 19, 2008, 02:38:59 PM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120333899633&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=002

Looks like a sportsman frame and swingarm, model number stamped on the right side of the frame instead of the left and the top coil mounting bracket is not on a 67 frame, the high tension coil was inside the engine cases so the top bracket was not on a 67 and earlier frame.
I don't think that a sportsman frame is allowed in pre 65, but ok for pre 70.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2008, 02:49:29 PM by 67Husky »
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Re: pre 65 or pre 70????
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2008, 07:07:52 PM »
Got that inone Pete - buyer beware!
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Re: pre 65 or pre 70????
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2008, 11:58:41 PM »
Peter Drakeford dedicated an entire VMX column to this bloke a couple of years ago. It was a ripper ;D.
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Re: pre 65 or pre 70????
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2008, 10:43:20 PM »
Wait a minute Dave........All I did is refer people to Drakies column. I haven't got an opinion of your Husky either way.
Don't take your angst out on me bucko!
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Re: pre 65 or pre 70????
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2008, 10:48:47 PM »
bucko and fella  thems  fighting words   :-*
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Re: pre 65 or pre 70????
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2008, 11:01:05 PM »
What gets me about this guy is he sells a bike on ebay then it's relisted shortly after becaue the sale didn't go through, but when you check his feedback there is positive feedback left by the buyer who didn't go ahead with the sale!! Looks to me like some dummy bids to push the price up.
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Offline Freakshow

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Re: pre 65 or pre 70????
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2008, 11:05:38 PM »
its a follow on model isnt it doc ?
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2008, 11:36:42 PM »
Thats a long race
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Re: pre 65 or pre 70????
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2008, 12:40:38 AM »
Shit this thread is getting ugly.
Get over it Dave. All of that anger is going to unwind your mojo.
And, what the fork are you talking about Freaky? Follow on? Doc? I'm more confused than Dave now.
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Offline HuskyPete

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Re: pre 65 or pre 70????
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2008, 08:25:22 AM »
From gcrs, pre 65

Greeves All 250cc alloy beam up to Mk3.
Hedlund All
Husqvarna
2-stroke: 250 bolt up frames only to
1967. Later American Enduro frames
are not acceptable.
4-stroke: All Albin-based engines.

1. 67 frames do not have cable holes in the steering stop, this one has,there are some hooks hanging through to holes.
2. The frame in the photo has a hole through it for the air box bracket to bolt to, this frame looks like it has had this added on where the welding has taken place just before to seat junction, sportsman frame do not have this hole.
3. 67 frames do not have a hole in the front engine mounting bracket to attach the bash plate to, in the photo this frame looks like there are three holes in this one.
4. The swing arm in the photo has holes in it on both sides to attach rear footpegs just in front of the rear shock mounts. A 67 swing arm does not have these holes.
5. A 67 frame has the frame number stamped on the left side where this one has it stamped on the right side. The 67 frames were stamped with the number starting 67xxxx, 68 frames stamped 68xxxx, there was some 67 frames called a stamp over frame and the frame number was 67xxxx with a 8 stamped over the 7, i dont think there were to many of them around.
6. I can't see in the photo the rear brake torque rod mounting on the frame, it is just below the right foot peg, a sportsman does not have this bracket.
7.If the frame number was in the advert it would tell anyone what year it is, it is probably a SI xxxxxxxx, which is an sportsman enduro model. Fine for pre 70 but i dont think it is correct for pre 65.
8. The ignition on a 67 motor was mounted inside the right side engine cover it contained the points and spark ignition coil, therefore there was no bracket required under the tank for the spark ignition coil as this one has.
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Re: pre 65 or pre 70????
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2008, 09:10:08 AM »
Whats  a bolt up frame   ???
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2008, 09:18:24 AM »
Dave...There's a few lessons to be learned here.  The first is..if you're going to sell a vintage bike on eBay, you'd better get that description 100% correct or it could be seen by a lot of people that you are trying to mislead them. You knew that frame was from a Sportsman but alluded to it being legal for pre '65. That's dodgy Dave and you of all people should know better than that. If someone had bought it as a pre '65 legal bike they would have had damn good reason to be really pissed off with you. Posting your own feedback isn't cool either.
The second lesson learned, and it's one many of us are guilty of, including me is to go into a thread half cocked and with a head full of steam. More times than not you're going to say things that you'll later regret. The next lesson learned is to never underestimate the knowledge of certain people on this Forum. 67Husky especially has an encyclopedia like knowledge of Huskys and to assume that "no one would notice" your dodgy eBay posting was a big mistake. 67Husky was totally right in warning potential buyers that all was not as it seemed. He was looking after the interests of his fellow vintage racers or more importantly, potential new vintage racers who may have bought your Husky based on your description.  Dave, you've been around this sport since day one and you are one of the sports real characters. However, the posting of erroneous ads on eBay and then trying to defend yourself by abusing those who have caught you out isn't a good look and can't be helpful to your standing within the vintage community.

You and I have had no problems in the past so singling me out was puzzling to say the least. I don't take it personally and have already moved on. I hope you have as well and have learned something from this experience.

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Whats  a bolt up frame
It's an early Husky frame with a bolted on rear subframe rather than the later welded version.


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Re: pre 65 or pre 70????
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2008, 10:42:04 AM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=140281451549&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=004

This is the correct 67 frame, the real deal except for the tank, its 360cc not suitably for pre 65, only a 250cc is. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2008, 10:47:51 AM »
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Re: pre 65 or pre 70????
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2008, 10:50:06 AM »
Looks ok in the photos, except the tank logo is upside down ??? ???. Would help if there were frame and engine numbers. It also has an incorrect kickstarter.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2008, 12:11:48 PM by 67Husky »
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