Hi Mick always good to throw a good discussion around , and I look at it like this on my many trips up and down the east coast I am a regular visitor to a little bakery at the servo at macksville he is Australia,s No1 sea eagles supported and probably has the best, yes the best steak and kidney pie in Oz and a fench vanilla slice to die for , well if you get there after about mid morning they are all gone which makes you wonder why there is only a couple of pies left in the oven well being famished led me reluctantly to buy the pepper pie , 5k,s out town settling in fist bite mmmm not bad mostly delicious pastry , then next bite little bit of pie little bit of pastry mmmm not so good next bite f....#+=fjhggjhdczdhgdshjvjhcesvhjvchjesb$%\*ing hell what is this crap gagging threw it out for the next Reynard on the side of the road to feast on . Moral of the story who knows who cares I suppose get in first get what you want select personally something you know is good....... I'm calling that pie the many sea eagle pie...... Obviously that's what he was thinking of in his 3am baking slumber whilst making it .... Go parra