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Offline TooFastTim

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Pierre Karsmakers?
« on: October 21, 2014, 03:49:34 am »
So Yamaha imported him into the US for the '73 season which he duly won. But did Pierre lift the US game hugely or would they have reached the level they did as early as they did without Pierre's presence in the championship?

Just wondering. My mind does that often. Sometimes it f&^ks off and goes walkabout  :D
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2014, 07:00:47 am »
No doubt Pierre forced them to lift their game. For some reason he hasn't been given the respect he deserves. Perhaps because he is seen as a mercenary. Just saying. J

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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2014, 07:16:24 am »
I believe he was seen as a sand specialist and a journeyman by those on the Euro circuit. As much as he stirred the Yanks up it was interesting to see that he was put back in his place when De Coster and co rolled up for the end of year Trans AMA series. Gee I loved MXA magazine back in the day. J

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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2014, 07:16:36 am »
Jerry, that's what got me to thinking. He seems to have been airbrushed out of history.

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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2014, 07:20:31 am »
Just getting back to your original point Tim I reckon if it wasn't Pierre it would have been someone else. There was so much momentum back then. Yeah I reckon his contribution has been largely ignored by the mainstream.J

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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2014, 07:53:44 am »
Have a look at " One chance to win" good interview with Brad and Pierre. Clearly no love lost there. Shame after all this time that apparently they can't shake and move on. Regardless Pierre certainly played his part in Motocross history. J

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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2014, 08:55:33 am »
Had a look for "one chance to win". Could only find the trailer.

Back to your "journeyman" comment. It makes sense. He wasn't exactly at the top of the GP's when he moved to the US and, if memory serves me, he didn't set the world alight when he returned to Europe. Mind you he did win a moto on that works 500 Honda (this one: http://www.mxworksbike.com/index.php/collection/bikes?id=33).

So you reckon he was the catalyst that started what was inevitable?

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2014, 09:06:04 am »
Probably Edison Dye et al were the catalysts for the whole damn thing BUT Pierre certainly hastened the inevitable professionalism. I think I remember he was supposed to be on a $1M per year. Possibly explains some of the animosity towards him (read jealousy!) good on him for sensing an opportunity and grabbing it. As an aside I saw his Bother Toon ride at Broadford in the early 80's J

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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2014, 09:12:46 am »
Tim if your keen on the movie I'm most happy to lend it to you. Let me know. J

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2014, 01:00:39 pm »
The Yanks are funny sometimes. This is why they like to change things so they are the best.  Eg Supercross.  I'm sure Karsmakers did lift their standard, but at that stage they still couldn't match the European's (ie Belgians).  I can never understand why the US Magazines don't give Joel Robert the credit he deserves. 

Who is the best Motocross rider of all time?

Joel Robert
Roger De Coster
Stefan Everts
Ricky Carmicheal

My vote would still be for Joel.

and please don't confuse Supercross and Motocross.  The best Supercross rider of all time is another question.
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2014, 03:25:08 pm »
I see that Pierre has been inducted into the AMA Hall of Fame..  all forgiven must be.. ;D

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2014, 08:16:31 am »
I was stateside during a lot of Pierres time there and yes he definitely helped the Americans lift their game and his influence on the sport has been vastly under-rated.  I had the chance to train with him on several occasions and the way he trained was massively different from  how American riders trained back then.
BTW - Pierre was no journeyman.  He was a 3 time Dutch champion and had not really stepped onto the world stage when he was approached to race in the states.  His first attempt at the Trans AMA had him finish 9th in front of Bickers & Banks who were 500 specialists and in front of all the Americans.  From memory he had issues at the first round (Carlsbad) that caused him to miss the second round but I guess in reality he was a 3rd-7th place rider in the company of Robert, DeCoster, Weil, Geboers, Mikkola etc.

The record books would be very different if the AMA did not change the rules and ban overseas riders from holding American National titles - brought on by his becoming the first Supercross and 1973 500cc champion.

My personal thought are that as a trainer he was a damned hard task master and very unforgiving if you slacked off.  He was and is also a bloody good bloke.
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2014, 11:10:37 am »
Good work, Rusty.  Balanced and informative
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2014, 12:55:37 am »
from fullnoise.com crew
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Pierre Karsmakers and Mike Larocco Inducted into the AMA Hall of Fame
Thursday, 23rd October, 2014 : 11:51 AM - - 286 Reads
The AMA Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony took place on Friday evening at the Orange County Convention Center's Chapin Theater in Orlando, Florida, in conjunction with the second annual American International Motorcycle Expo (AIMExpo).

Among the seven inductees recognized on Friday were two past AMA Motocross National Champions, Pierre Karsmakers and Mike LaRocco, both of whom were in attendance to receive their honors.

 Karsmakers was one of the first European motocross heroes to bring his expertise to America, moving here in 1973. A three-time motocross champion in his native Holland, Karsmakers came to the United States when professional motocross racing was just starting to catch on. Signed to race for Yamaha, Karsmakers won the brand its first 500cc AMA Motocross National Championship.

 One year later Karsmakers claimed the inaugural AMA Supercross Championship in 1974 (though at the time it was called the Yamaha Super Series of Stadium Motocross). Karsmakers continued racing in America until he retired in 1979, and arguably his greatest contribution was teaching his American competitors the importance of race-testing, physical fitness and general riding technique.
 


 

Mike LaRocco, pictured, has made a seamless transition from factory racer to Team Manager. - Credit Racer X Archives 
 
 
   
Mike LaRocco was raised in Indiana and won his first National Championship at the Loretta Lynn's AMA Amateur Nationals, then turned professional in 1987 as a Yamaha support rider. Over the next 19 years he was a constant contender in both AMA Motocross and AMA Supercross, collecting national championships in AMA 500cc Motocross and AMA 250cc Motocross, as well as a World Supercross title.

 Along the way, LaRocco raced for several brands but he ended his career in 2006 with Factory Connection Honda-now known as the GEICO Honda Team. Since 2010, LaRocco has managed the GEICO Honda Supercross/Motocross Team, which has won a title each year he has been involved.

 Additionally, lifetime motorcycling advocate and enthusiast Tom White was recognized for his achievements and contribution to the sport of motocross. White was an acclaimed dirt track racer who ignited his passion for motorcycling at the age of 15. By the time he was in his early 20s, White was ranked among the top 100 motorcycle racers in America, earning AMA National No. 80. Soon after, he founded White Brothers Cycle Specialties in 1975, which became one of the top off-road motorcycle accessory companies in America. When White sold the company in 2000, the firm listed more than 30,000 products.

 Today, White feeds his passion by racing motocross, working as a race announcer, and serving as owner and curator of the Early Years of Motocross Museum in Villa Park, California, which features 160 motorcycles and related displays.

 White's lasting contributions also include the Edison Dye Motocross Lifetime Achievement Award, which recognizes the person or persons who have made the largest impact on the growth of motocross in America, and creating the World Veteran MX Championship and the World Four-Stroke Championship, which has become the World Two-Stroke Championship.

 Other members of the Class of 2014 include: race tuner and innovator Byron Hines; national off-road racing champion Scott Summers; George Barber, founder of the Barber Vintage Motorsports Museum and the Barber Motorsports Park; and legendary tuner, engine builder and team owner Rob Muzzy.

 Also honored was AMA Motorcycle Hall of Fame Legend William "Willie G." Davidson. Willie G. is the grandson of Harley-Davidson founder William A. Davidson and is responsible for many of the innovative motorcycle designs that ushered in a new era for the iconic company.

Top Image: Pierre Karsmakers, made a great impact on American Motocross history.

Credit: Racer X Archive
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