Montesa VR 250 Wheelsmith

[supersenior 50]

Hi TBM, I agree with you on all points but one, and have no problem with the "Rule rewright" thread as a contribuition for the future (being next year)
The point of disagreement is that you state that David started this controversy.
This is simply not so. The relevant thread is headed "Scrutineering for the 2014 Post Classic Nats", so is directly pertaining to this upcoming event.
Seven pages and 90 posts went by before David posted his opinion, plus a lot of agitating off this forum,so it was hardly initiated by him.

[DJRacing]

Hi husky500, I am a stubborn old(er) bastard but you are dead right in questioning the 99% comment. On the basis of calls I've been getting I'd guess it's doubtfull it's even 50%.
I don't understand the furore all this has kicked up.Combining the relevant threads on this subject ( two of which have hit the dungeon) we are now approachin 40 pages.
To me it seems simple, put long travel on a pre75 bike, no mystery it's Pre78 under our rules. Put modified later components on an Evo bike and it becomes Pre85 etc etc.
Every time before a Nats this forum goes ape about something. This year its mainly about Evo rules. Evolution has been going for at least 10 years, and been included in about 8 Nats - no protests or formal submissions for change in all that time.
Now this puts unnecessary pressure on officials, mostly volunteers, and puts the cloud of controversy over the event 8 weeks out.
Anyway it's my birthday that weekend so be nice everyone

Hi Col, sorry to say, but it is a big mystery. The pre75 Montesa that Mark has posted up isn't pre78 legal(sorry Mark, not picking an argument). The Pre78 rules are very clear on this (at the present time).
The rules of Pre78 as they stand at the moment.

16.15.11.1    Acceptable for the pre 78 classes:
a) Machines and components that are limited to the 1975, 1976, 1977 models alone. The only exception to this rule is where the model remains unaltered after this date.

Sorry Mark and Col, but this bike can't be raced in Pre78, it has to go up to Evo.

I like the bike Mark and yes it would make a cool pre78 bike if it was allowed to race there and like many other bikes of the pre75 era that have been altered to longer travel than 4"&7".

[supersenior 50]

All good. The decision s have been made by MA and the QVMX president, and it's getting back to normal. Sup regs are approved and we can all get on with it. Descriptions of the guy who rang Dave are too harsh, he is a passionate and hard working member of our VMX community who in this matter was a bit misguided. "Confessing" on this forum is the last thing he should do. He and Dave had have further conversations and it's for them to sort out.

[supersenior 50]

I think DJ is correct on the Pre78 issue.
We should get off this Ebay thread.

[FourstrokeForever]

All good. The decision s have been made by MA and the QVMX president, and it's getting back to normal. Sup regs are approved and we can all get on with it. Descriptions of the guy who rang Dave are too harsh, he is a passionate and hard working member of our VMX community who in this matter was a bit misguided. "Confessing" on this forum is the last thing he should do. He and Dave had have further conversations and it's for them to sort out.

Col, I don't usually remove threads but I have removed the offending blurb that I wrote. It wasn't exactly kosher to have on the forum for one, and embarrassing to me for the other. It seems I got sucked into the hype and got carried away believing what I read. I do apologise to whoever the guy was that rang Dave. It seems he does indeed have the sports best interest at heart and I wish him no hard feelings.

[KTM47]

Further on the original subject of this thread.  As the rules stand now the Wheelsmith Montesa is not legal for Pre 78 or Pre 75.  However I think there should/could be something in the rules to permit machines like this to be approved.  Also there should be something to permit alternate designs eg the Kramer Maicos aren't legal either.

If the rules were enforced as written there would be several things that are permitted/ignored now that while they should be permitted the rules say they shouldn't be.  The rules need to change so there can be an avenue to approve things like the Wheelsmith Montesa in Pre78 and Kramer Maicos in Pre75.

There are other components that are permitted/ignored now that could be protested.

And No I'm not going to name them.

I think anything that was available and used back when the machines were new should be permitted, but show me where their is a process written down for this to occur.