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Offline YZ250H

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Seal Help Required
« on: June 24, 2011, 12:49:58 pm »
Hi guys,

As per GMC's suggestion I am looking for internet places to look at seal sizes to retrofit to YZ125H steering stem.  I have found a place that has a few OS type seals (which is the bottom one).  Does anyone know where I could look at SD type seals (the top one).  Can SD be replaced by something else.  I am looking at getting the new stem made to suit readily available size seals (well that is the dream anyway ::)  ).  Note the Yamaha items are as rare as rocking horse shit dung beetles  :o :o

There must be some fitters or hydraulic experts out there somewhere  :-\

Thanks in advance for any help  :-*
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Re: Seal Help Required
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2011, 12:02:53 pm »
YZ250H , I needed a seal for a mx360/sc500 hens teeth , my local bearing shop told me the manufacters will make one offs but big bucks.
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Re: Seal Help Required
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2011, 01:50:17 pm »
Iainyz and YZ250H sorry no idea about YZ125H seals but I just bought a set of aftermarket TY250 twinshock (branded ALL BALLS) steering head bearings from the UK and they came with seals. I would need to check a cross reference but suspect that MX360 would be the same bearings
Do you want a photo of what the seals that came with the kit look like?
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Re: Seal Help Required
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2011, 02:17:01 pm »
What is the outside dia?
What do you imagine the inside dia will end up as ? ( Ball park figure )
How wide is the seal ?
Can you fit 2 narrow ones ?
If you can give me these measurements I will go and annoy my mate at the bearing shop and try to find you some part numbers.
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Re: Seal Help Required
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2011, 06:47:50 pm »
Top one is a piece of cake - standard oil seal
The one I have is 28-37-8



The bottom one is a bit trickier.  Nothing stamped on it.
Note the lips are on the outside  :o  Smooth on the inside.
Very hard to measure, but I get 30-41.5(?)-10.  The 41.5 could be 41 as I was measuring with vernier calipers that didn't reach into the head stock properly by torchlight ::)


The critical dimensions will be the ones in the headstock - ie 37 and 41.
What do you reckon?  Am I stuffed ?
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Re: Seal Help Required
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2011, 09:06:27 pm »
Hi YZ250H someone asked the same question here

 http://forums.mxtrax.co.uk/showthread.php?t=203026
try this for OS seal - http://www.speedsupplies.com/parts/yamaha-93107-30009-00.htm

 put in part number for the SD seal - http://www.ronayers.com/Search/N/687

It may help good luck if you are lucky finding them please post as i can use the seals too.
mxfool

update
here is a pic are you after part numbers 28 is 93102-28234-00  OIL SEAL, SD-TYPE
and 29 is 93107-30009-00  OIL SEAL, OS-TYPE also  apparently seals from a YZ125 and 250 J will fit too.




hope this helps you


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« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 12:03:42 pm by mxfool »

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Re: Seal Help Required
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2011, 09:44:57 pm »
If you,re making your own head stem YZ then you can do anything you like , such as putting the same type bottom seal as the top one just a little bigger on the ID.
OD would have to be the same as the steering head hole .( Bash it in fit )
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Re: Seal Help Required
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2011, 10:11:23 pm »
Top one is a piece of cake - standard oil seal
The one I have is 28-37-8



The bottom one is a bit trickier.  Nothing stamped on it.
Note the lips are on the outside  :o  Smooth on the inside.
Very hard to measure, but I get 30-41.5(?)-10.  The 41.5 could be 41 as I was measuring with vernier calipers that didn't reach into the head stock properly by torchlight ::)


The critical dimensions will be the ones in the headstock - ie 37 and 41.
What do you reckon?  Am I stuffed ?

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Re: Seal Help Required
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2011, 10:34:11 am »
If you,re making your own head stem YZ then you can do anything you like , such as putting the same type bottom seal as the top one just a little bigger on the ID.
OD would have to be the same as the steering head hole .( Bash it in fit )
Fantastic idea Mike - turn it inside out so to speak. There is nothing to stop me doing that, and in fact I don't know why Yamaha didn't do that in the first place.  All I need to watch out for is that the steering head bearing goes over the new section.  Champion mate.

Fool, I actually already have the new seals, but was thinking of a smarter way to do it - I think Mike has hit on it.

Mainline - I employed a special hand model for those pics  ::)  My hands are all knarled up from years of hard physical labour  ;) ;D ;D

Now off to look for the right size seals.  Perhaps an imperial size could be close to what I'm after.  Possibly thinking of making a collar to fit inside the bottom of the headstem to fit a readily available size.

The more I think about it the more flawed I beleive Yamaha's system is.  The inside of the bottom seal fits very snuggly (sealing) on the shaft.  When you turn the bars the outside of that bottom seal turns against the headstem.  Surely the turned shaft would be better to rotate inside the seal as it does at the top  :-\
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Re: Seal Help Required
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2011, 01:11:49 pm »
HI ya YZ250H (MR T)
here is a novel approach to beating those leaking seals a la VTR firestorm 1000
may have a design flaw with it but hey no more seal problems replaced with others. 8)

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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2011, 02:48:48 pm »
Looks fugly  :o :o
What about airflow for cooling  ::)
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Re: Seal Help Required
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2011, 05:32:32 pm »
Now if you can find some narrow seals YZ then you can double them up and it will never leak :)
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2012, 01:46:08 pm »


Been doing some measuring  ;)  I like Mikes idea of 2 thin seals, so ....
In the photo below there are 2 different diameters. The original seal sat against the lip.  Looks like a 30x40x5 seal will fit in the top and a 30x42x6 will go in the bottom thus giving me a double seal  8)

The bottom steering head bearing goes in the large rebate (captain obvious)

Question is will it work  :-\


Looking for YZ250C parts NOS if possible

"My inability to use emoticins in the right context is really getting me down :)
The only triple jumps he would have been doing are the hop, skip & jump.