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Offline cappra

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Scam averted
« on: November 24, 2011, 06:05:56 pm »
I have been selling bikes and parts for many years, but here is a new scam (at least to me) I had a person contact me
about a bike I had on my website for sale and e-mailed me that he would buy it at the stated price ($5000.00 USD)
Two day's ago, he expressed mailed me a company check for $7500.00 (1st alert) It was mailed from Florida and the
company address on the check was San Francisco, California. (2nd alert) The check looked correct, even down
to a watermark. He e-mailed me and told me to take the extra $2500.00 and send it by Western Union to his "shipper"
in Virgina. This was to cover shipping of the bike and some extra he owed to his "shipper" (3rd alert)
I took the check to my bank and had a manager check it out. He had no doubt that it was bogus. After about 30 minutes,
it was confirmed that the check was no good. Now here is the best part. I could have deposited the check and after a few
day's, the check would have cleared and the funds would have been available to me. Then after two weeks or more, the
bookkeeper for the company would have found the fraudulent check and the bank would have reversed the funds and then
my bank comes after you know who, me! I would have had to pay back the bank the total of $7500.00.  In the time that the check
had cleared, I would have sent the $2500.00 to the "shipper"  $2500 to never be seen again. This is why the customer said in his e-mails
to let him know when the check had cleared the bank before sending the money. I hope this acts as a warning that no check is a guarantee
even if it has cleared your own bank.

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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2011, 06:42:30 pm »
Thanks for the info, Jared.
I've had something similar lately and this is a good reminder to be so careful when buying or selling over the internet.

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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2011, 08:20:20 pm »
Thats a bit of a worry. As has been said on here before; if it seems to good to be true, it definitely will be. 
Cheques are too risky (excepting a genuine bank cheque). Just ink put on paper.

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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2011, 08:38:42 pm »
 
Cheques are too risky (excepting a genuine bank cheque).

I don't know if the same applies now, but years ago, I bought and fitted a second hand engine to guy's car and he paid with a bank cheque. Which seemed ok to me.
Only thing was that he beat me back to the bank and cancelled the cheque!!  I didn't know you could do that and I ever saw him again......  >:(

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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2011, 09:45:52 pm »
Thats a bit of a worry. As has been said on here before; if it seems to good to be true, it definitely will be. 
Cheques are too risky (excepting a genuine bank cheque). Just ink put on paper.
Along time ago a guy came into the bike shop I worked at (80's). Bought a cbx1000, riding gear for him and partner and produced a bank cheque for $5000. When the cheque was presented it was found that it was changed from $5 to the $5k. Nice huh? Luckily the dumb arse wrote down his real address for the bike warranty.

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2011, 01:35:57 am »
This scam has been going on for a while now on Ebay towards muscle cars.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2011, 07:23:45 am »
Called the 'overpayment scam' it's as old as the internet itself
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2011, 08:33:41 am »
Have seen the same scam done on a second hand car salesman using a stolen bank cheque.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2011, 09:29:53 am »
I’ve heard of a few stories over the years now about stolen bank cheques and cancelled bank cheques.
They are not as safe and scam proof as what you might think.
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2011, 02:50:27 pm »
 
Cheques are too risky (excepting a genuine bank cheque).

I don't know if the same applies now, but years ago, I bought and fitted a second hand engine to guy's car and he paid with a bank cheque. Which seemed ok to me.
Only thing was that he beat me back to the bank and cancelled the cheque!!  I didn't know you could do that and I ever saw him again......  >:(

This is apparently the reason that we don't get immediate clearance of funds from deposited cheques. I remember asking the question; "why does it take so long, given the modern technology that we have"? The answer was; "just in case the bearer of the cheque wants to cancel it". So anything can be abused/misused if a dishonest person is trying to get something for free. As we all know the banks also make a sh#@load of money on the short term market.

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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2011, 08:27:21 am »
I’ve heard of a few stories over the years now about stolen bank cheques and cancelled bank cheques.
They are not as safe and scam proof as what you might think.

A bank cheque takes just as long to clear as a normal cheque as well, I sold a bike a few years ago & asked the bank how long clearance took & was told 5 working days because they had to make sure it hadn't been stolen etc

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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2011, 05:01:45 am »
just tried to bring some money back to Laos with me via bank cheque - after waiting 30 days the cheque was dishonoured because one of the 4 (??) banks involved, apparently, could not read the typed and printed item.  Gave up, put it back into my account and lost money on both the exchange rate change and the cheque fees!
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