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Offline Kenneth S (222)

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The Problem

I am only new to the club a year ago but it seems to me from the many discussions I have listened to including two general meetings and personal experience at race meetings that for too long now, the Race Meeting Marshalling load has been carried by a small group of Club Officials & Members with a number of Members not putting their hand up often enough.
The goal of this document is to begin the process of coming to a long term solution for Race Meeting Marshalling where the marshalling role provides all riders with the safety and support of good marshalling, is fair and not too much of a burden to any one person or small group of riders &/or officials.
Note: This is not for one minute an attack on the efforts of the current or past race officials. On the contrary, those officials do a brilliant job and have to do too much at each race meeting. Because not enough riders have been prepared to do their fare share, our officials have been burdened with carrying their load. This document is a riders input as to how to solve that problem and as you read on you will appreciate, I don't have to be as politically correct with my views as the officials might feel they need to be.

The Solution

Marshalling Manager
The managing of the Marshalling duties is crucial to the smooth & safe running of a Race Meeting, there are close to 100 riders and up to 40 races to administer, not a simple task. It is my view that one person should take on the role at each Race Meeting of planning & managing the Marshalls. With this proposed format, there would be 7 marshall changes in the day, not 1. This will take management and I believe too much of an extra burden to add to the clerk or presidents list of things to do.

Who should Marshall?

All riders should be obligated to carry the Marshalling Load. Many hands make light work.
The only way a long term Marshalling solution will work is if a palatable solution is tabled and all riders agree to do their fare share of the Marshalling load. Take your average 80-100 riders at a meet, divide them into 8 Marshalling groups and each group Marshalls for 1 x approx 1 Hour long session.
Club officials donate enough of their own personal time to club activities and Race Meeting duties and should be excused from Marshalling duties on Race Weekends.
Any Riders who are not willing to do their fair share of marshalling should at a minimum be exempt from earning Race Points. In my view if you want to race and have others look after your safety while you ride, you should and I mean 'should' be prepared to give up an hour of your race day to return the favour to your fellow riders.

The role of Marshalling

What should the Marshalling role entail?
Apart from the obvious , watching the racing from your allocated vantage point and providing the appropriate flagging, it is my view that Marshalling has been seen as a burden by many and the main reason is in its current format the time spent Marshalling has been too long.
I propose in this document a modified system where each rider is only required to Marshall for 1/8th  of the race day or meeting approximately 50-60 minutes. If all riders Marshall, this can be achieved, and rather than the task of Marshalling enduring 10-11 races , it would cover a maximum of 4-6 races.

I believe the club should purchase 10 Eskys and each day 10 bags of ice to put into those Eskys to keep cold drinks available at each Marshalling point.

I would encourage riders to take a friend with them while they Marshall. If there are enough friends family & riders, then I think 2 people should be allocated to each Marshalling point. This provides extra assistance in the case of an accident and having someone with you to do a bit of bench racing while you Marshall will make the time pass very quickly.

The impact on those who race many classes

As you can see, I have attached a proposed Race Format to go with this Marshalling Proposal. From the many conversations I have listened to regarding the Marshalling issue, it seems most riders are open to a system which provides a solution, but the main sticking point is many multi class riders do not want to miss out on their races. Fair enough!
In this proposed Race Meeting & Marshalling Format, a rider can race 3 out of 4 classes without any marshalling duties interfering with those races. If he or she chooses to race the forth class, all he or she will have to do is swap the Marshalling duties with another rider for that race in the 4th class. The Marshalling Manager for the Race Meeting will just need to be notified of the 'Swap'. This could also be the solution if you need time to fix a bike problem.

The Race Format

In the accompanying Race Format, for the purposes of illustrating how the marshalling roles would be allocated, I have included all classes with proposed laps and apprx time duration. If all races were run and no classes were combined, we would end up with a 40 race and a 8-9 hour race day. We all know though that the club does not fill all of those classes and on the day it makes common sense to combine some classes. This race format is there purely to illustrate the principals behind this proposal and the task of Race Day rationalisation to match the entry list & bring the format down to a manageable one of 20-30 races would be the role of the officials at each race meeting. The principals of dividing the day into ears & spreading the load over all the riders entered still remains the same.
I have deliberately spilt the day into Eras. Many riders it seems stick to their era so this will help in the Marshalling duties not interfering with many rider's racing. The Eras are also in sequence from early to late to allow the older bikes the benefits of the smoother track conditions earlier in the day and the later bikes the choppier conditions later in the day.

I  Volunteer

It’s about time we sorted this out and stopped relying on the few riders and officials who have been carrying most of the load.  I watch Carl and Kel struggle to get volunteers at each race meeting and even though I have never heard them complain, it is not fair to them to carry this burden each and every race meeting. This document is only a start to trigger discussion and feedback and the final system we settle on will I am sure be different. I do believe it is possible though to do much better than we have been doing and I am happy to take on that role of Marshalling Manager for the next few meetings to test this system and refine it.
Let’s get this thing fixed. I invite constructive comments and concerns. Surely collectively we can come up with a system which is fair and workable.

Kenneth Swan
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Re: Proposed Marshalling Format for Heaven Events - It's time to get this fixed
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2011, 05:00:52 pm »
One solution that worked for our club was to pay the local Lion Club to come and do it. Or if a rider wanted to he could save $10.00 on his entree and Marshal for a few races.
Simple add $10.00 fee to entree's called flag Marshal fee if the rider complains tell him simple go see the Marshaling manager get added to roaster and save $10.00 , no rider has ever done this. A good size club event can make the Local lions club make $1000,00 they love it.     
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Re: Proposed Marshalling Format for Heaven Events - It's time to get this fixed
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2011, 05:06:44 pm »
Firstly well done on taking a positive approach to a very long term problem that is not restricted to HEAVEN events only. Marshal duties have been the main source of frustration when it comes to organising race meetings for as long as I can remember.

As far as your proposal goes can you clear up a couple of points for me?

1. Are you suggesting we have 8 seperate marshalling groups? If this is so, say we take a conservative number of 10 marshals points required for a particular track this would mean you would be looking for 80 individuals to fulfill these duties! These numbers may be achievable at a larger event such as the CRC but at places like Clarence and Canberra I think you would be looking for more marshals than you have riders.

2. Am I reading your race format right? Let's say I am riding only one bike - Pre '85 250. And let's say we are at Lake Glenbawn with riders briefing at 9.30 and first bikes on track at 10.00. I am in marshal group 1. I do my flagging which finishes around 11.00. So I'm ready to ride my bike which will not happen until 1.00 and then 18 minutes later for my all powers race. My third race is due at sometime after 5.00 with the all powers race at close to 6.00pm. I then have to pack up and drive 4 hours home getting me home at around 11.00pm. I then have to unload bike and gear so I can drive the car to work in the morning. This of course all assumes that we have had no delays during the day which have put the program behind time. In this case I have marshalled for an hour and been on the bike for about 40 minutes. All over a period of about 14 hours.

I don't want to be negative and am all for coming up with a system that works. It is just that I don't think more marshal changes are going to make a great deal of difference and would in fact place more of a burden on the already difficult task of finding volunteers.

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Re: Proposed Marshalling Format for Heaven Events - It's time to get this fixed
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2011, 05:52:12 pm »
Firstly well done on taking a positive approach to a very long term problem that is not restricted to HEAVEN events only. Marshal duties have been the main source of frustration when it comes to organising race meetings for as long as I can remember.

As far as your proposal goes can you clear up a couple of points for me?

1. Are you suggesting we have 8 seperate marshalling groups? If this is so, say we take a conservative number of 10 marshals points required for a particular track this would mean you would be looking for 80 individuals to fulfill these duties! These numbers may be achievable at a larger event such as the CRC but at places like Clarence and Canberra I think you would be looking for more marshals than you have riders.

2. Am I reading your race format right? Let's say I am riding only one bike - Pre '85 250. And let's say we are at Lake Glenbawn with riders briefing at 9.30 and first bikes on track at 10.00. I am in marshal group 1. I do my flagging which finishes around 11.00. So I'm ready to ride my bike which will not happen until 1.00 and then 18 minutes later for my all powers race. My third race is due at sometime after 5.00 with the all powers race at close to 6.00pm. I then have to pack up and drive 4 hours home getting me home at around 11.00pm. I then have to unload bike and gear so I can drive the car to work in the morning. This of course all assumes that we have had no delays during the day which have put the program behind time. In this case I have marshalled for an hour and been on the bike for about 40 minutes. All over a period of about 14 hours.

I don't want to be negative and am all for coming up with a system that works. It is just that I don't think more marshal changes are going to make a great deal of difference and would in fact place more of a burden on the already difficult task of finding volunteers.

Cheers
Shaun
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Thanks Slakewell and Shaun for your contribution.

Shaun I don't think you negative at all, I invite your comments, my reply to your points is as follows:

1/ The above is an example. The principle I'm suggesting we take is take the total number of riders and divide them by the marshalling points. As an example, if we have 60 riders and 10 marshalling points, we would then have 6 marshalling groups/changes throughout the day. I think 8 groups in a day is the absolute maximum.

2/ Again it is the principle I am suggesting. The time line of your breakdown above is obviously not workable. I did mention in my preamble that I imagine you would start with the format above and then rationalize the format to suit the entry numbers you have for the day. You are correct, you would also plan for the time line you want to work to. Inevitably, you would combine some undersubscribed classes. You have brought up an important point though. If you are a single class rider, your races would be grouped together, possibly with a race or two in between. Some might like this, some might not. I do think it necessary though to manage the groups so their marshalling duties do not interfere with their racing.

On your last point, the other day I Marshalled for the morning session on Saturday. There were 11 races. It was hot and dusty and it was too long out there, more than 2 hours, probably close to 2 1/2. If you can keep the task to around an hour, I think it will be easier to find volunteers. Once the riders got used to it and if the Marshalling Manager was on the ball, the change overs would become quick. The more you do something, the better you get at it.
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Re: Proposed Marshalling Format for Heaven Events - It's time to get this fixed
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2011, 06:24:38 pm »
To be fair we only struggle for flaggies at 2 venues. I was out there Sat and Sun. Do i mind, Hell no. I think it is the best seat in the house.

At the last Clarence meeting i put  a young bloke i know ( not a Heaven member ) on one of my bikes to race. Not only was he quickest rider that day but when asked to take my spot at flagging due to me keeping his mount going he said "absolutely, i have to do it at my club days" Some clubs No flag No ride.

The Committee doesn't want to appoint flaggies, it is up to us riders to do our bit. Fullstop