I bought two sets of rims 2x21 2x18 they are fine , the wheel building guy I know said the same they were a bit softer than some but were fine for old bikes that were not leaping 20 ft up in the air , they were heaps cheaper when I bought them but they must be popular and they banged the price up , when I bought them they were $49.95 a rim then had the 30% off deal so they were a bargain back then , even at $89.95 they seem a good price.