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[odd1]

Well what about if the sidecar you turned up in was'nt period correct it was done on a points basis for instance points deducted for each item that was wrong frame/year 100points  2stroke 90points For each inch above what was correct for that period 50points because lets face it there is not that many pre74 and pre 85s out there that are changing hands The 4strokes are fantastic and you will never beat the sound of 4stroke sidecars off the line. I think for the national titles the bikes have to be period correct however for other races I cant see why the moderns cant race the oldies on a handicap system because there would be alot moderns that would struggle to pass Walters wasp or Popeye and Vaughn on full song. Lets face it, too the general public most of them would'nt be able too tell the difference between an oldee and a modern. But I think they would like to see 20 sidecars racing for the first corner.The tracks would have to be set out for the bikes with the least amount of suspension.

[VMX247]

Well what about if the sidecar you turned up in was'nt period correct it was done on a points basis for instance points deducted for each item that was wrong frame/year 100points  2stroke 90points For each inch above what was correct for that period 50points because lets face it there is not that many pre74 and pre 85s out there that are changing hands The 4strokes are fantastic and you will never beat the sound of 4stroke sidecars off the line. I think for the national titles the bikes have to be period correct however for other races I cant see why the moderns cant race the oldies on a handicap system because there would be alot moderns that would struggle to pass Walters wasp or Popeye and Vaughn on full song. Lets face it, too the general public most of them would'nt be able too tell the difference between an oldee and a modern. But I think they would like to see 20 sidecars racing for the first corner.The tracks would have to be set out for the bikes with the least amount of suspension.

Odd1.
I understand what you are trying to say..Quote me if I'm wrong. 
At a National event the sidecars and solos have to go through scrutineering for era eligibility (usually knowledgeable officials, well one hopes so     ).
At a club level you could possibly run modern and vintage together on the same track (as some clubs do in Oz) in whatever frame you wish,As the Club may well be made up of MA Officials and the whole community of safety,knowledge and MX/VMX spies, I think you maybe questioned on the standard of your sidecar/solo. 
It wouldn't make for a pretty picture if you busted your ass on travel,time and money to go to the event and get told in uncertain terms to pee off..after all there has to be some kind of order..Sometimes we just have to be sheep and follow the leader.

Rock up to an event and get involved or have a yarn to other sidecar enthusiasts and see how you go.
Where are you in Australia. ??
cheers

[odd1]

Sydney NSW

[EML]

Two trains of thought here- as I have said we need more sidecars-there aren't that many about (except in Wallys cellar) so let's race what we can-up to a point. That point is what we could or would call a 'lite weight' i.e. Two stroke 500+/- with single shock.
If we stick to the 500 4 stroke twin shock model we will be safe. We will have more outfits and people will be able to handle them. A copy of a Wasp or VMC chair and forks will do the job-it's cheap and fun-WHAT MORE DO WE NEED!!
There is no better sight or sound than 30 chairs heading up into the first corner and it's not that fast so no-one should get hurt.
I also said that these 500 4 strokes were around in the day- I know because we raced one against others up here. You could even get one into pre75 as Bretts is and Rocky has a BSA in pre68 so all bases are covered.
That's what we will be racing in Qld so get off your arses and build one. Or put one in an older frame and that will protect it from major damage by a big motor. We will still race our big bikes because that's what we have.
The only other alturnative is to run the 100yr rule as one club in England does-driver & passenger & sidecar age must total 100yrs, so young team on old chair verses old team on young chair or a mix of the above.

[odd1]

I like the 100 year rule

[LWC82PE]

I know for a fact that sidecars were put on pre 85 single shock XT550, XL/XR500, XL 600, TT600,  IT400/490 etc back then, perhaps not many were out doing the competitve MX circuit as the big wasp/EML multis were still popular and powerful, but they were competing in club events and Enduros/reliability trials. If the rules are up for discussion and changing my only request would be that a pre 85 sidecar can be put onto any solo bike up to 1984 models and doesnt matter if its twin shock or single shock as long as its a model that was available pre 85. Swing arm lengthening/custom swingarms allowed. Custom built leading links allowed but to look period correct as much as possible. Custom built specials should try to look the right period as much as possible so no copying a 2009 BSU frame and bolting a XS650 or RM500 engine in it if you know what i mean , but with open slather on shocks and other items like bars, rims etc just like in the solo classes, we can never 100% represent a period correclty, There will always be some new parts or cosmetics that were not used back n the day, but generally these have now been accepted in most classes. Another point is that a lot of the old factory frames out there have now had very a very hard life and the frames not like they used to be with many cracks and repairs, so the time will come when we see more home built specials or copies of factory frames. 4 or 5 years ago i saw the first 85 CR500 VMC frame brought to Australia and it had so many welds and repairs i couldnt believe it. Its had a hard life. I havent seen it out competing for some time now though.

[EML]

I think LWC is heading the correct way, however we must watch out for the very light and fast two smokers. Perhaps staying with twin shockers would be ok like TS400 or something like that. Any single shock stuff needs to go into Evo class-the solo boys are already up in arms about sidecars digging up the tracks and from Conondale VMX nats anyone can vouch that single shock solos can make life hard for us all.
You have to remember that the frame makers in Europe usually banked on getting 1/2 a GP season out of a frame and that's without any major mishaps/crashes. The GP bikes were then sold on to National riders and a complete new frame/wheels/shocks etc... was supplied to the works team.
That is why there are often more sidecars from a particular driver than years.

[VMX247]

Very good points. .....
now it needs to go in point form and sent to your club.....
then State Controlling body and then the big Motorcycling Australia for the rule book.
Submit Submit 
Go for it..   .make it happen 
cheers

[EML]

The thing is . it's not a problem here in Qld. But if you think it would help the other states I can do that for you.
Interesting that the last enquires about sidecars have come from NSW- and I'm not sure if they are able to compete there unless the track is fully fenced or some such shit-can anyone enlighten me on that as I can remember racing at Raymond tce in 1986 with John Robinson and then at Woolongong in 1988 I helped the Standage bros. out at a state title meet.