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Marque Remarks => Yamaha => Topic started by: dave on September 22, 2009, 03:42:32 pm
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What's a rough but good running (to race) YZ250G/H go for these days?
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My opinion only Dave, but i reckon A TRUE RACE READY in reasonable nick, would fetch upwards $3k...
OLDYZMAN
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in reasonable nick, would fetch upwards $3k...
From what I hear you could get that just for the sidecovers ;D
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I'm with GMC on that ::)
Depends what you are after at the end of the day. Very non-commital aren't I ? I could tell you what it costs to restore one, but if I published that my wife would kill me :o ;D ;D
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That's what I'm trying to avoid ( a divorce :'() instead of spending 2K + on a rebuild on the bike/wreck I've got!
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if your tossing up whether to buy a basket case and restore or buy one restored the Restored item will always be less expensive. this is the general rule for a race ready bike, a rough runner is a different thing. the money is in the apprearance and cosmetics.
its very satisfying to restore a bike but at the end of the day its MUCH LESS expensive to buy one that's been done.
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You can have mine for 10K, I just have to find it.... ::)
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Totally agree with what Hoony says (as usual). Buy a restored one and you'll be miles ahead. If you add up the price of even the consumables like tyres, chain, sprockets etc etc etc - It doesn't take long to get to the price they are asking for a race ready one. I don't know. I'll put my balls on the line and say less than $4K for a race ready one :-\. It may not look A1 for that, but you could certainly get it mechanically good for that. Depends how fussy you are. Have a look at the price of a new pipe, muffler, rims etc and I think that makes the difference with the looks.
The ravings of a lunatic - probably ::), but you did ask ;)
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I reckon the only problem with buying a race ready one is that there is so many different opinions on "race ready". I got a YZ 250 H a while back from interstate, the bloke talked it up (he was really wearing rose colour glasses) Much to his credit he gave me a part refund -when i justified my opinion. I did a fair bit of work to that bike re tidy up and sold it on evil bay for $1800.00. to a guy in mackay (who gets on the forum sometimes) I lost a bit of $ but heaps of time. I say race ready means "the bike can get a podium finish in a race with a decent rider on it".
OLDYZMAN
Most times the imaculate bikes are true inside and out...
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I'd agree with OLDYZMAN. Race ready means something you could finish races on not push around the pits. I've got a basket case IT250j, but the IT would cost a bucket load and I'm considering finding a basket case YZ to throw money at instead. I've done rebuilds - and know the costs and time invested.
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the hard part is actually finding one for sale !!
God knows how long and how hard I've been looking for a YZ250G, there just isn't any for sale..
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Kev,
You wont believe it but I found another 2 YZ250G frames that I forgot I had. One is just a frame, nothing else. The other has had the bottom craddle cut off from the footpegs to the down tube. Think someone was going to do a big 4 project and lost interest.
Hope to start on the racer soon so then I'll decide what to do with the other and the spare frame.
Hey boys, keep talking the price up. The more the better.
I'm going to have a huge clean out. Complete bikes, NOS plastics & parts, YZ, tanks, some IT bits etc. list soon. Need the money. (Yeah, that old one)
Viper666
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All the cool kids want one it seems, when I was younger these bikes were 10 high at the tip! Now the going rate for a complete bike that can be ridden but probably wants some lovin' is upwards of a grand. I will continue to lavish heaps of funds into my resto just because I have an affinity with the model and era. I like to hear of guys keeping these models alive, but I am familiar with the cost of doing so. When I was hunting down bits for my resto about 6 years ago, I came across a fellow in Brisbane who had a garden shed full of queens of all makes, restored immaculately. At the time he offered his 250H for $3K - NOS everything inc plastic, much too nice to get dirty and I thought it was tempting but I dont own a museum to keep it in. 6 years on, I regret not spending the money to procure that bike as the cost in time and parts has escalated beyond ridiculous, much more than I had originally bargained for by the time you rechrome forks, rebuild forks and shock, repair rusty frames, replace the fragile g/box components, re-bush the swing-arm, and thats before all the common wear items such as rims, sprockets, tyres etc. I am committed now, and I thoroughly enjoy the project. Pay day will be glorious when I fire it up for the first time. Just out of interest, how much could you buy one for in 1980/81?
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They had to be around $1600 to $1800 I reckon. My PE175T cost $1290!
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that would be a bargain by todays standards, an entrepeneur could have stripped and sold off the components of a restored example bought for $3K and probably doubled the investment. Considering high dollar parts like plastics and exhausts fetch 2-3 times more than the dealer price when they surface. In the past few years I have seen NOS white plastics sold for $400 per panel. Any one considering remanufacturing plastics would be safe to tool up for the 80/81 models. I have not had any experience with aftermarket parts for the YZ, but the common complaint seems to be the fit of the items, ie the side panels contact the exhaust, and do not adequately seal the air box. This stuff is rubbish if it does not fit and function as required in my opinion. I would prefer a copy made from graphite or fibreglass, but these would tend to splinter in a crash and potentially be hazardous. How do rules stand on this issue? any-one.
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Plenty of bikes came with fibreglass pieces originally, and plenty more are now fitted with 'glass replicas of unobtainable original plastics - the safety aspect is basically a non-issue.
The fibreglass does break more easily, which is a pain, but not enough of a pain to spend $400++ on NOS plastics...
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I must say that so far I haven't experienced any great dramas in finding parts for my 250G resto. Tons of stuff on eBay, some for quite reasonable prices, and a few easily had from Yamaha. Not sure about plastics yet but my experience with aftermarket is that they always need some work to fit properly so I am not that much worried, especially given mine is to be a racer not a garage queen. Last week I got a full set of cables, gaskets and an inlet manifold through Yamaha, so it's not looking like much of a challenge as yet.
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You should still be able to get front and rear guards from Yamaha, I bought a second back up set for my 465H early this year.
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The guard you get from Yamaha aren't 100% right - they're the later type, with the full 'flare' on the side of the front guard (rather than the short flare of the original G/H guards).
There's a similar difference with the rear ones.
Still a truck-load better looking than the generic UFO guards on my 250G, though...
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There you go - I thought the rear one was the same :-\
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I have several of the new ones. Old new ones & new new ones & an original still on the bike. Same part number, 3r4-21611-10-00, the colour is slightly different but as for the shape I thought is was the same. I have an original and will compare the 3 and report back.
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I'll see if I can find my old original rear guard which is like porcelain and compare it with the new one.
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Gidday
I'm almost finished my YZ250H to what I call a race ready tidy bike and I agree with all the other replies buy one restored. I paid $1500 for a very tired bike that had been restored with a couple of cans of enamel spray paint and have since spent about ( I shudder when I type this)
- Recondition forks, Shock, rebuid engine big end and top end, Clutch, bearings and bushes all round, sprockets and chain, new repro plastics/stickers, seat cover about $3 500 and countless hours stripping and sanding.
But I can tick the box and say that I've done one up now. (I had a ball)
I'll be looking for original restored bikes from now on to add to my collection.
Have fun
Ports
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Bought me a NOS YZ250G rear guard from Yamaha today. They have some still in stock in the warehouse it seems. Took two days to get it in. Correct number and as far as I can tell comparing it to the original I have on the bike, it is identical.
So far I am doing pretty well buying parts for both the IT175G and YZ250G straight from Yamaha...
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Well done Graeme. Any luck with the front guard for the G/H. I got J/K from yamaha. I personally think they look better anyway. Looking forward to seeing a few progress photos - where are you up to ??
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The 250G will take a long time. Very limited time and money... I am just slowly accumulating parts right now. I have managed to come up with all NOS cables, gaskets, inlet manifold, rear fender, fuel tank petcock and so on. Wheel bearings and swingarm bearings through eBay, got an order for a few more odds and sods coming from motoduro.co.uk. I have a front guard that looks like some sort of aftermarket YZ250F part that came off my HL500 that I will clean up and polish for the front. I have some good second hand rims, just needing some spokes for those.
So, a few more bits and pieces to source yet. The plan is to have a rolling chassis by maybe April next year, and with luck have it done late next year. It's gonna be a dirt tracker rather than a motocrosser, although that doesn't mean anything about how I'll build it beyond the fact it'll have a trials tyre on the back...
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I have your spokes here, you will need to source the nipples only
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Ta Darren. Still not sure if I am coming over for the Show and Shine but hope to. Hopefully I will make it and we can catch up there.