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Marque Remarks => Yamaha => Topic started by: paul on July 27, 2009, 07:13:30 pm
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http://cgi.ebay.com.au/YZ250T-1987-Marlboro-Yamaha-VMX_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef71f4cb2QQitemZ270433995954QQptZAUQ5fMotorcyclesQQsalenotsupported
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:o Wowzers!! :o. If your kid starts smoking don't come crying to me...... :-\
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What has it got other than fancy, distinctive livery?
The seller hasn't given much of a description neither pictorial nor text.
On face value I reckon maybe $6-7000.
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WP forks.
Might have an Ohlins/WP shock.
Was set-up/built by Frank Pons back in the day.
It would be a good thing to ride, I'm sure.
The value isn't so much "this is a poop hot race bike", its about the historical significance of the bike. Of that era, the MYTD bikes (esp Bell's) were clearly the iconic bikes that everyone thinks of.
Whether there's $15k worth of historical significance, is entirely another question - I'd say not. An ex-Jimmy Deakin YZ250S failed to sell for $1200 about 18 months ago - admittedly it was in much less-good condition and poorly advertised, but it strongly suggests that bikes of this era don't have the 'wow factor' that translates into dollar value (yet?).
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I saw the bike in real life while in QLD some years ago, it was in a bike shop on display. It was one cool lookin bike!!! Great but expensive show peice 8)
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a freakin work of art!!!(in the eyes of a 16 yr old) :) ok I still love it. Any mid 80's works'ish bike will do.
I painted my (god knows what brand) helmet in dayglo spraycan orange not long after i saw this bike. Probably rendered it useless with solvent paint or something ::) luckily I never landed on my head
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i wonder who,s 465 i have
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i wonder who,s 465 i have
Yours????? ;D
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correct !
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I think from memory the Marlboro bike of Bellys ran the Simons USD forks not WP's this is an immaculate bike I maybe wrong but it could be a replica more than the actual?
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It is a replica Gary. Just has original bits on it like the rear shock that is attached to the rear brake via a cable set up. I nearly owned it back in '01 myself.
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It is a replica Gary. Just has original bits on it like the rear shock that is attached to the rear brake via a cable set up. I nearly owned it back in '01 myself.
Definitely overpriced by a factor of four :-X ::) :P.
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signature says it all #2 ..... Belly was good but not good enough for a flashed up production bike to be worth any more.
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It is a replica Gary. Just has original bits on it like the rear shock that is attached to the rear brake via a cable set up. I nearly owned it back in '01 myself
So is it the very bike Belly rode or is it a replica of that bike? If it's a replica, the seller appears to be misrepresenting what he's selling, alluding that it's the bike Bell rode in '87.
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Glens bike had simmons forks. Those look like white power. I might be wrong but thats what I belive. Also I am sure Glens had Billet Bits everywhere. That looks to have std gear lever.
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I'm almost certain Bellys bike had Simons forks and a shitload of the latest and greatest in billet trickery. It's hard to tell from the photo but to me the bike appears to be a fluro painted stocker with White Power forks. I'd like to see more details of the bike, especially the swingarm/shock/linkage area. I'm certain the Bell bike featured some trick (possibly OW) items in that area. A friend did some welding on the original bike and I spent an afternoon helping him and checking the bike out. A lot of time has passed but I reckon we could spot the welding if this is the bike. The seller is very clever with his wording and doesn't actually say that this is the actual bike....but, he doesn't say it isn't either. It's all smoke and mirrors.
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It is a replica Gary. Just has original bits on it like the rear shock that is attached to the rear brake via a cable set up. I nearly owned it back in '01 myself
So is it the very bike Belly rode or is it a replica of that bike? If it's a replica, the seller appears to be misrepresenting what he's selling, alluding that it's the bike Bell rode in '87.
Your good friend Geoff (tongue in cheek) built the bike who is a good friend of Bell. Bell gave him some trick parts that he had is my understanding. It may well be that the current owner does not know that it is a replica ( just guessing here). Again from memory the current owner paid just in the double figures, but he obviously feels its worth a shit load now. He has probably spent too much time at Dead Dog Racing!
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If its not the real deal I recon its valued at about $5000
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If its not the real deal I recon its valued at about $5000
I dont agree. I reckon its worth $7-8 G's. Front end alone is worth $2500-$3000. It has got some other trick bits as well.
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8 is still a long way from 20
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I dont agree. I reckon its worth $7-8 G's. Front end alone is worth $2500-$3000. It has got some other trick bits as well.
Are they WP or Simmons forks? I assume they must be Simmons if they're worth that much.
$8k minus $3k for the forks brings it back to $5k... And then you'd need to track down a set of standard forks for it.
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If its not the real deal I recon its valued at about $5000
I dont agree. I reckon its worth $7-8 G's. Front end alone is worth $2500-$3000. It has got some other trick bits as well.
What makes the front end worth 2500- $3000. Doesn't look like UDX60 front end to me.
Form all accounts the fluro paint was hell to keep on the plastic and they generated a lot of spares by the end of the season, I'd say you are looking at some.
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Listen i have got an RM500 with the same forks and can toss in Daryl Hurley's yoga mat..... what do you think, 20 grand sound OK. ;D
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Looks like White Power forks to me.
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Looks like White Power forks to me.
There WP the bike Belly rode,had USD Simons,with no lower fork protectors,
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Yeah $2500-3000 is too much i spose. I still reckon its worth at least $7K. Like i said, it has got other trick bits on it. Rear shock for one. I think the rear brake for another. It was back in '01 when i saw it last.
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Brad, the rear brake linked to the rear shock was standard YZ for 85~87. Apparently it wasn't very good - Bell disconnected it for either SX or MX (I can't recall which) because it was actually a hinderance.
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Your good friend Geoff (tongue in cheek) built the bike
Of course, ::) I should have guessed dear old Holmesy would have something to do with it.
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Oh okay. Maybe not as many good bits on it as i thought. $7K is looking a bit of a stretch then :-\
The bike does look fantastic, that is for sure.
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Brad, the rear brake linked to the rear shock was standard YZ for 85~87. Apparently it wasn't very good - Bell disconnected it for either SX or MX (I can't recall which) because it was actually a hinderance.
wasn't that call BASS (brake activated suspension system or something similar) another gimick of the 80's
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I think we are being a little harsh, the bike is clean and ready to rock for pre 90s class.
I remember ditching a 250S (same as T basically) to buy a YZ250U...it was a revelation, discs both end and real grunt off the bottom end.... rather have a nice U.
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I remember when that bike was built and Belly supplied a lot of the parts for it, from memory i think he supplied the forks.
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Can't find a single pic of a Glen Bell YZ250T with WP USDs.
I've been through all of my old ADBs, and there's an early season pic with a set of Simmons USDs, but EVERY other photo shows the bike with the standard Yamaha forks.
Deakin ran WPs pretty consistantly, but if Bell used them, it was for the blink of an eye...
So its not even a good replica! :o
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/annaandnathan/Bikestuff/Bell%20Pics/July28-09Nathan008.jpg)
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/annaandnathan/Bikestuff/Bell%20Pics/July28-09Nathan016.jpg)
A few more here:
http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/annaandnathan/Bikestuff/Bell%20Pics/
The Mallee Masters pic is of an 86 S model.
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Nice Bike, remindes me of Brocky's commodore.
OLDYZMAN
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nice bike
when this post first came on i was going to say something
but i dont need to now ::)
brads right geoff built it up as a replica
and he does have glens simons usd forks they are on his yz490 8)
maybe the guy who got it thought it was the real deal ::)
prob worth $5000-$6500 ;)
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and just to think that i dumped a perfectly good frame a few months ago cause i couldn,t get a carton for it ! any thing ready to rock in that condition has to be worth good money , any one who has built a bike to ride will know the amount of time and money that goes into a pre 85 or 90 bike
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Just heard from old mate & he says it is a rep but glen had a hand in building it. Still not the real deal. I only ever remember Glens bike with Simmons forks not W/P.
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I only ever remember Glens bike with Simmons forks not W/P.
Yeah, if it was an 86 model.
Edit with a bit more careful wording:
Yeah, if it was an 86 model in that paint job.
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Just heard from old mate & he says it is a rep but glen had a hand in building it. Still not the real deal. I only ever remember Glens bike with Simmons forks not W/P.
If that's the case, the seller is certainly misrepresenting what he has. :-\
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Just noticed the pipe is black. Ment to be white.
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New development. I just got this from the guy selling
Gday, I have just had confirmation By Geoff Holmes that this is the Malbaro bike glenn rode.
Geoff is one of Glenns close friends and the one who restored the bike.
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Are these the forks your on about? :-\
(http://i27.tinypic.com/9jhh54.jpg)
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Nice bike, whats it worth time will tell,
Brett
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New development. I just got this from the guy selling
Gday, I have just had confirmation By Geoff Holmes that this is the Malbaro bike glenn rode.
Geoff is one of Glenns close friends and the one who restored the bike.
That may or may not be the case - a buyer would never know - no detailed shots, no information offered, no history, no specs, just reassuring trust ::).
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Firko what welding did your mate do to the bike. Just interested.
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I'm fairly sure there was gusseting around the footpeg area and some other stuff.....I'll ask him at Nepean tomorrow.
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Passed in ; zero bids ::).
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Yeah well 15 grand is kind of an expensive coat of paint. ;D
Its not a factory bike, never won a title, so just an tidy YZ, with apparently a welded frame.... 5 grand
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I asked Glen Bell on the weekend and it isn't his bike. Just a mock up as i said earlier.
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He also said he did use WP forks a couple of times but ended up going back to the stockers.
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so there ;D
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I asked Glen Bell on the weekend and it isn't his bike. Just a mock up as i said earlier.
I wonder if the owner knows that. I think someone here suggested that he doesn't know. He'll be one little 'unhappy camper' when he finds out.
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I wonder if the owner knows that. I think someone here suggested that he doesn't know. He'll be one little 'unhappy camper' when he finds out.
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Well its not like he bought Rogers RH or even Brockies Commodore in the first place, without being an OW its collectible value is low to start with.
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15K for a replica ??? what does make my authentic CR500 of leiskies worth ;)
a bit less now as I have to replace the original centre cases :(
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Hey Bill,
what happened to your cases? did the crank shrouds let go ?
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15K for a replica ??? what does make my authentic CR500 of leiskies worth ;)
If it had RC500 on the cases I would say quite a lot, otherwise just cause Freckles slung a leg doesn't make it worth too much more.