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Title: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on July 08, 2009, 09:46:09 am
You and your club have till 20th July to send in feed back for any item...
Be quick and support Classic MX and our future.


http://www.ma.org.au/AM/Template.cfm?Section=MA_Reports&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentFileID=48388
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia Feedback
Post by: VMX247 on July 08, 2009, 09:47:34 am
June minutes


http://www.ma.org.au/AM/Template.cfm?Section=MA_Reports&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentFileID=48388
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia Feedback
Post by: bert on July 09, 2009, 06:38:12 pm
What a joke.
The Classic Motocross Commission put forward a recommendation and the board simply knocks it on the head.
What is the CMC there for? Isn't it their job to interpret what the VMX community want from their sport and that of the organising body and recommend changes? The MA piggys with their noses in the trough are a waste of time.
And what is this. MA are going to co-sponsor a Nationals Titles event for next year?
Where was the sponsorship support from MA for the last 18 or so years, or this year? My previous comment still stands.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia Feedback
Post by: NSR on July 09, 2009, 08:07:46 pm
So MA is a promoting club now, with paid staff, paid by all licence holders.

Well the nats next year maybe 3lap races but the entry fee will only be $20.00. 
Noel

"The Board endorsed the recommendation for
2010 Broadford Bonanza to proceed.
The Board also endorsed for MA to copromote
the Classic Motocross in conjunction
with the Classic Scramble Club.
D. White also stated that there is potential to
increase the sponsorship income in the range
of $20,000-$30,000.
D. White stated that he is also going to speak
to the TAC for transportation sponsorship"
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia Feedback
Post by: fatboyracing on July 16, 2009, 08:37:00 pm

Quote:YOU JUST HAVE TO READ PAGE SIX OF THE BELOW LINK....Finally today we fill the quota and they pull the rug from under us, Cry  wondering where our classic bikes future is  Huh

You have it wrong the commisson has changed the wording of the rule so there is no set date that the Classic MX or Classic DT events has to be held making it easier for a club or promoter to hold the event when they want instead of having a date listed in the rule book.
The other changes are  so as a Evo and pre 85 championship can be run seperatly if desired, to the other classes to help attract more clubs to the newer disiplines.

I think that these changes will help our VMX clubs to hold and Australian Championship in the future.

Fatboy

Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia Feedback
Post by: fatboyracing on July 16, 2009, 09:03:11 pm
The sidecart stand alone championship was delete  so that there will be only one true Australian  championship and that the event will be combined with the Australian Classic Motocross Championship in future.

No hard feelings VMX 247 :)
Cheers
Fatboy
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Freakshow on October 15, 2009, 11:55:16 pm
Wow that early in the year for the VMX.   the week after the bonanza means a lot including me wont be able to make that journy 2 weekends in a row even if taking just the Dt's over for the bonza, not smart planning yet again, and I adont see a national  DT  so does that mean its got no Taker ?
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: bazza on December 29, 2009, 07:06:04 pm
easy to see why we dont use MNZ in unzud. Just get the land,peg it out and go racing
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: micks on December 29, 2009, 09:10:38 pm
we allready have it, in that the passanger is tested but hay i could go out buy a firebreathing R1 dirt tracker or road racer sidecar and ride it under a normal comp licence.
another rumour has it that the new licence will not have a photo on it.   
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: tony27 on June 12, 2010, 08:37:57 am
easy to see why we dont use MNZ in unzud. Just get the land,peg it out and go racing
Unfortunately ACC is so pissed off with the amount of injuries happening on school etc trailrides that they were going to make all bikes regoed when they jacked the rego up which would have killed all junior riding
Our club has 2 of the commissioners in it & it's only through some serious work that it didn't happen but it does mean that ACC have said that all events must have some MNZ involvement within the next 4 years, I can't see it meaning huge changes to how the VMX events are run as there is a large amount of commonsense in how the tracks are laid out & the event is run. Biggest thing would be the requirement of licenses which I think quite a percentage would already have
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on November 19, 2010, 07:35:00 pm
Just out of curiosity..does any other state have their 2011 draft calender out yet ???
cheers
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: micks on November 22, 2010, 11:27:10 am
mnsw has it up on their website under noticebroad.vmx 247 should we be looking for something?
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Freakshow on November 22, 2010, 01:41:31 pm
I have the national  draft one?
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: micks on May 19, 2011, 09:49:26 am
vmx 247 do you BR1468. if so i think the histric road race already have in their rules.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Freakshow on June 01, 2011, 04:47:15 pm
YEp first page says it all.   well done Col Et al.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on February 28, 2012, 11:03:38 am

MA Rule Change Submissions closing 1 March

February 27, 2012

Motorcycling Australia (MA) would like to advise that rule change submissions must be received by 1 March 2012 to be considered for inclusion in the 2013 Manual of Motorcycle Sport (MoMS).
The MoMS contains the General Competition Rules, which govern the participation and conduct of Motorcycle Sport in Australia. Changes are sometimes made to these rules to make competition easier or fairer, to reflect changes in technology or equipment, or to make the meaning of the rules clearer.

MA acknowledges that those most involved with the sport are in an excellent position to provide feedback on the rules, and encourages those within the Motorcycle Sport community to provide feedback on the current rules.

Clubs, State Controlling Bodies and individuals are welcome to submit suggestions for amendments to existing rules, and suggestions for the addition of new rules, to help make the sport better for our competitors.

All submissions must be returned to MA on an official Rule Amendment or Inclusion Form by C.O.B on 1 March.

Submissions will be forwarded to the relevant Commission for consideration.
To find out more about the Rule Change process or to submit feedback, please visit MoMs Homepage.

rule book online  http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=1770

Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Noel on January 12, 2013, 07:48:19 pm
That's right
Here is the chance for all those that are not happy with the guidelines we ride under to have their say through the proper channels and get something done rather than complain on forums ;D
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: EML on February 19, 2013, 09:26:38 pm
News up here today from out west (of Qld) is that 2 more clubs have pulled the pin on MA and are going it alone with their riders as far as events/insurance et al is concerned.
The Stanthorpe club ( sth west of here) has gone this way some time back and is going great guns, holding good big events with plenty of riders of all ages and pocketing all the dough MA usually grabs.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: EML on February 19, 2013, 09:43:27 pm
No more FIM races for you then Wally
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: pancho on February 20, 2013, 10:36:50 am
 I think the proper response to problems with a controlling body of any type is...
 
 Dont leave it, fix it.
pancho.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Montynut on March 14, 2013, 04:16:52 pm
So does that mean an application for the
2014  Australian Post Classic Motocross Championship
has been submitted or just left off the list
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Freakshow on March 14, 2013, 05:04:11 pm
The first club that will do that in SA will have my full  support .

it was done last week by Tea Tree Gully ( 60 new riders) this weekend at mud and tars, so did a few others.  Any club even today has the right to host up to 4 come and try days of there own per year ( free permit wise) 
you been asleep wally
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on May 09, 2013, 01:27:38 pm
My bitch for today

Rider Levy gone up  >:(  cough it up clubs  >:(
First aid certificates for officals and (level ones)practice days  >:(
Now we have to get trees checked for saftey...arent they carbon credits for our clubs and too help give out oxygen against the two strokes...  >:(

this shits killing our sport and does not encourage new riders at all.  >:( 
WORLD GONE MAD   >:(
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Rookie#1 on May 09, 2013, 01:31:00 pm
My bitch for today

Rider Levy gone up  >:(  cough it up clubs  >:(
First aid certificates for officals and (level ones)practice days  >:(
Now we have to get trees checked for saftey...arent they carbon credits for our clubs and too help give out oxygen against the two strokes...  >:(

this shits killing our sport and does not encourage new riders at all.  >:( 
WORLD GONE MAD   >:(

Ummmm......WHAT THE FUK deems a tree to be un safe!!?? I'd love to see the rule book and guidelines for that inspection process :D gawd almighty! ::)
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: John Orchard on May 09, 2013, 01:36:04 pm
Yep I've had enough of all the crap, time for something new/change.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: firko on May 09, 2013, 01:41:58 pm
I'm so over MA and the state bodies and their cash grabs. The organisation started out to look after motorcyclists rights and to promote the sport but they've morphed into a money grabbing autocracy whose only reason for being seems to be to suck money off the little guy and his club....kind of like government and big business. When was the last time these pricks did something that assisted the little guy racer and the small club or promoter?

They're driving people away from the sport in droves but the pricks are so set on figuring the next way of making a quid out of us they're blinded to our needs. >:(
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on May 09, 2013, 01:42:29 pm

Ummmm......WHAT THE FUK deems a tree to be un safe!!?? I'd love to see the rule book and guidelines for that inspection process :D gawd almighty! ::)

just the shire and DEC telling clubs what to do...silver city has too keep busy I suppose  ::)
That also bring it too the point of why we need good strong committees and memebership to work hard together  :P
and what Firko said  ;D
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: HVA61 on May 09, 2013, 02:01:21 pm
Generally termites , fungal diseases , root rot , salinity problems and in some cases old age make trees very unsafe.

Many circuits are surrounded by trees and particularly the pit/spectator areas which present rather significant public liabilty issues.

Tree checks would be carried out annualy by Tree Doctors or Arborists qualified in this type of assesment.

Motor Cycling Australia are our governing body and modern society requires modern solutions particulary in repect to insurance liabilities , so the gradual rises we see in levies are generally link to insurance repsonsabilites.

So lets not be to hard on the governing bodies ,
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Rookie#1 on May 09, 2013, 02:08:17 pm
Generally termites , fungal diseases , root rot , salinity problems and in some cases old age make trees very unsafe.

Many circuits are surrounded by trees and particularly the pit/spectator areas which present rather significant public liabilty issues.

Tree checks would be carried out annualy by Tree Doctors or Arborists qualified in this type of assesment.

Motor Cycling Australia are our governing body and modern society requires modern solutions particulary in repect to insurance liabilities , so the grdual rises we see in levies are generally link to insurance repsonsabilites.

So lets not be to hard on the governing bodies ,

There's always more to it I guess, so Rob what is the safety aspect/risk they're inspecting for? Is it about trees that won't take someone crashing into them too well or the unexpected fall risk should they be in areas that are likely to have lots of spectators/participants nearby?
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: firko on May 09, 2013, 02:16:34 pm
Quote
So lets not be to hard on the governing bodies
So lets take it out on the insurance companies that milk our hard earned dollar in every facet of our lives. Public risk liability and OH&S are killing small business, sports associations and just about any organisation that has human interaction involved. The leeches are continually finding new ways to scare government and administration bodies into adopting new legislation (and more expensive insurance coverage) to protect us from ourselves. Look behind everything we do in modern society and you'll find a smiling fat cat insurance company stuffing hundred dollar bills into its pockets by the millions.

Whew....That's got my two pet hates, insurance companies and MA off my chest in one fell swoop. I feel better now. ;D
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: evo550 on May 09, 2013, 02:21:15 pm
We had the same problem with MA requiring all trees to be removed within 3 meters of the track outline, but the local council stepped in and said 2 species where protected up here and it was illegal to remove them (Boab and Bauhinia), so now we have these 200yr old monsters as track markers.
My assumption was that MA would come back with a "OK so now you have to move the track away from the trees" solution, but no they have just passed it as it stands...trees and all.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Shaun G on May 09, 2013, 02:31:55 pm
Whew....That's got my two pet hates, insurance companies and MA off my chest in one fell swoop. I feel better now. ;D

Hey Firko as MA self-insure these days I would say that your two pet hates have become one in the same. How's that for progress?  ;D

Cheers
Shaun
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Simo63 on May 09, 2013, 02:36:02 pm
We had the same problem with MA requiring all trees to be removed within 3 meters of the track outline,

Surely that's more to do with the risk that a rider will hit the tree rather than the tree dropping a branch onto the rider
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Simo63 on May 09, 2013, 02:37:06 pm
Whew....That's got my two pet hates, insurance companies and MA off my chest in one fell swoop. I feel better now. ;D

Hey Firko as MA self-insure these days I would say that your two pet hates have become one in the same. How's that for progress?  ;D

Cheers
Shaun

You might find they have their own policy underwritten and that is what might be causing the rises.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Shaun G on May 09, 2013, 02:44:32 pm
Yeah Simo basically MA is now an insurance company. Here is some background from their web site.



Background

Insurance has been a major issue not only for Motorcycling Australia but for most other sporting organisations.

Following the insurance crisis that escalated during 2001/02, Motorcycling Australia formed its own insurance company (MA Insurance Limited) to ensure our sport had a viable future in what were difficult times.

MA Insurance Limited

MA Insurance Limited commenced business on 1 January 2003 and covers Personal Accident Insurance for competitors, officials and others and the first $2 Million of risk in a $50 million liability policy. Both these policies have been granted an exemption under Government legislation to provide cover as they are designed to do.

In addition to this, MA has developed a third policy which has also been granted an exemption - this policy is for Australian competitors who are competing overseas. It is underwritten by MA Insurance Limited and managed by Aon, our broker, and offers a simple process and application to effect this insurance for any rider with overseas ambitions.

Cheers
Shaun
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Brian Watson on May 09, 2013, 02:47:41 pm
Try sitting on the SCB Board , like I did for 5 years.....believe it or not it's not all about revenue raising.... Anyone from QLD can answer you the fun they have.. MAQLD have many times more money in the coffers than any other states combined... look at the Wyaralong property... and also Broady from a Vic perspective... wish we had done something like that long ago in WA... sit on the other side of the fence...you may get a suprise..
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: HVA61 on May 09, 2013, 03:01:29 pm
i would expect that the due diligence and associated risk would be two fold , proximity of the hazard in respect to crash injury and also the hazard in repsect to damage associated with a falling tree or part there of. etc.

Shauns absolutley correct relating to the MA insurance policies . The policies are however still underwritten by others parties.
This a rather unique way of capping costs for the MA group , otherwise insurance costs could reach unsustainable levels.

I recently  competed overseas and utilised the MA overseas rider policy through Aon and it was very uncomplicated , very comprehensive in its coverage and it was in place same day as we made the application.

Some may think not , but we have some good people at MA , very capable of thinking outside the square.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: John Orchard on May 09, 2013, 03:53:45 pm
MA are struggling for money but they just bought a $10K CZ, I guess at least all their bikes can be snapped-up cheap when they go bust?
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: evo550 on May 09, 2013, 03:57:39 pm
We had the same problem with MA requiring all trees to be removed within 3 meters of the track outline,

Surely that's more to do with the risk that a rider will hit the tree rather than the tree dropping a branch onto the rider
Yeah, I'm sure it does, but this was added to a list of requirements to be met before a scheduled annual track inspection at the end of this month. It just amused me that they where happy for us to cut down a number of 200 yr old tree for track safety, but hadn't considered leaving the tree and moving the track ....after all the tree was there long before we came along.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Rookie#1 on May 09, 2013, 04:24:20 pm
MA are struggling for money but they just bought a $10K CZ.

I suspect I may know exactly who's behind that  :D ;)  I think we should be a little careful in how much we slag off the #1 governing body in the sport though. Of course everyone has a right to air there opinion but sometimes not all decisions are completely understood by both sides of the fence. That doesn't necessarily make them bad or wrong decisions. Just like common law in general you don't have to agree with it and how it all works to know that we'd pretty screwed without it!
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Tim754 on May 09, 2013, 07:04:02 pm
Just back from a holiday up north in the FNQ tropics, here is a lovely letter from MA asking me why I had not renewed my MA stewards license. First up I have explained this already to them twice , being as I now work 48 weekends a year...... Now comes with an attachment telling me I have to fork out $11 for the renewal AND $100 non refundable for bullshit "working with children "certificate.  Yep that does get up my goat in many ways!
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: SLAWESY on May 09, 2013, 09:52:29 pm
Quote
So lets take it out on the insurance companies that milk our hard earned dollar in every facet of our lives. Public risk liability and OH&S are killing small business, sports associations and just about any organisation that has human interaction involved. The leeches are continually finding new ways to scare government and administration bodies into adopting new legislation (and more expensive insurance coverage) to protect us from ourselves. Look behind everything we do in modern society and you'll find a smiling fat cat insurance company stuffing hundred dollar bills into its pockets by the millions.

I'll be seatbelts on MXers soon enough.. >:(
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: micks on May 10, 2013, 10:49:57 am
tim 754 we don`t have the "working with childern cert" yet in NSW but it`s only time i guess.
so you fork out $100 out your pocket and pass the cert you can`t get a  back from MA.
i gather you are a level 4 as you are quoting MA but is this the same for MV
 
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: JAP 454 on May 10, 2013, 11:11:01 am
Key officials in NSW have to sign a Working with Children statement as it stands now.
Foss
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: firko on May 10, 2013, 11:24:58 am
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Key officials in NSW have to sign a Working with Children statement as it stands now.
What exactly is a 'Working with Children' certificate? It sounds like political correctness run amok ::).
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: JAP 454 on May 10, 2013, 11:44:34 am
You got it , Firko !! Here 'tis, last page in this Officials application form, http://www.motorcycling.com.au/PDF_Files/Seminars/s_officialslicenceapp_130612a.doc
Foss
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Simo63 on May 10, 2013, 11:54:43 am
Quote
So lets take it out on the insurance companies that milk our hard earned dollar in every facet of our lives. Public risk liability and OH&S are killing small business, sports associations and just about any organisation that has human interaction involved. The leeches are continually finding new ways to scare government and administration bodies into adopting new legislation (and more expensive insurance coverage) to protect us from ourselves. Look behind everything we do in modern society and you'll find a smiling fat cat insurance company stuffing hundred dollar bills into its pockets by the millions.

I'll be seatbelts on MXers soon enough.. >:(

Lol  Lawsy ... the last thing I want is to be strapped to the damn bike if it's going down .. or up .. or anyway other than around the track  ;D.  But I get your drift ... before you know it we may have to have those little helmet lifting airbag systems .. and who knows what else will come along  ::) 

Although the older (and more fragile) I get the more I need protection .... from myself  ;D
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Montynut on May 10, 2013, 12:08:12 pm
You got it , Firko !! Here 'tis, last page in this Officials application form, http://www.motorcycling.com.au/PDF_Files/Seminars/s_officialslicenceapp_130612a.doc
Foss


The Child Protection Declaration is not a certificate it is a requirement by the Government that any person that 'works' with children either paid or unpaid must declare that they are not prohibited from doing so and also submit that a police check can be carried out.

Remember that officials are across the sport so someone that applies for say a Clerk of the Coarse licence for MX meetings can carry out that duty at a VMX meeting or a junior MX meeting.

All club officials, coaches etc must also fill out the same declaration. This applies across all sports and businesses. If you run a mowing business and have a contract to mow a school lawn then they will ask you for a declaration. Well that is NSW I assume the same in other states
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: John Orchard on May 10, 2013, 12:59:12 pm
Yeh to become an MA coach I had to get a government 'working with children' card.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Davey Crocket on May 10, 2013, 01:08:01 pm
I had to get a "blue card" last year when I got onto the QVMX committee, piece a piss, MQ does everything and it cost nothing.....all I had to do was fill the form out.......if you want to get into the nitty gritty stuff like you cant take a photo with any kids in it unless you have the parents permission (might end up on a porn site ???).....the shit goes on.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: JAP 454 on May 10, 2013, 01:17:32 pm
As I said, officials have to sign a WWC " statement", ie. declaration, in NSW, however , there are differing requirements in most states. P 278 current GCRs.
Foss
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Colin Jay on May 10, 2013, 01:42:38 pm
Along with being an offical and coach with MSA, I am also a volunteer with both the local Rotary Club and the local hospitals which includes several aged care facilities. For all of these roles I am required to undergo a Police Check and be issued with a certificate to verify that I am suitable to work with children, the elderly and the disabled. The requirement for the Police Check has been around for quite some time for volenteer organisations and I have never had any dificulties with it.  In some ways I rip off the SA government as I renew my certification through Country Health SA and therefore the SA goverment pays the fees while I use the same certificate for my MSA and Rotary roles as well.

CJ
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Simo63 on May 10, 2013, 01:57:03 pm
In some ways I rip off the SA government as I renew my certification through Country Health SA and therefore the SA goverment pays the fees while I use the same certificate for my MSA and Rotary roles as well.

CJ

How do you sleep at night Col  :)
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: bazza on May 10, 2013, 02:14:45 pm
Dont forget police check if you want to be a santa
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: firko on May 10, 2013, 02:48:26 pm
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Dont forget police check if you want to be a santa
I understand the need for a clearance to work with kids but isn't it a sad reflection on how far society has fallen? I was Santa at my works Christmas Picnic for 10 years and never needed any sort of background checks. I was speaking to an old workmate late last year and she told me about the various clearances one now needs to play Santa at the company Christmas party. She was having trouble finding a suitable person who had all of the correct paperwork and was asking me if I had the certificates. It was the first time I'd heard of such a thing so I had to knock back the invitation. It's a shame as I got as much joy out of playing Santa as the kids did. I told her that if they ever wanted me to do it again I'd go through with whatever clearances I needed for them. I guess there have always been paedophiles lurking behind trees but due to the availability of kiddie porn on the internet we're today all more aware and cautious. I'm genuinely saddened that humanity has sunk to such a low that we need all of these checks and balances but if it saves one kid from these slime, it's one bit of political correctness legislation I'll gladly put up with. 
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: SLAWESY on May 10, 2013, 03:26:01 pm
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I had to get a "blue card" last year when I got onto the QVMX committee, piece a piss,

Sure is that easy, I needed one for coaching footy.. pretty simple fill in the form, pay the fee. Absolutely forking useless. Every pedophile from here to Timbuctoo would have one I'm sure. Another box ticking fee gathering exercise keeping the otherwise unemployable in work for some Government department.  ???
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: pancho on May 10, 2013, 06:03:48 pm
 As stated before there is no cost involved in N.S.W. My wife and I had Kids staying with us at various times through our membership in Rotary, we filled in the forms also my son who was living here. No cost involved and no fuss or bother.
cheers pancho.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: micks on May 24, 2013, 09:50:30 pm
chain guard on, chain guard off, chain gaurd on - cmx343
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Commissions___Committees/CMX_Minutes_2013.pdf
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: matcho mick on May 24, 2013, 10:25:54 pm
chain guard on, chain guard off, chain gaurd on - cmx343
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Commissions___Committees/CMX_Minutes_2013.pdf
fuggg,wheres me burbon,i need to clear my head, ???  :P
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Rookie#1 on May 25, 2013, 02:16:25 am
Well at least Mr.Baker has got some (small) recognition in the submissions he's put forward. Well done that man :)
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: ricakk on May 25, 2013, 08:51:01 am
you should at least be from the north pole to be santa
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: dkupf on May 25, 2013, 08:07:00 pm
Micks. The way I read it you don't need one because the rule in Mom's "All Disciplines" (12.8.8.6) says other than CMX/CDT, and there isn't anything  in the Rule Information Bullentins yet. But it does look like it's only a matter of time until you need  to fit one. If I'm wrong please someone tell me because I would hate to drive all the way down to the QLD titles to get knocked back at scrutineering :-\. Darcy
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: micks on May 25, 2013, 08:32:47 pm
dkupf there for next year 2014 if they are past by the states committees/bodies. hope this helps
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: KTM47 on May 28, 2013, 09:57:13 am
I not sure if I will just open up a can of worms with this but here goes.

Right now it doesn't appear that my state Qld are enforcing countershaft sprocket covers, but they have always been required on all bikes under Pre 78 because the front sprocket is more than 30mm from the swing arm pivot as per GCR 12.8.8.5.

Please note 12.8.8.1 is referring to primary drive (eg Maico) that is why (the drive connecting engine to clutch) has been added. 

12.8.8.6 is referring to the rear sprocket it really should say (chain guide) all modern bikes have a chain guide that can prevent something being drawn into the rear sprocket. I believe the reason it says (other than CMX/CDT) is because older bikes don't have this.

That means all bikes with the front sprocket rear teeth within 30mm of the swing arm pivot do not have to have a sprocket cover (from about 1980 up) when racing in modern MX meetings.

However in last years MOMS 2012 the rules 18.5.1.9, 18.5.2.8, 18.5.4.8, 18.5.5.7, 18.5.6.8, 18.5.7.6 and 18.5.8.6 were added which state "Countershaft sprocket covers will be fitted".

So if you haven't got one maybe you should get one. Also bar pads are required on EVO, Pre 85 and Pre 90 bikes, but for some stupid reason not on anything older.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Tim754 on May 30, 2013, 03:19:17 pm
 Yes reading between the lines I agree with you entirely , is a pain the items bought up  KTM47 . So to all out there .

Counter shaft sprocket covers, counter shaft sprocket covers, counter shaft sprocket covers . Here is an idiot proof way to put your perplexed, over active, brains at rest.
JUST BUY OR MAKE ONE AND FIT IT ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and yep no more worries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH NO  The approx 300 grams extra weight may totally ruin my machines performance.     Shit come on ::)
Title: Re: So whats needed !!
Post by: VMX247 on August 11, 2013, 11:16:44 am
for a National event, which is similar  to an Open event.
Welcome to add on !

Steward ~level 4
Clerk of Course ~ level 4
Race Secretary ~ Level 4
Assistant Race secretary X2 ?
Sponsorship Applications 2-4
Flaggies 15-20
Announcer 1-2
Start gates 2-4
Finish line 2-3
Timing 3-5
Media/Marketing/Promotions 2-4
Scrutineer's 2-4  level 4
Water truck driver 2-3
Track assist/markers 4-6
Signage 2-4
Canteen 10-15
Toilets/Rubbish 2-3
Drug/Alcohol/Noise testing 3-5

Permit 3-5k to be corrected
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: supersenior 50 on August 11, 2013, 11:39:21 am
Good info. Alli. MA fee is reduced since the split, I think $2500.00 now.
We did Wyaralong with less personel than your list, but you have given a good guide to what's involved.
We would gladly help any club willing to put on the Nats.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on August 12, 2013, 09:24:50 pm
ahh forgot the Trophy Purchasing Officer  :D
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia NSW Steps up to the plate
Post by: VMX247 on October 24, 2013, 08:34:33 pm
Motorcycle Racing Returns to Blayney Show-grounds
Posted: Thursday, 24th October, 2013 : 2:59 PM - - 302 Reads

Motorcycle racing will return to the Blayney Show-ground next month for the staging of the 2013 New South Wales Senior Track Championship meeting on November 2.

 There is a great history of long track racing at show-ground tracks in the central west of the state after former world speedway champion Ivan Mauger staged meetings at the Bathurst Show-ground in 1989, 1990 and 1991.

 The Panorama Motor Cycle Club then took over the reins and promoted an annual meeting at Bathurst from 1995 through to 2005.

 From 2006 it was the Blayney Show-ground that hosted long track racing through until 2010, but in the past two years the Panorama Club did not stage a meeting due to a number of reasons.

 So that the tradition of a major annual meeting, normally around early November, continues the controlling body of the sport in New South Wales has stepped in to organise the 2013 meeting that will hopefully ensure it continues into the future.

 Like the majority of meetings staged at Bathurst and Blayney over the years, the November 2 meeting will have plenty riding on it with New South Wales titles on the line.

 In a first for Blayney this year will see a day / night meeting with temporary lighting in place to allow racing to continue through to around 10pm.

 Entries for the meeting will be taken through to the end of this week allowing organisers to formulate the program.

 Fans travelling from Sydney will have the opportunity to call at Ash’s Speedway Museum at Bathurst on the way through to Blayney. Museum curator Ash will announce the earlier opening time for the museum once the race program is complied.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Ted on October 24, 2013, 08:46:50 pm
November 2 huh. Well why didn't they STEP UP and organise the Nats in Canberra?
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: EML on October 24, 2013, 09:20:46 pm
Very good point Ted
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on October 24, 2013, 09:46:13 pm
November 2 huh. Well why didn't they STEP UP and organise the Nats in Canberra?

wasnt that a club issue..anyways the switched on people have worked together with MA to hold the Classic Nats at QMP.
cheers
edit..not saying others arent switched on  :)
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: micks on October 25, 2013, 10:00:48 am
if MNSW stepped up and ran the titles in Canberra it wouldn`t have been an australian title it would have been a nsw title. so good on the Queenslander`s for saving the aussie title.   
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Ted on October 25, 2013, 10:02:48 am
Well how can Motorcycling Queensland run an Aussie title but Motorcycling NSW can't
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: micks on October 25, 2013, 10:50:34 am
good point Ted i think you may have to ask MNSW
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: GMC on October 25, 2013, 10:56:03 am
if MNSW stepped up and ran the titles in Canberra it wouldn`t have been an australian title it would have been a nsw title. so good on the Queenslander`s for saving the aussie title.

????? How did you work that out.


It takes more than just the governing body to put an event on, it also need the clubs to be interested and support it, if the right people aren't pushing for it then it ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Davey Crocket on October 25, 2013, 10:58:05 am
Maybe MA is feeling the pinch with events being cancelled everywhere and have told the State bodies to step up and run events....money would be the only consideration to them I would think (like how to get more out of us) This is where I don't understand MNSW, I know you have that stupid Speedway act but if there where more tracks in NSW then there would be more events/riding....and more money for them and MA. You guys in NSW need to get some pollie's on board, tell them how great motorcycling is for youth.....motor functions, health (we are an obese country), team players, bla, bla ,bla. Get a delegation together (pollies/councillers/govt departments/motorcycle industry etc) and come up to QMP, Ray would be only to happy to show them around and talk of the benefits.....there you go Nathan, hold your hand up and be part of it. It's money printing machine. ;)
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: micks on October 25, 2013, 02:37:32 pm
sorry i should wrote  "titles in Canberra I THINK it wouldn`t have been a australian title"
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on September 15, 2014, 09:55:16 am
Heres your chance



Motorcycling Australia

September 9
.


Motorcycling Australia (MA) would like to advise the public of multiple vacant Commission positions to be held for a period of three years.

 Positions becoming vacant at the conclusion of 2014 are:

 Road Race – President
 Motocross – Commissioner
 Speedway – Commissioner
 Quad – Commissioner
 Historic R R – Commissioner
 Classic Motocross – President
 Dirt Track & Track – President
 Supermoto – Commissioner
 Trials – President
 Enduro – President and commissioner one for 3 year term the other for 2 year term

 More info here: http://bit.ly/1At6FSC
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on November 03, 2014, 09:47:39 am
Post Classics April 2015

2015 National Calendar released

http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=12&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=14073&tx_ttnews[backPid]=6&cHash=d44e6a1403
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Slakewell on November 03, 2014, 02:09:12 pm
11-12 Apr
Classic Motocross
Australian Post Classic Motocross Championship
Ravenswood, VIC
Bendigo Motorcycle Club
Peter Clarke
0438 530 8885

Not my Fav track but it's OK
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on April 22, 2015, 05:30:56 pm
Final call: Volunteer officials at SPG
April 22, 2015
MOTORCYCLING Australia (MA) wishes to advise that final expressions of interest for volunteer official positions at the 2015 World Speedway Grand Prix (SGP) at Etihad Stadium on 24 October, 2015 are now being taken.
plications for the roles of Track and Flag Marshals, in addition to other official positions, can be downloaded from here, and must be returned to MA by COB 30 April, 2015.
Applications must be sent to:

Claire Lawrence
 National Risk and Compliance Manager
 Motorcycling Australia
 Tel: (03) 9684 0516
 E: [email protected]

Appointment of New Commissioners
April 20, 2015
The Board of Motorcycling Australia is pleased to announce it has recently appointed two new Commissioners to fulfil vacancies within the MA Commissions.
Appointments have been made to the Speedway and Classic Motocross/Classic Dirt Track Commissions.  All positions on the Commission are voluntary.
Commission
 
Recent Commissioner Appointment
 Speedway
 Shane Parker
 Classic Motocross & Classic Dirt Track
 Nicholas Maxfield ~~ West Aussie dude on a AJS
 For a complete list of Commissions/Commissioners please visit the MA website at www.ma.org.au. 

The Commissions are an integral element of the MA structure, and are responsible for reviewing feedback received on the current Rules and putting forward Rule change recommendations to the MA Board. 

Rule changes are made to make competition easier or fairer, to reflect changes in technology or equipment, or to make the meaning of a Rule clear. MA encourages those within the Motorcycle Sport community to provide feedback on the current Rules. 

To find out more about the Rule Change process or to submit feedback, please visit the Competition section of the MA website at www.ma.org.au.


Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Ted on April 22, 2015, 06:08:58 pm
Some more from today's Media Release.

                                   Objects of Motorcycling Australia.

Motorcycling Australia ( MA ) is committed to promoting transparency of the organisation to its members and the general motorcycling community.

MA is a not-for-profit organisation and monies received are channelled back into the development of motorcycle sport across the country.

The company is established solely to:

( d ) adopt, formulate, issue, interpret, implement and amend from time to time General Competition Rules including regulations and appendices ( GCR )  blah blah


Who writes this stuff?

Ben Rowles

Eskimo Media Group



Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: micks on May 07, 2015, 10:16:45 pm
http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Event_Documents/2015/Classic_MX_Classic_Dirt_Track_Commission_Minutes.pdf

the link to the commissions rule changes for next year   maybe
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: evo550 on May 07, 2015, 11:01:52 pm
Clear defined roles of Scrutineers.....WOW FINALLY!!!!
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Nathan S on May 08, 2015, 12:23:23 pm
All seems warm and fuzzy and that the Commission is keen to listen.... until anyone talks about Evo... FFS.

Logbooks worry me because lots of people drag bikes out of the shed and go racing (even at National level). Unless the logbook is free or very close to free, and very easy to obtain, then they'll be a dis-incentive for people to enter.
We're not historic road racing - the budgets and the egos are much smaller.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Ted on May 08, 2015, 01:31:32 pm
I find it strange that a guy appointed to investigate the Commissioner is in attendance and advising on rules and technical matters with him. ::)

I wonder if the shop will take back the chain guard I welded to my swingarm now that it is, after all, ok to trap your body parts in the final drive. FFS
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: supersenior 50 on May 08, 2015, 04:49:35 pm
Ted, would you please expand on what you find strange. Do you feel the person you allude to is either biased or incompetent? When you elaborate on that perhaps you could expand on who or what you think brought about the chain guard issue. I also fitted guards to four bikes (sure didn't weld them though) so am interested in your take on that issue.
If you could be more specific it may provide the basis for constructive discussion.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Nathan S on May 08, 2015, 06:14:03 pm

MA appointed a supposedly impartial person to investigate the complaints made against the chair of the commission. Now the investigator is sitting in on Commission meetings, which could appear to be a sign of partiality.

Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: KTM47 on May 08, 2015, 06:30:20 pm
I think the criticism of the MA appointed investigator is unfair. Read the minutes, one commission member withdraw from the discussion RE EVO rules.

Kevin
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: micks on May 08, 2015, 07:51:48 pm
yer ted   chain guard on, chain guard off, chain guard on, chain guard off
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: KTM47 on May 08, 2015, 09:05:12 pm
Just because the minutes recommend the rule be changed again for the fourth time doesn't mean the MA board will agree to it.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Slakewell on May 08, 2015, 09:13:38 pm
I really dont know why some of you even try and discuss the rules on this forum. You would get quicker and better results standing outside and pissing into the breeze.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on July 15, 2015, 04:24:52 pm
Save the Sheep for the Kiwi's and Save the Cows for Milking  :) (livestock eat them and usually die of starvation)


RULE INFORMATION BULLETIN for Tear-Off Ban in MX, Classic MX and ATV
Motorcycling Australia (MA) would like to advise of the latest Rule Information Bulletin pertaining to Tear-Offs in MX, Classic MX and ATV.
The latest Rule Amendment can be found by clicking here, or under the 'Rule Information and Rule Interpretation Bulletins' section of the MA website.
Media and Communications?Motorcycling Australia   /    Home   /    News   /    News Single     
Rule Information Bulletin for Tear-Offs
July 15, 2015
MOTORCYCLING Australia (MA) would like to advise of the latest Rule Information Bulletin pertaining to Tear-Offs in MX, Classic MX and ATV.
The latest Rule Amendment can be found by clicking here, or under the 'Rule Information and Rule Interpretation Bulletins' section of the MA website.

Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: smed on July 15, 2015, 06:03:12 pm
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/05b2881ba56be689a04d41b58/files/RULE_INFORMATION_BULLETIN_for_Tear_Off_Ban_in_MX_Classic_MX_and_ATV.pdf

This is it, roll off's for us all after 1 Jan 2017, better use up that big stack of tear off's :-X 
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on July 15, 2015, 06:04:56 pm
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/05b2881ba56be689a04d41b58/files/RULE_INFORMATION_BULLETIN_for_Tear_Off_Ban_in_MX_Classic_MX_and_ATV.pdf

This is it, roll off's for us all after 1 Jan 2017, better use up that big stack of tear off's :-X

plenty of notice for riders  :) not unlike the new helmet ruling.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: smed on July 15, 2015, 06:14:01 pm

[/quote] not unlike the new helmet ruling.

[/quote]

What's the new helmet ruling Ali?
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on July 15, 2015, 06:23:46 pm
not unlike the new helmet ruling.
[/quote]
What's the new helmet ruling Ali?
[/quote]

16.8.1
must carry label or mark Australian Standard AS1698 issued by accredited certifier or approved under FIM tech rules.
and

No more
16.8.21
USA) DOT federal Standard No 218 and Snell M2005.
Europe) NP
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Tossa on July 15, 2015, 06:51:21 pm
not unlike the new helmet ruling.
What's the new helmet ruling Ali?
[/quote]

16.8.1
must carry label or mark Australian Standard AS1698 issued by accredited certifier or approved under FIM tech rules.
and

No more
16.8.21
USA) DOT federal Standard No 218 and Snell M2005.
Europe) NP
[/quote]

Not quite right Alison


16.8.2 Approval labels for helmets
 
 
16.8.2.1 Helmets must carry one of the following approval labels:

a) Europe ECE 22 – 05 ‘P’ or ‘J’ [Label affixed inside the helmet]
b) USA SNELL  M2010, M2015
 [Label affixed inside the helmet]
c) Japan JIS T 8133: 2007 [Label affixed inside the helmet]
d) Australia Standards Association of Australia AS1698

 
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: DR500 on July 15, 2015, 09:01:45 pm
same ruling now for road use
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on August 10, 2015, 06:25:46 pm
2015 Australian Motocross of Nations team:  8)  8) Aussie Aussie Aussie oi oi oi  8)  8)

MX1:        Todd Waters
MX2:        Jay Wilson
MX3:        Dean Ferris
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: EML on August 18, 2015, 07:31:21 pm
so who's in the 1st ever Australian sidecarcross team for the scx of Nations?
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on November 05, 2015, 04:13:39 pm
so who's in the 1st ever Australian sidecarcross team for the scx of Nations?

Anthony's and all of the crew  :D 

2016

http://www.mcnews.com.au/2016-motorcycling-australia-calendar/
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on February 12, 2016, 01:10:53 pm
 8)  8) Woohoo   8) 8)

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Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Rossvickicampbell on February 12, 2016, 01:51:26 pm
awesome  ;D
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: shelpi on February 14, 2016, 03:24:29 pm
Excellent  8)
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: micks on June 25, 2016, 09:49:41 pm
here we go again     http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Commissions___Committees/2016_Commission_Minutes/Classic_MX_and_Classic_DT_April_2016.pdf
CMX 417
 chain guard on, chain guard off, chain guard on, chain guard off, chain guard on 
 but well through out rationale   heaven vmx
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Ted on June 26, 2016, 07:04:03 pm
Did you read the bit on the S1 Maico?  Eligible for Evolution but illegal for Pre 85/90

This mob has well and truly lost the plot
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on January 13, 2017, 06:21:22 pm
PLEASE CONSIDER REQUESTING YOUR CLUB MOVE TO PRE 95  :)  :D


Rule change submissions now due
January 10, 2017

Motorcycling Australia (MA) would like to advise that rule change submissions for the 2018 Manual of Motorcycle Sport (MoMS) must be received by Friday 03 March.


The Manual contains the General Competition Rules, which govern the participation and conduct of Motorcycle Sport in Australia. Changes are sometimes made to these rules to make competition easier or fairer, to reflect changes in technology or equipment, or to make the meaning of the rules clearer.
 
Clubs, State Controlling Bodies and MA Members are welcome to submit suggestions for amendments to existing rules, and suggestions for the addition of new rules, to help make the sport better for our competitors.
 
Submissions must be completed on the official Rule Change Form and returned to Nicole Van der Sant via email at [email protected] no later than the 3rd of March 2017 to be considered. Submissions will be forwarded to the relevant Commission & Committees for consideration.
Click here to download a copy of the 2017 Rule Change Form
 To find out more about the Rule Change process or to submit feedback, please visit the MoMS section of the website. Any questions or concerns can be directed to Nicole Van der Sant via email at [email protected] or by calling 03 9684 0512.

http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=12&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=16419&cHash=a809772d60ec97c0d0e339eb89e8bec2
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Ted on January 14, 2017, 11:27:01 am
 ::)
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on February 28, 2017, 06:58:08 pm
Hi Guys and Gals looking for a change...can you get as many ppl possible to jump on the MA website & do the rule change/ amendment to include pre 95 as a  state & national class? Needs to be done this week to go in for 2018. If we miss out we won't get another chance until 2019!
Thanks heaps
Duane Qld  & Alison WA
Thanks mate
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on February 28, 2017, 07:17:35 pm
http://www.ma.org.au/index.php?id=759
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Brian Watson on March 01, 2017, 03:59:27 pm
Isn't pre 95 modern..? :o
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: cyclegod on March 01, 2017, 04:17:41 pm
Isn't pre 95 modern..? :o

Only to someone who's age is pre-65
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Momus on March 01, 2017, 07:21:35 pm
Why not take it to Pre2000 and then 10 year gaps? Development is granuular now for post 2000.
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: VMX247 on September 19, 2018, 10:49:45 pm
Love him or hate him, you'd have to admit its been a journey of knowledge, regulation changes, era evo evacuation and much more.
Dedicate your time and life to something for so long and you truly must hold some sort of status within the industry.
Best of luck 211 ,enjoy your time and new adventures ahead in Motorcycling Australia Commission  retirement.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge on RHs & Suzuki's when needed, your just a phone call away Dave Tanner.
Cheers US 2 WA
https://www.ma.org.au/licences-rules/rules/commission-minutes/


Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: 211 on September 20, 2018, 05:47:44 pm
Thank you  ;)
20 years - where did it go....

DT
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Wasp on September 20, 2018, 07:36:32 pm
Thank you Dave , how did you do it for 20 years .
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: bazza on September 20, 2018, 08:07:50 pm
Well done Dave, now relax
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Iain Cameron on September 20, 2018, 09:50:11 pm
Dave 20 years what do you do wrong you only get 20 for murder . Iain
Title: Re: Motorcycling Australia
Post by: Kenneth S (222) on November 04, 2018, 10:11:51 am
Thank you  ;)
20 years - where did it go....

DT

Thank you Dave for your contribution to our sport