OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => VMX Sidecars => Topic started by: fatboyracing on October 12, 2007, 05:40:21 am
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Hi all,
We have received a huge responce to the Tassie 2008 Nationals, we are defiantly holding Sidecars as a few of you have asked. Our Championships will be the only Australian Championship for vintage sidecars and solos that year .Are any of you sidecar guys keen too come and race along side your solo race mates. Pm me if you don't wont to have your interest posted. I know there is politics involved in Sidecar racing on the mainland and anyone would be more than welcome to race down here . May be you could even take home a Australian Championship Medal and Trophy.
Cheers
Fatboy
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Great to see things are going back to normal . It looks like you should get enough to run the show. The others will follow. Keep up the good work. regards Walter
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IF i take a solo can i get a chair ride too :O)
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Freaky , if you bolt a chair (folding one )on to your left hand side , you can race at any ASA event, classes ,size or age of the bike dont matter .
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So me and my late mates home built outfits are not fit to be on track with others???? Seems we had years of fun with them... Personally I would have loved a factory built pre1975 machine with the very latest 2007 suspension designs and brakes and all, but we could not afford any of that so we used what we could and had a bloody good go at it! But we were wrong using what we built ourselves and enjoying them! It must go against the spirit of whatever "VMX Sidecars" means
Hope somebody else that loves MX sidecars looks to this section now as I have had a gut full and going to my Speedway outfit as they respect every bodies rights to do and race what you have. Tim 754
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Being from NSW where motocross sidecars quite simply have never really existed in any serious numbers I'm having a hard time getting my head around what Tim and Walter are 'discussing'. I'm not taking any sides as I know and like both Walter and Tim, all I want is to understand what its all about. I would have thought that what goes for pre 75 solos goes for outfits too, or am I over simplifying the situation. Fill us in fellas.
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Nice to know I'm not the only one who cann't get my head around what there talking about :-\ Darcy
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OK Firko , well my view on VMX sidecars is the following .
VMX sidecars are made pre 75 or to pre 75 specs , Wasp , SPP, Hagon, EML, or homemade.
VMX sidecars can only use engine base from pre 75 engines, Honda 750, Kawasaki 900, Norton , Yamaha ,
Suzuki, Hedlund, Weslake, Vincent , Indian,up to 1300 cc as per GCR 1974.
VMX Sidecars can only have the allowed suspension travel as per pre 75 rules.
VMX Sidecars Champion ships are to run with VMX Champion ships on VMX Track as it has always in the past.
I am totally against watering the rules down and bastardising the history just for the sake of buring fuel and get a cheap thrill , ruining time capsules.
I believe the Australian champion ships are a status that needs to be a little bit above anything else and therefore the running of it , should be of similar layout as it was at the time when it happend (pre 68, pre 75, pre 80 , pre 85 etc).
Anything else to me has no meaning. If I just want to smell burnt fuel , I buy a modern bike and race and flog that to the max with no excuses.
To me VMX is reliving a part of history, not an all in cheap form of tearing around. If anyone wants to do that , he can use clubdays or hare and hound meetings to do that , but not bastardising the australian champion ships with modern bikes.
The excuse of bike shortage is not correct. I just bought a new Wasp frame the Factory in England last year.
They are still making Wasps as many as you like , same as Metisses for solos.
If anyone wants to build a new home built with an old pre 74 frame , that can be done also for little money.
As long as you use components of that era ( brakes , wheels , engine , carburettors , ignations etc)
To put it in perspective with solos , you would not allow a YZF 2007 with drum brakes , and twin rear shocks to enter the aussie titles would you ? If you did that , that would be the beginning of the end . You can build a bike like that and use it for pony expresses or hare and hounds to make up numbers , but dont believe you just built classic VMX bike to relive the spirit of the pre 75 era.
Maybe I am wrong , please tell me .
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Sounds pretty right to me. Tim,what's your perspective on this?
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Agree on the Australian titles being and must be above all other meetings. Pre 68 pre75 pre85 as in GCRS to race for Australian titles only. But why cannot others be Support events OK!
But I am bloody sick of people slagging other people because they choose to be in one or so particular club or group. AND GET THIS """ MY""" comments apply to ALL SIDES yes !!! Bumper stickers stating so and so "is a wanker" along with abusive phone calls are sick and forking childish! Others whinging and crying that some events at meetings are for modern machines and three wheeled lawnmowers etc on their business internet sites is forking childish! There is not many amounts of outfits, so to have as many as possible at meetings, racing in their own eras seems to me makes sense. But no A calls B a pack of C###S and B calls A likewise and all collapses as C through to Z LOSE ALL INTEREST IN THIS EGO SHIT!!!!!!!!!!! Have promised the ASA that they may use Steves old 650 at this years "MA sanctioned" title thingo and will I honour that. After that dont know or care what the shit fight MX Sidecar kiddies do. Naa I have had a gut full.
Got access to a few small acres can go out and "burn some fuel" (no racing no attitudes no shit!) just fun anybody wants to join us and have a smile your most welcome ,your risk.............
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Exactly Tim , thats why many only can be bothered riding MA governed events, the rules are clear and no childish behavier, :) :) :)
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I still don't understand why there's so much agro. I seem to be missing something.
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Walter and friends ,ASA and members ,Someone ? Anybody ? got the GUTS to pick up a phone and set about righting this absurd rift bullshit???
Personal Facts . My membership of the ASA has not been renewed, now lapsed. I believe that Walters suspensions systems are a quality product. My machines are built from entirely pre 75/ pre68 parts (Except the MA legal Boyer Branson Ignition in the 650 Kawasaki). I never have condoned using converted late model machines in Classic Classes.
I am willing to accept private emails as a neutral party to stop the festering rot. Both parties have my email address.
With out peace future Titles will not be relevant or needed! as the politics will have killed the classes. Tim
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Well I dont understand it either. VMX is VMX and Modern is Modern. Let everyone do what they like. But dont bastardise each others sport. Each has a right to be there. The End full stop. #17 Wasp
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Im lost. we had an even last weekend and there was old DT 360 and the new bikes, i cant remeber if they were in the same class or just shared the track in divisions, but they all seemed to hav4e a good time.
Im like Firko on this one................LOSt. Must be some back politics in the past that we must have missed.
Vmx................modern ? they are 2 differant events are they not ? is it an MX thing ? we have Chairs in our Dirt titles and i have never heard any bad news ? is it perhaps a Qld thing ? too much sun.............
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It will never be understood and you will always be lost,as some people take their posts off the forum.
Yep you guessed it !! the BIG DELETO./REMOVEO/MODEFI (ie VMX Sidecars=Events when,where & status= weird conversations)
So the past/history is gone, never to be proven or seen by others.
Yes, we believe there was and will always be politics involved.
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nope im still confused. im glad i dont know any one :OP
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I'm even more confused now after VMX 247s post. I have no idea what you guys are going on about. I think I'll stick to things I care about.
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People write in provocative tones then they delete there posts.In the mean time you are left with the replies.
The string is broken and then you have no idea of what the issue was about in the first place.
In other word don't start something and then delete your posts. 8)
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VMX 247, can you please enlighten everyone a bit more , as you make no sense. If there is an issue ,please lay it on the table for everyone to see where you are coming from. This tread was made by fatboy to run the australian champions ships in Tassie.
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Your assumption is wrong, though I know Wayne well and compete with him regularly.
I am also an ASA member and as posted before, we take every opportunity to ride where ever we can.
We rode the National event last year in WA (Solos / sidecars & unfortunately not supported that well), will ride the National event this year, ( Sidecars only & held by the Morgan MCC) and hope the funds stretch far enough to get to the event in Tassie.
It is disappointing that Fatboy has had dramas. We wish him and his club every success with the event.
Which is where this thread first started. So lets support Fatboy and raise any issues about ASA & sidecars in a new forrum or offline. 8)
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Yes my total honest apologies to Fatboy and your hardworking Club for clouding this post with me personal inexperiences, and please except my full endorsement of what will be a pearler of a title meeting in beautiful Tasmania ;D Also lets all support this years Morgan SA event if possible as it will be a special showcase of Sidecar mayhem too. Yours too all Faithfully Tim Derrick