OzVMX Forum
Clubroom => Competition => Topic started by: Bamford#69 on April 26, 2009, 08:10:46 pm
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Hi
Does the Sunshine MC or QVMX club have a plan for a different track to be used at the Australian Classic Titles,for the limited travel vintage MXers ,(pre 60, 65, 70, 75.) or will they be required to compete on the Modern MX track .
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http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=5171.45
topic slightly covered in another thread Michael,
i've heard all sorts but am lead to believe it'll be the one track for simplicity in running the event.
i've heard the drunks hill jump will be filled in so if it's short jumped there'll be less of a crunch.
just have to wait and see on the day...... one could always "back-off" the throttle a touch ;)
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Hi,
Thanks, Yes topic "slightly covered" , I was hoping for an "Official" reply to clarify the unofficial rumours that no changes will be made to accommodate the short travel ,ie; 7 inch front, 4 inch rear bikes
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Jikov
At this time it is planed to have one track.
We will be working on a track layout that will suit both. Really the layout and even the jumps are not the hard part, surface preparation is the thing that has me thinking.
If it was a Modern national I would disc the whole track then water the hell out of it for three days and say bring on the ruts. This national the we need the surface to stay intack and not get dust.
we're working on it.
Sorry that as "official" as any one can get at this very early stage.
Noel
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Can I suggest that the Evo (and pre-78! :o ) guys will generally be a lot happier riding a track with no (or small) jumps, than the older bike riders will be on a track with big jumps.
Really, we hear a lot about how the long travel VMX riders want big jumps, but I am yet to meet anyone with an Evo bike who likes a lot of big jumps.
Apart from anything else, the VMX Nationals will bring out a lot of older bodies and less talented/fearless riders than the modern titles do, so I reckon they should be catered for.
The fast guys will still win...
But hey, everyone tells me that Conondale is all great for VMX, so now I'm wondering how big/scary the track really is?!
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There were plenty of pre 75 bikes riding at the Conondale classic last year and they were having no problem at all with the jumps in the full course being too large or dangerous. As usual, a lot of the issue is how the rider tackles them, not the jumps themselves being inherently nasty.
Conondale makes up for a lot of jumps by having some great elevation changes when the track goes up and down the hills they have there.
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Nathan has my vote for president ;D - same thing at Tassie - suitable for the older bikes and maybe a little too easy for the "younger" bikes but obviously (coz of what I ride) the more preferable of the two options.
cheers
Rossco
PS I also agree that more "non Nats" riders turn up for the social event in VMX than those that race for sheep stations I think?
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Old Jungle saying: He who build track for A graders get plenty A graders to race meeting. He who build track for slow fella get everybody to race meeting.
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Connondale is a great track for all types of rides , pre-70 right through to pre-85.
I firmly beleive that if all MX circuits were this user friendly we would be alot better off.
Generally there are only two large jumps and both of these are not to bad , especially the much talked about Drunks Hill , once you get your head around the blind lead up to the exit of the jump its all good.
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Hi ,
I was hoping to get an official answer / response to the question ; will there be a track change to suit the pre 60,65,70,75, group of bikes ?, from either the Sunshine MX club or QVMX ,
I understand there will be a track change to suit pre 70 at CD6,
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Jikov
At this time it is planed to have one track.
We will be working on a track layout that will suit both. Really the layout and even the jumps are not the hard part, surface preparation is the thing that has me thinking.
If it was a Modern national I would disc the whole track then water the hell out of it for three days and say bring on the ruts. This national the we need the surface to stay intack and not get dust.
we're working on it.
Sorry that as "official" as any one can get at this very early stage.
Noel
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i am with shoey and ajay ;)
the track is fine
people forget that the tracks ridden on back in the
seventys were rougher than this
and they were never prepared before a meeting
bring it on ;D
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Jikov
I'm not sure what you want ??? This is the nationals not CD. I'm not trying to avoid the question, but this is as official as your going to get at this stage.
We are working on having one track.
I'm The VP of the Sunshine coast MCC and along with a small team have played a major part in setting out and Preping most of the tracks at Conondale in the last 15Yrs.
Noel
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Seen the track looked good for Aust mx racing ,sure is gunna brake a few pre 75 bikes,and maybe a few old bones to boot, i'm going to cd6 tho
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Hi
I think its a great track, always well prepared , but if you ask the pre 75 Guys who go real fast, they do bend forks ,blow shocks ,break spokes, even at my slow speed Iv'e blown two sets of rears and bent two set of forks I,m not going fast enough to break spokes . I know some will say just ride to the track conditions,
I agree with the comments sun prarie jimmy "build the track to suit the fast guys only the fast guys are happy" ,(and maybe only the fast guys will enter)
I'll be going regardless
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Hi
I think its a great track, always well prepared , but if you ask the pre 75 Guys who go real fast, they do bend forks ,blow shocks ,break spokes, even at my slow speed Iv'e blown two sets of rears and bent two set of forks I,m not going fast enough to break spokes . I know some will say just ride to the track conditions,
I agree with the comments sun prarie jimmy "build the track to suit the fast guys only the fast guys are happy" ,(and maybe only the fast guys will enter)
I'll be going regardless
Gee, I find that hard to believe that a rough track caused bent forks etc. The track can't be any worst then Bilpen and we use to race, and hate ::), that without undue suspension failures. Maybe if riders are use to modern bikes doing all the work for them and hitting obstacles too fast, coming off jumps flat expecting the suspension to do all the work might be the cause. Ancient, antiquated suspension need a little more cunning, back in the day and now; ride the rim of the crater, land rear wheel first etc etc.
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The Conondale track that I saw in use last August was in NO WAY more of a pre-75 bike breaker than the tracks for the Aussie titles in WA in 2006, nor Port Macquarie in 2007. :o
I didn't got to Tassie, so I can't comment on that. :-\
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OK. All concern's have been noted again & again.
Can i just say the track's for the outdoor nat and for that matter CD6 have no bearing on the VMXNats track.
OK enough negative ::) The reason I want the one track is that it's going to be so bloody good that everybody is going to WANT to ride the whole track ;D.
Noel
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Pre '75 bikes bent forks, blew shocks and broke wheels back in the day.. so what's new. Conondale vintage tracks are not that rough and not the same as the modern nationals track. Anyway this is motocross.. not dirt track.
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Hi
I think its a great track, always well prepared , but if you ask the pre 75 Guys who go real fast, they do bend forks ,blow shocks ,break spokes, even at my slow speed Iv'e blown two sets of rears and bent two set of forks I,m not going fast enough to break spokes . I know some will say just ride to the track conditions,
I agree with the comments sun prarie jimmy "build the track to suit the fast guys only the fast guys are happy" ,(and maybe only the fast guys will enter)
I'll be going regardless
I doubt the track will get rough, Slow down for the jumps if need be and all will be fine
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Hi
Sorry Noel wasn't trying to be negative , QVMX has been telling us the track will be pre75 friendly, I thought it might mean they would be changing something, like they are at CD6
I presume all you guys who say slow down at the jumps aren't riding pre 75 bikes,
maybe I'll have go across to dark side and join those big wooses who can't ride real Vintage MXers and have to have bikes that have 12 inch suspension
L O L
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Hello fellows, l have be preparing race tracks for years, the old mortlake track was great, it was excellent, very fast, off camber corners, ungelating very much like a European style track and l always made sure that the track was prepared to cater for pre65 to pre 80 classes, l personlly like long straights top gear straight not these short 1,2,3,straights, when they are long straights it sorts thr riders out and you have less accidents on the first corner. A track should be know less than 1.5k to 2 k round. The classic scramble clubs track at Harrow is 2k round and fast , and you can ride your own pass also, there isn`t anything worst than riding on a goat tracks, and no short stop and go corners, that is modern style racing.
A track should flow from start to finish, and as l said the main straight should be long and funnels in to the first corner.
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22Ks :o :o I would love it ;)
We could do it but not sure you would call it MX ;D.
Noel
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Sorry Noel, not 22k, only 2 k. But would`nt it be good to be able to run a race like the Elsinore they have in USA. ( On any sunday ) think of a propoirate place.
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Pre 65 class here l come.
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Pre 65 class here l come.
what will it be ?
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Hi
only 4 inchs of suspension at rear and 7 inchs at front , 33mm diameter fork tubes !!!!!!!!!,
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so who's the old coot on the honda? :D
just move the previous corner closer to the jump to slow the take off speed down a little.
problem solved...
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Hi,
Do you think they will ?
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Hi,
Do you think they will ?
No. Maybe you shouldn't go. ::)
You don't seem to have a very positive attitude towards Conondale... they have answered your questions, but you keep on with it. ???
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Hi ajay,
What bikes are you going to race at Conondale?
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hi guys i cant help but notice how most of you think jumping a pre 75 bike is bad?
i am 100 kgs and have cleared drunks hill at Conondale every year on my 1975 cr 125 i have also done it on an mx 250b and i have only bent forks when i stacked one year.
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It will be a surprise.
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Hi ajay,
What bikes are you going to race at Conondale?
I don't ride bikes anymore, because of a back injury. I had a little helicopter rescue episode in 2005.... :(
What relevance does that have to this thread, by the way??? ???
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all jumps are just bumps, when you think about it and it comes down to rider attitude, towards them, and not abillity. this track has been around since the 70's and still follows the same lines, so what's the problem? it's a NATIONAL TITLE not a weekend event so lets treat it as such.
the volunteers who make these events happen across Australia should not be hounded about this class or that and the competitors who race should be prepaired to race what is laid out for them.
if you want to race flat track, do so, but dont go on about classic motocross having to be soft because of the jumps.
i hate doing jumps myself but it's apart of the sport.
Cheers Trev
President QVMX
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PRE 65, CHOICE OF CHAMPIONS,BRING IT ON, MAKE IT FAST AND FLOWING.
REGARDS
Totally unfit, Race #46
AGE 53#
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I've raced the Conondale Classic the last 3 years and wouldn't miss it for the world. To me, it is the best mix for pre and post vintage, there is someting in it for everyone and probably the safest track I've ever ridden. The sport we compete in is called motocross, the whole point of it is that we ride over bumps and jumps. There is even a chance you might get dirty and sweaty, oooohhhh, yucky poo. If that's not for you then go play lawn bowls. Even netball, there's less sheilas involved in netball than vintage MX.
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Tony cavill seems to have no probs with jumps!!