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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Graeme M on February 06, 2009, 01:37:09 pm
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Yep, it sure is. Why just last night I tried to spend a pleasant hour in the non-airconditioned garage to see whether the bits of 2005 YZ125 I bought will actually fit a 1980 IT175G (the good news is that yes, they sorta do). But in the end I had to bail cos the sweat was dripping onto my work.
Of course, the question is - is this evidence of global warming? You'll observe that the state of mind of the general population is influenced over time and before you know it, prior experiences are lost and a new 'model' for thinking becomes established even when that model is not a step forwards for the collective wisdom. Don't believe me? How about 4-strokes Vs 2-strokes. Nowadays everyone rides a 4-stroke. And the accepted wisdom, at least among those too young to know any better, is that 2-strokes are a thing of the past. That somehow, a bike that is heavier, slower, more costly to maintain, and generally more tempramental is a better mousetrap. Worse, there is even the idea that a 2-stroke is some kind of fire-breathing demon that will rip a man a new fundamental orifice if he dares to get on one any bigger than the magical 150cc...
So too with global warming. The general population believes it, so expertly informed are they by any number of hockey sticks wielded by apocryphally insightful men such as Al Gore. And lo, before you know it, a hot dy is a HOT day. And several hot days is a HEATWAVE such that we need to have pretty much 24 hour media coverage of how ma and pa in SA are coping. And a heatwave is an almost unknown phenomonen that just HAS to prove global warming is real. Especially if you're under 30 and don't remember the heatwaves of earlier generations.
All of which leads me to suspect that global warming is not the reason I couldn't get that swingarm roller to fit the lug on my IT175 frame... I'll try harder tonight.
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what you dont know is the because off the polar ice caps starting to melt the earth is now starting to spin awkwardly on its axis there fore the sun is in either further or closer daily as we rotate ,there fore we are haveing crazy weather ,with woorse to come. really this is it , really the begining off the end now mankind has really stuff this planet and there no turning back so have as much fun as you can while you can ,because in 5 to 10 we will be cooked alive ,good luck with the swing arm roller and we are truely watching history take place ,43 degrees tomorrow here
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any maico s for sale :o
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Graeme......I've been in the shed all morning and have to agree...it's bloody hot. I've just come back from a trip to Super Cheap (Sorry Lozza) and the computer thingo in the car told me the ambient temperature was 47degrees. It's so hot in fact that I'm not going to the pub this arvo, a rare thing for me to forgo a brew with the lads on a Friday.
Back to the shed.... I've recently made one major update that's made my life so much easier. I've airconditioned the garage. My dear old Aunty Judith had ducted air fitted to her house and she kindly donated her old 2hp Mitsubishi air con to the cause. I've got it set on 16 degrees and its a treat to work out there now. If you look, you can buy second hand air conditioning units for as little as $100 on eBay or the Trading Post that'll work just fine in the garage. With three projects not counting the latest Jag, underway, I'm spending a lot more time in there these days. Luckily the pool isn't too far from the rear garage door too! Global warming? I seem to remember it being over 100 degrees all summer when I was a kid. .......good luck with the swingarm. I'm having a similar battle with my Cheney. I can't use heat either or it'll ruin the nickel plating. Anyway..off to the pool.
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Just for general info: Last year, the world had the coldest 12 months for more than 30 years.
Global warming or television fodder? I dunno. Yes, it gets hot but it also gets cold. More media means we know all about the extremes.
Yes, Firko, everrything is relative and because we're old-ish, we talk from experience!
I grew up in near the centre of WA and then moved to a "cooler" place - Port Hedland - where a few summers hit 50C.
Graeme - basically, there is no excuse. You just have to get back to the shed.
By the way, sorry about the weather for youse eastern staters. We (Perth) had a gutful recently so it's your turn.
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i have lived in this area bounded by fairfield,canley vale, hargreave park villawood [and mulgoa for the last 36] years out of about 70 years beginning at fairfield. i can remember my old man coming home from working at dunkers wrecking yard at bossley park saying "it was 115 degrees today." that was about 1945 towards the end of a drought that started about 1939...BUT i believe global warming is an undeniable fact. i also believe that human activities have minimal impact on global warming, not to say it isnt time we cleaned up our act and stopped sh#ting in our own nest. to me the natural cycle of events like volcanic eruptions and normal cyclical alterations to the earths circuit around the sun make human activities to be of little consequence.
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Well said Wally.
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sounds like your,e very widely travelled!!!!!!!!!!!! what a joke
(http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo263/ozmaico/global-warming-myth_65.jpg)
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Its snowed here for 3 days on the south coast of the uk, not snowed like this for 18 yrs, Global warming my arse.
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If you believe some of the theories from the boffins that are talking about climate change , the UK & parts of Europe are actually heading for another ice age :o ( while the rest of the planet cooks ) . Something to do with warm ocean currents that are no longer going to head up that way . It may mean that the pommy guys will have to start looking at vintage snowmobiles instead of bikes :) .
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Down South WA ....
28 degrees today ,37 Sunday,,,,, oh poop. might have to take the ski boat out. 8)
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Saturday North Central Vic 45 46 47 + Celsius .06 humidity (FA...) and strong hot North winds and no recorded rain here at all for 65 days and counting ..Fire danger off the chart ::) Yet up north in Townsville QLD it has had more rain in the past week than we have had in 6 years.... WTF is "snow'??????
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I'd do more travelling down south but not just yet to bloody hot down there, come up to sunny and cool Queensland only 30 degrees up here!!
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It may mean that the pommy guys will have to start looking at vintage snowmobiles instead of bikes
;D ;D ;D
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Well, happy to report that despite the sweat, I did manage to have a look tonight and my YZ125 chainroller will, with a little work, fit my IT175 and work way better than the original item. As will the YZ125 fuel tap (and it's smaller to boot).
It was hotter tonight though.
But is it hotter than at other times in my life? I don't think so. When I moved to Canberra in 1991 the first 6 months I was here was stinking hot and dry. I went back home to Qld a couple of years ago and nearly died in the heat and humidity. I was sure it must have been much hotter than when I was there as a kid. Yet when I checked the weather records, it turned out that the year I left Qld the weather was actually hotter!
I have to admit to being very skeptical about global climate change. There may be a slight aberration in the overall trend at present, but even our entire life is but a blip on geologic time. Even a slight aberration may have a big effect for us, but be nothing in the big picture. Is man contributing? Unlikely is my guess.
Which isn't to say we aren't affecting the planet - we clearly are - and so any efforts now at addressing our less than admirable behaviours has to be good. So while I might not buy the global warming thing, I do support becoming more environmentally conscious.
That said though, I think the global warming scam is more aimed at economic and political gain than anything.
If you are curious about this stuff, this is a good link for an alternative viewpoint. Is this guy right? No idea. But it does suggest there is another way to look at the matter.
http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html
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Hot! Na lovely, but it was hot and humid up here over the last couple of weeks. But no worse than some of the summers I remember.
As for Global Warming being man induced - yep, without a doubt.
I agree that is has become a very contoversial subject mainly due to journalists not being able to get the facts across clearly in short articles.
If you want to become informed read this book :
"Fixing Climate, The story of climate science - and how to stop global warming", by Robert Kunzig and Wallace Broecker
One of these guys is a climate scientist who's old enough to be Firkos old man, and the other a science writer. They make a logical, convincing and compelling story, but more importantly they offer seemingly viable solutions to managing it.
My Dad, a retired engineer, was very, very sceptical. We spared for years about the facts. He investigated it widely trying to shoot me down. He found this book recently and gave me a copy for Christmas. He wrote this in the front: ...thanks for opening my eyes about this.... That in itself is enough for me to recommend the book to anyone.
Yes it is uncomfortably hot. But if duckwit journalists keep blaming every snowfall or heatwave on global warming the masses are never going to believe in it.
I'm happy to lend my copy to anyone who asks (but I might tear out the page Dad wrote on and frame it)!
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Must have a read sometime. I remain skeptical though!
As for our New Zealand friends, they may be all over browsing AdultSheepFinder looking for love, but in their spare time they too have an interest in Global Warming (which is understandable as I suppose there is a danger to the sheep in it). Those whacky sons of sheep.
http://www.climatescience.org.nz/
PS this is a site with an axe to grind and I don't think it's actually a 'real' organisation, but a nice collection of links...
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If global warning is true ( man made or not )and the polar caps are melting why do i not stand furher up the beach to catch Jewies ( at high tide ) just left or right depending on the hole. After 35 yrs i have noticed absolutely no difference
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Ummm... how about this? Ice displaces water, therefore when the ice melts away, the water level will actually go down? ;D
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Its "Climate Change" not Global Warning nowdays. And the theory is that the weather will be all f$%ked up, not just hotter (although hotter on average).
I can't really comment from experience, as I moved inland in 2000 in time for he drought, so I've got no apples and apples comparison.
I am unconvinced by the agruments against Climate change, however - they're inevitably self serving: "We're doing nothing wrong - its not our fault" etc. They always advocate continued indifference to the planet, and no effort on our behalf, which seems more than a little weak.
Even if Climate Change proves to be a giant con, its clear that we can't keep living the way we have been, so I'm happy to be a part of the move toward sustainability.
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I never thought I'd see the day but recently Darwin had the lowest daytime temp for any capital city in Oz. And this is supposed to be summer
Brent
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I'm not sure that they are all self serving. Certainly there are those who just reject climate change as a knee jerk reaction, but there are also many who are deeply concerned that the whole carbon tax/credit system is a means for economic and political gain through fraudulent means. And Al Gore's own business interests are well served through furthering the idea that climate change is real.
From what I have read (and I guess one has to be wary of just reading stuff), much of Gore's Inconvenient Truth has been shown to be populist and alarmist with weak science and falsified data.
The notion of climate change is self serving in any case, and is now the norm due to the fact that global warming as a concept has been shown to be flawed (or at least, so I have read - I am no scientist).
All of that said, I absolutely agree, as do many climate change opponents, that as a species we do need to do it better.
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By the way, in following one of those links I posted, I came across this. How amazing - I had no idea...
http://www.warwickhughes.com/cubbie/
Check out the size of that irrigation/water storage system!!
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I remember seeing this on Landline ABC doco Graeme and how the neighbors where pretty pissed at the time ,,,,,,,,,,,,is it greed or having to feed/cloth the millions.
I feel that it will all turn around again and we will be at least growing a few vegies etc of our own.
Like ya grandfather did. ;D
so much cheaper and women want whats is best for there babies. 8).the new generation will finally see. ::)
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If global warning is true ( man made or not )and the polar caps are melting why do i not stand furher up the beach to catch Jewies ( at high tide ) just left or right depending on the hole. After 35 yrs i have noticed absolutely no difference
Jeez I laughed Ted. That's such an Aussie thing to say. ;D :D ;)
Global warming...I have to admit I'm now a bit of a sceptic.
I'm not saying it's a fib, I'm just saying I'm not convinced anymore.
I feel the same way about the Moon landings but that's another story...
My reason is this: I've listened to 'Experts' on both sides of the debate and I worry how such learned sorts can interpret the same data so differently!
I'm seriously fence sitting on this one and my friends in the local Garden Club would be horrified I'm sure.
I think we're pretty much all Greenies in there (though I'm the only one with the 2 stroke motocross bikes... ;)).
But I lean towards the whole thing being a part of a cycle; something the World has done before and will likely do again - if we keep the hemispheres from blowing apart through aggression!
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If you read through history, every century has had it's doom sayers that claim the sky is falling and the world will end.
The governments love this sort of thing because it keeps people in fear. Like telling the kids if they don't behave the boogey man will get them.
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It`s a scam so they could bring in carbon tax wish i had thought of that one !
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Global "warming" theories were first proposed by scientists as early as 1955. That is far older than just about every dirt bike that any of us race or restore. Scientist by nature disagree with one another and test each others ideas. In a recent review of articles the following was found. In all peer reviewed scientific papers (= profesional scientific studies) 100% agreed with the theory. In the popular press (newspapers, magazines, etc) the split was nearer 50/50. In other words the people who rely on selling papers are creating the controversy to sell more papers.
In the mid 1800s sewage was the controversial issue. People didn't believe that cholera and similar diseases were caused by poor sanitation. Even after the scientists working on the problem were all convinced and speaking as one voice there were still business people, politicians and lay people that argued that dumping the shit in open holes was good enough. They didn't want to have to pay for disposing of their waste. And people died in hundreds of thousands - far more people than have died because of climate change. But eventually people came around. Sewage systems were installed, and people stopped dying.
Carbion Dioxide is just another human waste that is having an adverse impact on our environment. We need to clean it up. And it is probably cheaper to deal with than sewage!
Read the book. I've read hundreds of scientific papers, articles and publications on the subject. The book is the best summary of a very complicated subject I have read so far. And they are much better at writing than I am.
I'm off to release a few more carbons. But at least I am recycling - it is on a 1974 model. I'll plant some trees later........
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We tend to think as man, that we cause, create and end everything. The truth is the earth is dynamic and under extreme pressure and stress all by its little lonesome.
Many areas of study suggest there have been approx 10 ice ages over the past 10 million years, the last one abating some 18,000BC. Would the little cave men hypothesize that their new found fires were the cause? I’m pretty sure that they were just happy to be warm, and in the case of most of our ancestors, to be able to move north into Europe and get out of that damn equator.
Free roaming mammals, hunting, increased protein intake, expansion of brain size and capacity – poof we have iPods and Starbucks – what a wonderful world.
So it’s cyclical (potentially) but you’re all correct. We could be a bit more dolphin friendly, because as a society we waste so much it’s laughable.
Riddle me this - should VMX racers get carbon credits because we re-cycle our bikes rather than purchasing a new one from the evil factories?
What’s disgusting is once again we have pockets of minorities pushing rhetoric on the majority. Make the world a better place, kill a nappy headed greenie today...
And if you’re interested, Google “wobbling top": The Milankovitch theory.
We studied this in High School in the 80’s long before pony tailed Porsche driving marketeers coined the phrase “global warming”.
If you‘ll excuse me its 44 here already and I’m going to go outside and let of one of my last aerosol cans that is NOT CFC free.
This is not the blame of Guns n” Roses
Rudy(s)