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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: maicomc490t on February 06, 2009, 08:04:18 am
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First let me preface this by PLEADING that we all concentrate on THIS topic. I don't want to read about how your FC Holden ute has done a diff or that your SHITzu has worms.
A recent unfortunate event on this great forum did point out one thing that is the bleeding obvious.
When someone posts a thread I am mystified why people hijack it and the whole thing ends up miles away from what the original post was addressing or querying.
In my job as a firey we often do 'Fire-Ed' talks to little school kids of 'Rescue-Ed' lectures to high school students and they can stay focused on the purpose of our visits and the subject matter so SURELY we can do it here.
Next time you hit the 'post' button reread what you have said and ask yourself is what you are posting TOTALLY relevant to the topic.
Should you feel the need to tell us about your dog or the blown diff in the FC, then post your own topic, eg "My FC has shit itself" or "My faggy little dog is riddled with tapeworms", lol !!! Don't bugger up some other persons initial post. (Often wonder why Holden chose those initials :o but don't discuss it here - hint hint)
The old saying 'if it's not worth saying, don't say it at all' is very apt.
Have a nice day ladies and gents !!!
Dave Mac :D
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I think most of the thread changes are just what happens in real conversations, & if it's all intelligent posts I don't particularly mind.
What seems to wind me up lately are the inane pointless posts that are popping up more frequently. Some people have registered all their multiple personalities & then proceed to have conversations with themselves & the gullible.
Maybe I'm just turning into a grumpy old fart, maybe it's this dial up system that makes me wait 20 seconds to see a page only to find it was a waste of time.
We used to have some really good discussions on here, be it rule changes, bicycles or what ever, but all the intelligent debate seems to have gone along with some of the original members, not to mention the guys we lost recently.(hey Doc & Tony, come back I miss you guys)
Sorry Dave, I guess I hijacked your thread with a completely different bitch
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next there will be a dress code
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People are always going to 'hijack' threads, it's just the way it goes.
When you see a thread going off topic, you split the thread after the last relevant post
and you rename the new post with a name relevant to it's content.
How many moderators are on the forum?
JUST for an example...
On the Yamaha IT Forum I have 6 moderators to help with the following:
• Moving threads into appropriate categories
• Splitting topics when they go off track
• Deleting anything 'unsuitable'
• Making informative and useful posts 'stickies'
I moderate the main categories but having these 6 members to take care of
6 categories helps a lot. Many hands makes light work.
You don't really need 6 but 2 or 3 people that knew what they were doing would
do the job.
There is a HUGE amount of resourceful information on this forum.
Without management the info will be harder to find and with a heap of threads
that have gone off topic the info will be mixed up - making it harder for users to
find what they need.
Daunting it may seem - this forum is a MONSTER! 56,385 Posts in 5,903 Topics by 820 members!
It is only going to get bigger, once something reaches this size it is too much for one man to handle, that is
unless the one man wants to sit in front of the computer for hours each day administering the forum!
Admin - decide on a few computer savvy, forum friendly helpers.
Contact them, educate them, grant them 'Moderator or Global Moderator' permissions and
let them help you with keeping this AMAZINGLY resourceful forum running 'on song'.
Jock
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Yeah, I agree Wasp.
Their has been some over serious debates & it's good to see them interupted with some witty comment.
A lot of guys here have a good sense of humour & I often have a chuckle to myself, I think it's one of the attractions to the site.
I guess it comes down to your sense of humour.
I'm usually dressed in uniform when I type, jeans, T shirt & workboots.
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People are always going to 'hijack' threads, it's just the way it goes.
When you see a thread going off topic, you split the thread after the last relevant post
and you rename the new post with a name relevant to it's content.
Jock
Quite agree, I think it is not some sinister 'hijack' but just they way conversations wander and then you start a new post or wander it back politely. To some extent when you start a topic you should try to moderate it or keep it on track a bit yourself. I am moderator on two other forums and we have few problems.
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Hey Geoff,
Just so long as you are dressed!!! The alternative doesn't bear [bare??] thinking about, especially on those chilly Broadford mornings. VMX and shrinkage have no place in the same sentence, unless we are talking about sheetmetal forming.
and Marc, wandering is just part of the aging process.
On a slightly different topic [isn't that what we are talking about here], don't you hate the never ending email that changes subject over and over again. Buggered if I can keep track of what they are saying when they can't even be bothered to simply rename the email to reflect what the hell they are saying. Just plain laziness!!! And the older I get, the more other peoples laziness drives me mad - thank god I am pretty much perfect.
Now where was I????
VMX42
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Hmmm... well you won't like my reply then VMX42!
Jock, all good points and excellent advice. But I am just a lazy prick. I can't be bothered. I do try to read most of the posts each day, and if things are a bit screwy will split a topic or move a post or thread. I'll even step in and try to wield a big stick sometimes. But by and large, the truth is I don't care that much. I LIKE it when topics meander around and weird things get said. Personally, I even thought the now infamous Suzuki thread was pretty funny, even though some 'folks' (hey, I like that word!) were getting bent all out of shape.
I guess I could make a bigger effort, or even appoint some moderators.
But probably not...
Getting back to Dave's original point though. Yes, it is probably a good idea to try to keep on topic, or return a thread to the subject. Just remember when you do it's gonna work better if you do it good naturedly. We all know what happens if you get testy.
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Threads usually take their own direction and I reckon that in some cases the deviation a good thing. Some questions and subjects are repeated over and over and often they're asked by regulars who should know better and are too lazy to research back into the archives to find previous threads that discussed the subject. A good example is the inane and totally stupid rehashing of the old 490 Maico shitbox/worlds greatest/overpriced/over rated/ugly/beautiful discussion. It's been done to the end of its natural life but you can bet some rocket scientist will soon come along with his socalled original and 'hilarious' take on the model and off it all goes again.
The "Great Pre 90 Debate" is another. It's been flogged to death with good argument coming accross both for and against it's introduction. Every time the subject comes up you can actually feel the tension/passion from some of the posters, just itching for an argument from proponents of the opposite cause. I think it's been covered pretty well in previous posts without going through it again. Save it for the pre 95 discussion this time next year.
I don't know how we're going to get back the guys that've left. Doc, Tony and Yamaboy are good long termers and I've met both Yammy and Doc and know their passion and knowledge is real and vast. Docs Suzuki knowledge will be especially missed. Tony is also an interesting and knowledgable contributor with some interesting perspectives. Yamaboy put a different Klub Kevlar perspective and is one of the original 1988 vintage racers. I've noticed that Firko, Nathan, Maico 31 and some other posters I can't recall right now that have something interesting to say are contributing less and less, much to the detriment of the forums knowledge base. I don't know their reasons but I can guess it's to do with certain forum pests getting on their nerves and wearing them down.
The lessons here are to think before you press the POST button like Dave said. Ask yourself if your post is going to contribute in a positive way to the thread, If your information is factual and helpful, if your post is articulate and with the best grammar and spelling you can produce and finally if you are being mischeivous and deliberately disrupting the thread. If you are posting poorly constructed,inane pointless drivel that I've seen creep into the forum over the last year or so STOP NOW. You're not helping at all and in fact you're actually contributing to the dumbing down of the forum.
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Glad to hear your dressed Geoff not like that naked_amphibian whom always sits in front of his computer in the NUDE :o
Oh was this supposed to be about NOT hijacking threads :-*
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I'm with ya Graeme!
Lazy? You claim to be so, however even the laziest prick could not create such a good forum so yeah prick you may claim to be but lazy? I don't think so, lol !!!
All I wanted to do was to try and get everyone to TRY not to stray.
As for you Paul - If you are going to come into the forum at least wear some clothes. Wearing the chainsaw 'chaps' on their own don't cut it - OK !!!
Dave Mac ;D
Now did I tell you about what happened to the diff on my old ute? Think it was back in about '79......................................
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the topic only gets interesting after the first or second person in has answered the question anyway. after that it gets interesting cause thats when you find out all the other stuff that fixes all the other things or highlights new things that you never though of, or other people cant be bothered to post in a thread cause it didnt seem that newsworthy, or they only just remeber the technique that they used to remove a whatsee.
if you only stick to the topic there will be very few topics and you will never tease out all the real interesting stuff, which is the gear you really want to find out anyway, if you have a specific question garenteed its been covered before, so rather than post asking the same stupid question why dont you suggest people do a search in the search bar first then we wont go over the same topic again, which is usually the ones that we make go west.
and as far as the firey analigy thing goes maico man, you got to remeber your talking to 2 captive audences there, like where are they going ? Bet you any money that 1/2 of them aint even in the room. If we on the other hand we there im sure in about 5 minutes after you bored us to depth with the old water on paper and blanket on oil drill we'd be bored shitless and be asking the more interesting questions like , how much do you guys get paid really, and do you get more if you actually have to put out a fire on that shift, and why do cop's always sit in the car with the engine running wasting petrol when they are clearly just parked ?
what was this thread about again ? ;D
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it going to be hot in melbourne again tomorrow 43 or more so my forum attire will be a stainless steel bucthers apron and thongs ,just in case off forum knife attack
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when I first saw this I thought, "great someone will have a good idea on getting out a broken bolt instead of using an easy out."
Wrong thread I guess ...
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IF you ever wanna see off topic go back in here --> http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=5830.75 its must be the hot weather so how now its gotten onto Fukas ?
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Jock, all good points and excellent advice. But I am just a lazy prick. I can't be bothered.
I guess I could make a bigger effort, or even appoint some moderators.
But probably not...
Graeme,
My view is quite different to yours.
Each to their own, and whatever works for you my friend.
My view...
I try my best to provide the forum members with an easy to use, information rich forum.
In doing so I try to make their browsing experience as easy as possible.
I try my best to split topics and move things into their correct categories so that
all valuable information on the forum is easily accessible and easy to find.
It all comes back to structure and how you manage the forum.
I gather you didn't think that the forum was going to explode when you set it up ???
Now that the forum has well and truly exploded you can't be bothered? :-\
The sad thing at the end of the day is that some of your BIG CONTRIBUTORS no longer
frequent the forum. Valuable members with valuable knowledge - these are the ones that
make the forum!
At the end of this rant I'm sure I have made no impact on you whatsoever.
That's all good as I really don't care either! :D
Make the most of now and enjoy your bikes gents!
Jock
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MMM ??? Looks like a failed passive highjack to me . I have no problems with the way Graeme is running his show , and the majority would agree. Solong Jock , headmaster your own forum .
'Headmaster' I think not. Like I said - whatever works for Graeme - each to their own.
"failed passive highjack" this is formal forum talk that I have never heard before LOL :D
Graeme - no malice and definately no 'Headmastering' from me.
Hornet - I have no problems, it is not my forum and I do not care. LOL :D
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hey jock this is kaos we love it we have fun ,still find out very valuble info and ive made some good friends some good enemies ,and had a good old fashion laugh whats the address off this dictatorship (IT) forum im going to have a look at how you treat your prisioners
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it forum most ever online 12
oz vmx forum ............. 334
yep you have that under controll
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Threads? Are we talking about clothes now? :o
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shit there 25 blue yamaha circling my street wing ding ding wing ding ding hope there false teeth done come loose over the speed hump
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IMHO I think it should be up to the original poster. Most of us couldn't give a rats arse who chimes in and where the thread goes. Most of the good stuff comes out when the thread wanders and you get a few different points of view. If you are particularly concerned about it mention it in your initial post. Most people will respect that. Eventually we will get to know who worries about that stuff and who doesn't. We know at least 2 already ::)
I don't think any of us want to turn this thing into an anally retentive tech only no swearing infofest. I don't think that's what it's about. It's about having a bit of fun along the way.
Keep up the good work Graeme. For a "lazy prick" you are doing a bloody good job.
My 1 cent worth
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it going to be hot in melbourne again tomorrow 43 or more so my forum attire will be a stainless steel bucthers apron and thongs ,just in case off forum knife attack
You Bastards!, youv'e sent that shitty hot weather up our way now! I don't know why yous have got to involve us in your heatwave.. ???
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it forum most ever online 12
oz vmx forum ............. 334
Paul,
You made a mistake there mate, most online ever = 21. :D
In your haste to reply you must have read the 'most online today' figure.
Good laughs here - and your the one providing them, keep them coming!
Jock
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shit sorry my mistake missed out buy 9, im joining
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Sayes it all..... :o
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Sniff, sniff... what's that I smell?
Is it the smell of partial vindication?
... and Geoff we all talk to ourselves, some just a little more than others.
My next name will be caroma - as in the makers of toilets, on account I take so much piss.
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Alright, I guess I am not that lazy, and I DO care... a bit. I like to pretend that I just cruise along with a 'she'll be right' attitude. Y'see, I used to be a real anal retentive and I've been trying to overcome it for years. So I go out of my way to try to adoipt a more laid back persona. It almost works...
Thanks for the kind words, yes the forum does get along OK, and mostly the wandering produces some great 'streams of consciousness' stuff. If only Drakeford would add his 2c worth more often - that column in VMX is pure gold.
Jock, you're right - I could try a bit harder to keep on top of that side of things and I do admire the effort you go to with the IT Forum. I am pretty amazed at how much that one took off. Don't take offence at those twerps that are giving you a hard time - they probably ride Maicos.
I will admit I never expected OzVMX to be so successful - several other forums had been tried in the past with no real success. Why this one took off - dunno. Maybe a happy confluence of things, eh? Just as well though.
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Hijack.
There is the intentional hijack and the unintentional .
This will happen on ALL forums no matter what you do. trying to stop it is being a forum Nazi.
The unintentional hijack is innocent and is just friendly banter amongst a few people who you cant or dont get to catch up with via any other means.
What we do need to remember is that the internet is free and its for freedom of speech and we dont own anything on it and we certainly do not own a thread in a forum hosted by someone else. Never have never will. thats the facts.
Best we all get use to it boys and girls or go crazy fighting it no matter how strongly we may feel.
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Silver threads and golden needling has pissed off friends of mine.... :( apologies to Linda Ronstadt.....
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... I could try a bit harder to keep on top of that side of things... I will admit I never expected OzVMX to be so successful ... Why this one took off - dunno. Maybe a happy confluence of things, eh?
Nah Graeme: you DO stay on top of things.
They say a good Referee (or Umpire to you Southerners) is one that isn't noticed.
By that I mean you let the game flow... you don't blow the whistle at every little tweak of 'the rules'.
You've stepped in and locked topics when necessary; most recently the truly unfortunate incident involving the nicest Suzuki Guru on the Planet, Doc.
I think one bloke was 'sent off' - Rubberneck wasn't it?
"Why this (forum) took off"..., well in my opinion it's the free flowing and conversational style of the forum, with respectful (for the most part...) banter.
Yep, it's all about dirt bikes - and the technical stuff and hints are gold, but the 'havin' a chat around the barbie' is what makes it a pleasant forum to be a part of.
We're not planning an air strike over Berlin - or co-ordinating an escape from Alcatraz!
Nobody's life is in the balance if we don't pay strict adherence to the topic.
When a 'bling' bike is posted in a thread, the next post will likely be a comment on that photo.
Who'd 'save' the photo and re-insert in it's own new thread just to comment on that??!
Or the leaky diff or the flared pants you wore in that photo next to the new Torana or.........
It's a forum, it's conversation, it's knowledge - and it should be friendly and fun AND informative.
It's how we chat until next we meet at the track or the next Classic Dirt.
You've had your opinion, and that's mine. I've no apologies for enjoying a chat with like minded people.
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My next name will be caroma - as in the makers of toilets, on account I take so much piss.
Caroma's are also full of shit.
Then there is septic tank, that is chockers in shit. Which is also an old aussie reference to a 'yank'.
So you already have another name.
In my perfect world, there will be no famine, no guns , world peace and threads that stay on topic..... Hello! Ain't gunna happen!
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Lets not mention the arguments about QLD not going on to daylight savings eh?
Most of also know that Queenslanders are just Tasmanians in wife beaters and thongs...
Maybe you can change yours to redneck_cousin_lover?
Up the Redcliffe Dolphins!
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Its mostly the mexicans from down south who want the daylight saving .it is legal to marry your cousin,even tho the kids could well be you know,however it is not legal to marry your sister( the young tasmanian lad was telling his family about his new girlfriend that she was a virgin ,the Dad then stood up and said if she`s not good enough for her family , she`s not good enough for ours.)nothing wrong with thongs and a jackie howe. dolphins bah go seagulls !!
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Hey Geoff,
Just so long as you are dressed!!! The alternative doesn't bear [bare??] thinking about, especially on those chilly Broadford mornings.
VMX42
I can't wait to be whinging about chilly Broadfrod mornings.
If your about to drop by during this heatwave 42, then to save you on therapy costs you should ring first, otherwise you never know what you might be greeted with :o
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... and Geoff we all talk to ourselves, some just a little more than others.
Sorry to disappoint both Rudy's but I never gave either of you any thought in my first post, I was reffering to some others, still, if the hat fits....
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Geoff, your quote below.
"What seems to wind me up lately are the inane pointless posts that are popping up more frequently. Some people have registered all their multiple personalities & then proceed to have conversations with themselves & the gullible".
Is there another person with a couple sign ons taking the mick? Who is it, the four of us can play brigde.
If there isn't another inane pointless duo, then you last post makes no logical sense.
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sorry Rudy ,
plenty of people out there with split personalities.
Noel
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Damn, I gues I'm just one of the sheeple (sheep + people).