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Marque Remarks => Suzuki => Topic started by: Evil Rudy on January 30, 2009, 05:41:44 pm
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Ok Suzuki faithful... I need some help to complet the resto of my 77 RM 250.
Four things;
1. I need a person or shop in sydney that can split my cases and possibly fix the trans - jumping out of 2nd and 3rd from time to time. While they are there they can rebuild the crank and put in all new seals etc then do the top end. I just dont know of anyone who has done work on the old girls and the local Suzuki dealer will be able to remodel his kitchen with what they want to charge. I dont mind if its an idividual or a business.
2. My front brakes are shite. A new set of shoes has revealed that the inner lining is out of round - tried three different sets of shoes all with the same result. Anyone know someone who can machine the inside of a hub?
3. Head stem and swing arm bearings. Both sets were R.S. Suzuki has them OEM but but again - they could do a small remodel of a bathroom for the cost. I would apreciate any and all help.
4. Shocks - I know that YSS is a huge supporter for all things vintage, but has anyone else used anything different or have any recomendations?
The frame and swing arm are painted. The forks rebuilt. The spokes, plastics, handlebar, grips, tyres, chain, sprokets, seat foam & cover and decals are purchased. I'm pushing shit uphill, but would like to be ready for Heaven 1.
Thanks,
Rudy
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hi Evil
you could try MMT in Granville
9637 0277
used to be a vintage racer but has stopped riding last couple of years
If he won't do it he should be able to put you on to some one who can
cheers
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Regarding shocks it is all a question of how wide you want to open your wallet.... most of them require it to be pretty wide.
I think YSS are a great option with real live local support. Or you can go for something more traditional but usually you get what you pay for.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/IMG_1634.jpg)
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Phil at Lightfoot engineering in Melb just did a few wheels for me and relined my brakes and machined my drums to match. It is a very good job. I live in country NSW and used Aus Post to send the wheels and backing plates/shoes . Phil is a wheel builder etc and is very well priced. Go the OEM s/arm and steering head bearings, I just did my 250B, and don't know of any but OEM.( You can get loose ball bearings from the bearing shop.). I have had a few pair of shocks from the US- second hand Ohlins or Fox etc and get them rebuilt here by Mr Pons at Leumeah- you should be able to get a nice set, finished for $ 4-500.00.I don't think you can out of it for much less unless you have some good luck. I have had a few engines rebuilt by country bike shops for reasonable money. They usually charge out a much lower hourly workshop rate than the city. Call a couple and get a feel for their services. I use a courier- not one of the big names like Toll or TNT-use a small company; alot cheaper! Cheers.
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Really splitting cases is not big deal , make your self up a puller out of flat bar with holes drilled to take mag stator screws and a nut welded in centre that a bolt goes thru and loates on cranks .....piss easy
Most seals and bearings are available at Local bearing shop
Most likely case it's jumping out of gear is worn dogs = $$$ to replace or recut
Original shock can be rebuilt
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Regarding shocks it is all a question of how wide you want to open your wallet.... most of them require it to be pretty wide.
I think YSS are a great option with real live local support. Or you can go for something more traditional but usually you get what you pay for.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/IMG_1634.jpg)
Marc,
Take some scotchbrite to that forking swingarm will ya. it makes me feel crook every time I look at it... :-\
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OK fellas - lets focus. If you want to talk about stroking something with scotchbrite go to prettyboygonebad.com and leave my thread alone. I hear Tu-Pac is a member there - he can get you a dicount.
Seriously thanks for the input so far.
Cases and going into them scares me - like prison.
If it comes to undercutting dogs the ca$h is not an issue - the thought of some inept f@cker ruining them does.
Keep the advice comming.
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Re your front hub being out of round,
check the spokes have been tightened evenly.
I have a front wheel here that had a slightly buckled rim, it was trued up but the tension to true the rim pulled the hub out of round.
Brent
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OK fellas - lets focus. If you want to talk about stroking something with scotchbrite go to prettyboygonebad.com and leave my thread alone. I hear Tu-Pac is a member there - he can get you a dicount.
Seriously thanks for the input so far.
Cases and going into them scares me - like prison.
If it comes to undercutting dogs the ca$h is not an issue - the thought of some inept f@cker ruining them does.
Keep the advice comming.
Hey Ruddy, can we expect to see some images of you on prettyboygonebad.com ???, never heard of it before, and I don't think I want too., ???
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Hey Rudi I'm focused 8)
Can do the crank no problems, gears I would send to Col from Coljen Gearcutting in Melbourne for a look at them, if you can't find NOS ones he can make replacements better than OEM, BUT I wouldn't be surprised if the shift drum was the cause of the drama's.Worth checking the shift forks also.There would be $50-60 in bearings for the engine.Hubs are easy to machine provided you despoke the wheel or look for a lathe with at least 10in swing over the bed.
HTH
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No no, I'm on gooutsideandplayhideandgoforkyourself.com. This is a more hard core site, maybe stick to Tu-Pac's (Rob) site. I hear it has a row of tents.
Seriously thanks for the help...
Bearings anyone?
Someone once told me about a specialty bearing place near or arround Parra?
Lozza where are you at suburb wise?
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I spoked up a couple of new hubs and wasn't impressed with the brakes. An english specialist said they always go out of true when they are laced up so not so good milling them round before they are spoked.
Just his opinion, but it made sense to me.
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something I have never had a problem with in the 35 odd years with suzuki's is brake hubs going out of round or a lack of stopping power from the standard setup :-\ I could be extremely lucky I guess 8) if required a better stopper for the RM250B/C are the RM400/250N/ PE250/400 or DR500 full width hubs..much better. In most cases the wheel is pretty much a straight swap ;)
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No need for 'special' bearings (unless you want to) Evil, will be able to get them all from the shop down the road. I'm in Newcastle close but not to close to Rossco ;D
That's interesting the pulling out of round after spoking cloggy
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Marc,
Take some scotchbrite to that forking swingarm will ya. it makes me feel crook every time I look at it... :-\
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you mean like this one
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/FOXBIKE202.jpg)
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nothing like a little added polish and anodizing, just show restraint and keep it tasteful
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/marcFX_photo/627611598_1210380009.jpg)
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:o Marc! granted it is yellow but there's still no excuse to post a pic of a Ya Ma Ha in the Suzuki camp! ;) go give yourself 10 lashings with a 2.75x21 inner tube!
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Christ thats ugly :o looks like a Chinese rip off ;D
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I can't see any restraint with that god-awful YZee Marc. Can you delete it !!!!.Pleaseeee.
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I can't see any restraint with that god-awful YZee ...
Yeah, what he said... I'm assuming the 'restraint' quote was tongue in cheek?
'Pimping' and 'bling' are terms for that particular YZ - terms we didn't have back in the day.
But, as 'bling' is the go can I suggest some ape hanger bars and a sissy bar (in gold anodizing) to attract just a little more attention.
Coz attention is what it's about, surely?
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The sad thing is that some people will find this eysore cool. ::)
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do you own that thing mark fx if that hapens to the hl 500 man bring back the enola gay
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browsing for some kawa plastics the other night and you know, I always thought it was Bob Hannah who introduced lightning bolts to MX. Seems I was wrong :P that honor goes to the '76 KX Kwacka's for bringing them into the mainstream world of Motocross. I'd never noticed before :-\ ;)
(http://www.nightmare-racing.com/76_tank.jpg)
it's only a little pic of a kawa tank but I'll still go and give myself a few lashes for being so inconsiderate ::)
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I think your taking a liking to your self lacerating Doc and maybe unearthing some sort of a rubber fetish :o :o :o
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A narcotics agent that has nicked/bonked your Sis and Mum????
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Doc's Little Shop of SM! Hardly Loz!! :D thinking of rubber and I do believe it's time we show the 'secret Honda training' vid....again ;D
http://www.youtube.com/v/g7aK8d3MVKI&hl (http://www.youtube.com/v/g7aK8d3MVKI&hl)
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Hey Doc - that's a bit rough. I might be white at the moment but have an eternal soft spot for something red in the shed!!! :o
Rossco
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OK I was a little tongue in cheek.... but pimping the ride is pretty cool part of MX/
apologies for the YAM....I had the good sense to paint mine white
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That's okay Rossco, I have 2 of them Honda thingys also but mine aren't red ;D
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OK seriously guys, your "help" is strarting to piss me off... is you want to chuff on a verbaly masterbate about your bikes, start another thread and stop lo-jacking mine.
You all seem to be missing the questions i had. FFS stay focused
So far i now know that i need to check the wheel for roundness to see if the spokes have pulled it - check
No shit I'll take the hub bare to someone, but my question was who in or arround Sydney.
Lozza, thanks for the offer - lets discuss further. if its the shift drum then what? Can that be fixed?
More specifically, does anyone know if you can get a set of tapered rollers for the old girl's head set?
Rudy
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OK seriously guys, your "help" is strarting to piss me off... is you want to chuff on a verbaly masterbate about your bikes, start another thread and stop lo-jacking mine.
You all seem to be missing the questions i had. FFS stay focused
So far i now know that i need to check the wheel for roundness to see if the spokes have pulled it - check
No shit I'll take the hub bare to someone, but my question was who in or arround Sydney.
Lozza, thanks for the offer - lets discuss further. if its the shift drum then what? Can that be fixed?
More specifically, does anyone know if you can get a set of tapered rollers for the old girl's head set?
Rudy
Go see Balls with your Hub, he will give you some good advise, he is at Pendle Hill 0413 662 029
You can the headset bearing from a Suzuki Dealer, or if you have samples, any bearing supply company like
Bearing Industries Seven Hills Rd (cnr Station Rd)
Seven Hills NSW 2147
And you can get all that annodising done at Universal Annodisers at Wetherill Park, I hear they can also polish your swingarm. and FTD in Queensland can make lightning bolts stickers for any type of bike you want :D :D :D ;D
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It's a simple process of elimination, if the dogs and mating slots look rounded then there is your problem, however(through experience) this can sometimes be the symptom of the problem.The shift drum may not allow the the fork to engage the gears enough.Then you need to find another shift drumor shim the gear for a more positive engagement.I don't know anyone who repairs the grooves.
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Fatter pin in shift fork ;)
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Front brakes are shite. A new set of shoes has revealed that the inner lining is out of round - tried three different sets of shoes all with the same result. Anyone know someone who can machine the inside of a hub?
If you have the bare hub, then any machine shop and 1/2 decent machinist will be capable. In my expierence you will spend a bunch of dollars and have a hub that will be oversize and the only shoes that will fit are custome built ones. I know this because i went through the same process. In all honesty, try and track down another hub better than your's and keep it all standard. As advised else where PE units will fit and you dont have to mod the forks to get them to fit. In the short term you can use them and keep looking for a better replacement than the one you have.
Head stem and swing arm bearings.
Head stem bearings are avaliable as a double taper roller conversion kit from All-Balls. If my memory serves me well when i did this on the 370, you have to press out the steerer tube and machine an extra 5mm down the shaft to allow the taper roller to sit further down the steerer tube. Swing Arm bearings. I am about to investigate using the RM250 N/T kit and see if that will work. If you are really stuck let me know as i may have a reasonable used set.
Shocks
Shocks are all about the size of the wallett. The cheapest way is to have yours modded and recoed. The next alternative is to get onto ebay and find a set of used Ohlins. As long as the shafts are o/k they are not expensive to o/haul. Keep away from remote resevoir units. The last few sets that i have got had rusted out reservoirs as they are steel. The next option is new. YSS are probably the best value for money and you have local support. If you have the $'s then new Ohlins or WP are the way to go but you will pay better than $1500 to get them. Dont even consider the cheaper alternative new units that are on offer as they are crap.
Gearbox
As a matter of standard practice, i have all my RM gearbox dogs undercut when i recondition an engine. I have mine done by WideLine Motorcycling Engineering in Hastings, Victoria.
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I have a few sets of the ohlins remote reservoirs. And the reservoirs are good. Only one pair were too rusty but they were over all in very bad condition and I didn’t get them to restore anyway. How ever don’t let a rusty reservoir put you off.
It would be very easy to machine off reservoir body from the end cap has the thread for the hose. This end is originally welded on to the reservoir body so you can just machine off the weld. You can then machine up a new reservoir body and then weld that back onto the cap with the hose thread. You will offcourse need to machine a c-clip groove in the other end for the reservoir cap with the valve. I have a cross section drawing of the reservoirs and that shows me the exact way the end cap and body are fitted and welded together so that makes it even easier.
Other option is to just get rid of the complete steel reservoir and fit the newer 44mm gold remote reservoirs, which is another thing im working on
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OK seriously guys, your "help" is strarting to piss me off... is you want to chuff on a verbaly masterbate about your bikes, start another thread and stop lo-jacking mine.
You all seem to be missing the questions i had. FFS stay focused
most of your original questions were answered before the crap began Rudy and you've been given a shitload of information..as a relative forum newby you really should lighten up ;)
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Gee thanks for the manners lesson Doc. I guess since I'm a newbie and all, you’re right...
Wait a minute - Capital G, Capital F Doc. Don’t give me that "locals only" bull shit. Just because I don’t feel compelled to have a smart arsed answer to every friggin post made on this forum doesn’t make me a newbie.
Shoot Doc, you almost had me changing my name to Congenial Rudy or Super Nice Rudy.
Seriously, thanks for the help.
Rudy
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We all have to start somewhere . You did it Rudy. 8)
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You can the headset bearing from a Suzuki Dealer, or if you have samples, any bearing supply company like
Bearing Industries Seven Hills Rd (cnr Station Rd)
Seven Hills NSW 2147
yep - very nice guy. He has lots of the old stuff and is prepared to rummage around. My PE175 got a collection of bearings from him (one oddball with a pin he could not get). Recommended.
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OK seriously guys, your "help" is strarting to piss me off... is you want to chuff on a verbaly masterbate about your bikes, start another thread and stop lo-jacking mine.
Rudy
I don't know seems like your questions were pretty well covered before you got over excited. Did you miss your medication.
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Jesus Marc, if you're going to have ago at someone at least get the punctuation right. This is tame for me - Rossco can vouch for that.
All a guy wants is a little help and it turns into a f@cking cock out session so far from the topic it's laughable.
Anyways - who spells Mark with a "c"? Either parents who were hoping for a poof or the French (cheese eating surrender monkeys)...
Rudy
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Perhaps rubbing your bling under peoples noses is not the best idea ? ???
Just reviewing my post I started out with well meaning comments about shocks, regarding the spelling of my name at least I have the confidence to use my real one.
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I'm thinking a group hug at CD6 should put this all back on track...
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Jesus Marc, if you're going to have ago at someone at least get the punctuation right. This is tame for me - Rossco can vouch for that.
All a guy wants is a little help and it turns into a f@cking cock out session so far from the topic it's laughable.
Anyways - who spells Mark with a "c"? Either parents who were hoping for a poof or the French (cheese eating surrender monkeys)...
Rudy
No need for personal attcks Ruddy, it's all just good fun and good free advise, you are just damaging the forum in general with re'marc's like that (excuse the pun). so settle down, relax and enjoy.. :-*
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no Rudy, a bad attitude is a bad attitude no matter how you look at it, you my friend, have a bad attitude. I do not give a toss who you are or where you are or what you have or don't have ::) you are offending decent people and this is not helping your cause. Catch more flies with honey than you will with vinegar and your derogatory comments are quite bitter toward people whom gladly offered up advise at the drop of a hat. Loosen up Rudy or you WILL have to change your name..Nigel No Friends :-*
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Why is doc a "Guest" ??? ??? ???
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Anyways - who spells Mark with a "c"? Either parents who were hoping for a poof or the French (cheese eating surrender monkeys)...
Rudy
Unfortunately both my parents have passed recently , so I am not really in a position to ask them.
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Jesus Marc, if you're going to have ago at someone at least get the punctuation right. This is tame for me - Rossco can vouch for that.
All a guy wants is a little help and it turns into a f@cking cock out session so far from the topic it's laughable.
Anyways - who spells Mark with a "c"? Either parents who were hoping for a poof or the French (cheese eating surrender monkeys)...
Rudy
This is the type of rude, intolerant crap that's driving people away from this forum like rats off a sinking ship. Who in the hell do you think you are you are Rudy? Evo asked why Doc is a guest, well he's resigned from the forum. That follows Walter YSS last week and others. I'll be joining them in a minute. It's true what one regular forum contributer told me just yesterday. This forum has becom an asylum for wankers, wannabes and bullshitters. The fair duinkum contributers are contributing less and less because of trumped up imported tossers like Rudy and other notables. Don't take it seriously Marc (my grandson has the same spelling).
I'm outta here.
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Ok I’m as light as helium... but I do have a bad attitude for the most part.
...and an acerbic wit (that’s not Acerbis – they make fenders).
...I don’t hide behind any nomenclature, all the Heaven guys know who I am – Mark Drinkwalter, and I’m a big enough boy to take my licks when I upset someone. I like hugs too.
When and if you meet me, as imported as I may be, you realise that I don’t toss and have never played the trumpet. Anyhoo I’m as Australian as Ampol now.
What a social experiment. I guess the written word is still too harsh without the inflection of the spoken word.
Growing up in NY near the Canadian border I’ve always been jealous of the Marc’s I’ve met because they were all French Canadian. Now those people can really piss you off. Imagine the arrogance of the French coupled with being angry because they got left behind 300 years ago... I would have fit in so well.
But the mom and dad thing... come on Marc, there just nowhere to come back from that – bad cricket I guess.
Seriously thanks for the help.
Rudy
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This is so sad. Who is this Evil Rudy guy any way? I'm only a part timer on this forum but I've been lurking since before the Turks hijacked the old forum. In that time I've seen a lot of great posts from extremely knowledgable people. Lately however I've watched the forum turn into a wankfest and many of the older, long term members severely cut back their contributions. The forum vibe has seriously deteriorated and the fact that Doc, one of the forums more interesting and knowledgable long termers and Walter, one of the smartest suspension guys in the business have both upped anchor is a sign that the lunatics are indeed taking over. My old racing mate Yamaboy is another long termer who has been around the sport since day one who's obviously had enough . I'm certain more will follow.
Rudys rudeness is a classic example of the fading content that needs to be adressed pronto. My main problem is peoples intolerance of others interests. I'm so tired of reading what pieces of crap Maico/Yamaha/Honda/Montesa or whatever are. What possesses someone to take the time to post that he thinks that a particular bike is a piece of shit. Who cares? We're all in this sport because we love old bikes but the intolerance towards other peoples likes is sometimes bordering on "mechanical racism" as old Firko one wrote somewhere.
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Growing up in NY near the Canadian border I’ve always been jealous of the Marc’s I’ve met because they were all French Canadian. Now those people can really piss you off. Imagine the arrogance of the French coupled with being angry because they got left behind 300 years ago... I would have fit in so well.
;D I am married to one ;D too funny.
Anyway Mark, good luck with your RM370 hope you get it sorted out.
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Anyway is one word.
... and i love Montesas. I just to say the word Montesa.
Try it in a Tony Montana voice. "Say hello to my little Motessa".
Rudy
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When they voted to seceed from Canada - they missed by .1% of the vote. Had they been sucessful I would have emigrated there.
Sadly they lost and I ended up in Australia. Four years of High School French classes waisted.
Rudy
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That's wasted, there's no i. Nice to be popular Rudy ol' mate, back from holidays I see. How you been?
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I hate Bill Gates.
He’s been spelling for me for so long that when I go it alone just once I step on my Johnson. I am sadly part of the decline of western civilisation.
The break was nice. I’m trying to make new friends as part of my new year’s resolution. It doesn’t seem to be going so well.
Are you coming out to play in Heaven this year? It would be an honour to be lapped by you... and might I add, to have a conversation with soemone who isn't wearing comfortable shoes - when do you and Firko have board meetings?
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The next board meeting will be next week I'm hoping, I've just got to check with Chairman Firko. We would be glad to have you along to cleanse you of your sins. It would go something like this " Hi, I'm Rudy, and I seem to have trouble making new friends", why are people so unkind?
As for racing this year, I'll do a few but there's no way I can commit to 9 meetings, maybe I'll do 5 or six. With CD6 and the Nationals I'm booked out I reckon. You?.
Now, be nice young man OK!!!!
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Drop me a line when you know when and where.
"Hi I'm Rudy, and antagonistic prick who hates poor grammar, illogical arguments, posts that drift off into oblivion, and long walks at sunset".
The potential is there to go to something every month; however the minister for finance is building a new house this year so we’ll see. I won’t do all rounds as some tracks shit me. Plus I want to Vinduro with Tu-Pac a couple of times as well.
I’m considering CD6. What plans have you? I have extremely large Spinter Van and company gas card.
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For those of you who know Rudy, you may be able to forgive him for his demeanor on this forum, which is poor at best :-\. For me and probably a lot of others, I wish he'd make is final post real soon.
Cheers,
K
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I'm with Big K. Rudy, you may be Mother Teresas brother in law and be the life of every party but going by your attitude and smarmy "apologies" you come accross as a grade one tosser. What a forking gooose you've shown yourself to be.
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When did I apologise?
Now we have an illiterate on the thread.
I get wise with some people for not sticking to the subject and that’s bad... agreed in principal.
You call someone out using profanity and you’re doing it out of benevolence for others?
50/50
... and calling me a goose is the second nicest thing someone said to me today.