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Marque Remarks => Spaniards (Bultaco, Ossa, Montesa etc) => Topic started by: cappra on January 29, 2009, 10:37:24 am

Title: original VR
Post by: cappra on January 29, 2009, 10:37:24 am: Here's one you don't see often. An original (except for the mudguards and petcocks) 74 VR in showroom condition!
He's looking for a pair of original guards to make it complete.
(http://www.southwestmontesa.com/ebay/originalvr.jpg)
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Post by: paul on January 29, 2009, 10:44:53 am: gear shift original .its a nice bike
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Post by: JC on January 29, 2009, 07:01:46 pm: Beautiful!
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Post by: holeshot buddy on January 29, 2009, 09:20:19 pm: mmmmmmm nice ;D
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Post by: cappra on January 29, 2009, 09:40:31 pm: Here's another shot showing the correct light grey coloured Montesa logo.
(http://www.southwestmontesa.com/ebay/originalvr2.jpg)
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Post by: holeshot buddy on January 29, 2009, 09:50:35 pm: got any other pictures jared ;D
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Post by: VMX247 on January 29, 2009, 09:58:02 pm: Quote from: 390 Ross on January 29, 2009, 09:52:18 pm
Man! That should be kept in a humidi-crib!

it is,,, that work shop/garage is one clean space.
Nice Montesa to match 8)
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Post by: paul on January 29, 2009, 10:11:13 pm: is that a stethascope on the wall :o
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Post by: cappra on January 30, 2009, 06:35:08 am: Here's a couple more. Owner bought the bike new and has only ridden it about 20 miles.
(http://www.southwestmontesa.com/ebay/vr3.jpg)
(http://www.southwestmontesa.com/ebay/plate.jpg)
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Post by: shortshifter on January 30, 2009, 11:30:04 am: One of the best looking and most purposeful mx bikes ever built.
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Post by: Freakshow on January 30, 2009, 11:37:29 am: Whats the story on the front plate ? was it an advertising thing at the time ?

IS it easy to get piston for these ? im still thinking of getting a VR to race, if i can find one with a good motor, but people keep putting me off with all there down sides ( yes ross you, or is it you just dont like me ::))

anyhoooow the latest is the pistons are really hard to get , whats the truth to that ?
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Post by: Freakshow on January 30, 2009, 11:41:13 am: Got any pics of the sprocket side showing the rear arm and shock mounts ?
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Post by: bigk on January 30, 2009, 02:10:09 pm: With all the talk on the VR's, I thought I'd better pull my good race ready one out & give her a go, as I have never ridden it. Wow! Strong and tractable right off the bottom, huge mid range, falls a little off the top but no problem. More power than my Husky 250 mag but doesn't handle as good and tends to want to wheel stand under full power. Excellent overall and still better than any pre'75 oriental bike I've ridden. I could happily race one with some personal suspension mods & set up. It looks like I will be "sponsoring" another "mate" on the VR this season. Can't wait for the season to begin, looking forward to a heap of fun.
Cheers,
K
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Post by: Freakshow on January 30, 2009, 02:21:22 pm: narr why take the risk, sell it too me. think it as branching out to interstate sponserships.
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Post by: runutz698 on January 30, 2009, 02:32:56 pm: That is very neat machine indeed, I must the build quailty of the montesa's was of a very high standard. So what are you going to offer him Jared??

Cheers
Tom
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Post by: T250K on January 30, 2009, 02:39:38 pm: I'd also like to hear both sides of the VR story :). Not just a pretty face it seems, how do they compare to the Ossa phantom from the same period ? I've ' almost ' bought three VR 250's at different times, would still be interested if anyone has a really good one for sale ::). Cheers
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Post by: cappra on January 30, 2009, 06:15:47 pm: He made it very clear that the bike is not for sale at this time!
(http://www.southwestmontesa.com/ebay/rear.jpg)
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Post by: cappra on January 30, 2009, 06:26:05 pm: The rear guard is a KN and the front one is a "highwinder" a popular replacement in the day (God knows why!)
I actually have four new highwinders in stock!

(http://www.southwestmontesa.com/ebay/vr4.jpg)
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Post by: mx250 on January 30, 2009, 06:27:02 pm: (http://www.southwestmontesa.com/ebay/plate.jpg)

"Still Better!?" Either that's Spanlish or something was lost in the translation ::). (Is it a statement or a question?).
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Post by: mx250 on January 30, 2009, 06:30:15 pm: Quote from: cappra on January 30, 2009, 06:26:05 pm
(http://www.southwestmontesa.com/ebay/vr4.jpg)
Hey Jared, a bit cold at your place at the mo is it? Ya should be here; about 40c in the Sun at work today :o ;) :D.
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Post by: cappra on January 30, 2009, 06:30:23 pm: I think it's both!
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Post by: cappra on January 30, 2009, 06:32:16 pm: No, pictures were taken at his location back east. We are at 60 degrees and clear here in Arizona.
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Post by: cappra on January 30, 2009, 06:38:44 pm: Here's a "highwinder" mudguard mounted on Peter Lamppu's works 360.
(http://www.southwestmontesa.com/ebay/lamppu.jpg)
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Post by: cappra on January 30, 2009, 08:27:01 pm: I asked Martin Belair who worked at the factory for a time and he said he remembered
going over to one of warehouses near the main plant and there was all kinds of projects,
works bikes, experimental bikes all crammed into this one dimly lit warehouse. Shortly after
Honda took over, he said everything was gone from this warehouse. Some of it got taken
to the scrappers, and much of it was "liberated" by employee's. He told me he remembers
seeing employee's jumping on the trucks and tossing off parts to their buddies. So, who know's
what is stashed away in Spain. I have only seen a couple semi works bikes and one of the came from
Australia. A VA 125 that Lyall built, that Jeff Nolan bought. The other was a Peter Lamppu 63M
that was stock except for a factory done cylinder.
Title: Re: original VR
Post by: cappra on January 30, 2009, 08:43:22 pm: I have some pre 75 and some post 81 pics, but none in the 77/78 time frame. I saw two Montesa
works riders in 77 and 78. Raymond Boven in 77' and his bike looked bone stock except for the pipe and shocks.
Was at the 78' US GP and Tarao Suzuki was there. Only changes I saw was the pipe and shocks and they had
fitted the new FIM required VE style side covers. I'm sure they didn't use the original tires as well, but other
than that they sure looked stock!
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Post by: cappra on January 30, 2009, 08:51:53 pm: Seems that Lyall was the most active dealer in the world in regards to modifiying the bikes.
The only place that did any kind of that here in the states was Wheelsmith, and he was only
involved with Montesa for a couple of years. I did see a couple of VA360's with Maico forks!
He did sponsor one rider Jon Derhamer and they did do some work to the motors and build
a pipe (I have a Wheelsmith motor in my VA) but it was no Maico and they lost interest
after awhile. End of that story...
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Post by: albrid-3 on January 30, 2009, 09:37:04 pm: I Know of 2 montesa one l can buy, and the other is ? may be for sale and this one is mint genuine vr 250, the other is a v75 250 VR., Needs restoring, but have a very good running engine.
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Post by: paul on January 30, 2009, 09:41:35 pm: ebay mmmmmonty price rise / nurse nurse come quick
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1974-Montessa-Cota_W0QQitemZ250365460386QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Motorcycles?hash=item250365460386&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Title: Re: original VR
Post by: paul on January 30, 2009, 09:53:09 pm: funny thing is he doesnt know what he selling :o
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Post by: albrid-3 on January 30, 2009, 10:08:49 pm: THAT IS TRUE, HE HAS BEEN SITTING BACK IN HIS ARM CHAIR IN HIS SHED LOOKING AT A COTA.
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Post by: cappra on January 31, 2009, 02:33:28 am: And, of course the head is on backwards! >:(
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Post by: cappra on January 31, 2009, 02:52:33 am: Geez, you guy's are really cooking down there!
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Post by: 360DUDE on January 31, 2009, 08:52:35 am: Funny looking Cota :o
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Post by: holeshot buddy on January 31, 2009, 12:52:25 pm: shit nice cota i am gunna take up vintage trials
on that baby :o
hey jared is that some special one of model ;D ;D ;D ;)
funny though it looks a bit like a cappra ::)
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Post by: runutz698 on January 31, 2009, 03:54:01 pm: Has anyone messaged him to ask any questions?? I think you would get a classic reponse just judging by the ad.

I mean he has a photo of the bike with montesa clear as day on the tank and then spells it Montessa!!!

So who is up for it, in the ad it says it is a good investment, with the way shares are going up and down he could be right lol
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Post by: cappra on January 31, 2009, 04:14:21 pm: In the description section, it say's 300 bhp! Yikes... that's one powerful Cota.
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Post by: David Lahey on February 01, 2009, 09:00:39 am: Yes I messaged him and he reckons he was told it was a Cota when he got it and has believed that ever since. Sounds a bit dodgy to me.
Title: Re: original VR
Post by: runutz698 on February 01, 2009, 01:05:29 pm: So he obviously does not look at the internet ever, even thow he has an ebay account???
Title: Re: original VR
Post by: Freakshow on February 01, 2009, 02:52:16 pm: Zero feedback..... well on that account anyway ;D