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Marque Remarks => Suzuki => Topic started by: VMX247 on January 22, 2009, 10:03:51 pm
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Suzuki-SUZUKI-TS-250_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a1Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1308QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem150321025386QQitemZ150321025386QQptZUSQ5fmotorcycles
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Different strokes for different folks. For the money if you tried to build it you'd struggle and may only break even if you do don't include your labour. I like it..no I love it though not my prefered model ;D as I've always said it does not matter what bike you resto the same amount of work goes into each and every one. All bikes deserve respect for what they are and not just because of their popularity rating ;) I'd reckon a 350Bighorn in the same condition would fetch just as much as the TS and they were even less popular :)
sorta makes my TS look a little sick but I'm a little light in the engine department..one way to cut the weight down..just need to fit the pedals :D
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looks pretty good, somethings might be a little over done, but i really couldnt say for sure from just going by photos that dont always tell the story, but a little over done is better then being under done and having little things here and there not done like an unplated bolt or rusty kill swtich brackets. ive seen 'restos' done where the bike has been done to an overall good standard but then they didnt take the time to properly prepare the engine cases by either sanding smooth or stripping the old paint and had just painted over top of old patchy/peeling/flaky paint which let the bike down overall ::)
with this one i think i would feel like im on a kawasaki though.
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whats that white one you got in the backround?
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Looks pretty good to me Leith. The TS's were quite highly polished from the factory and the japs used real chrome back then which was the equivelant of the now so called 'triple plating' The colour was pretty popular back then, had a TS90 the same colour ;) I do prefer the red/orange and I do prefer the '73 model so I think I'll have to pass up on this one :D
that white ones a foreign job ;) Austrian I think :P
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ive seen some NOS chrome stuff from the 70's that ive put on a 74 T500 im doing like NOS handlebars and the chrome is so crap but thats the original finish /quality so ive left them as they are.
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colour seems to match the colour theme they had back then, and I don't mind it at all
Is that a Tm he has behind the TS 400 ???
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does indeed look like a '71 TM400 oldfart, good spotting, I was too busy looking at the TS250 and the 400 directly beside the it ;)
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I think the colour is sharp :-* nice bikes in the rest of the shed too :o
be a nice little bike for some one.. 8)
Its up to $6888.11 aus now,still some money around.
The bidders are all usa ??..Why do they have a buyer names like B***L , P***P,M***L...... is it a company or just the way buyers do it in USA ??? ???
cheers
the Steve McQueen road bike has private bidders identity hidden,,gotta be a security thing happening,suppose we can't all be honest johnnies ;D
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whats that white one you got in the backround?
looks like a 1985/6 ktm125 or 250
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Alison its just shown like that so you cant see the bidder, if you go in after wards it show them in full, like ebay Au now does the bidder 1, bidder 2 thing now until its won. i think its one of those ebay privacy/keep bidders bidding things ? ::)
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i mean what is that white one in the back round of Docs photo, i thought that was his bike.
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i mean what is that white one in the back round of Docs photo, i thought that was his bike.
which photo and where ? LWC3077
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2nd post on this topic. TS with yellow tank and white rear fender. behind/in front it is a white water cooled bike
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sorry, helps to be login hey :-\
cheers
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OOH I know where a couple of those are. A mate of mine has a 71/72 TS250 and possibly a 400 in his shed. Last time I saw them they were a bit rusty but they are as they left the factory. He told me rode the TM 250 through the Simpson Desrt back in 72/73 with a mate to Darwin. The 250 packed it in because it had a paper type air filter. His mate towed him to Darwin with his then new TM400. He got it fixed in town and the local bike shop would put it on display when he was away working. I know Ive seen a red one and possibly a 185. He also has a Suzuki Husky I think it's called with a 3speed hi-low gear change off the tank, about early 70's or even late 60's.
I've known him for 20 years and the bikes have never been out of the shed in that time. He also has a couple of early full floater DR rolling chassis laying around. He may want to sell not sure. I'll find out.
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jeez that would be a nice little find Maicoman, I'd give em' all a home if I could :) The ol' TS in average condition is not worth much at all on todays market being almost giveaway. A decent unrestored item probably wouldn't fetch more than $1500-$2000 on a good day but retored they seem to pull the big $ and are comparable or bettering near anything else from japan in the same era ;) I'd like to see what that tank shift 'Husky' is exactly. I don't ever remember anything coming from Suzuki like that but the mention of a bike like this is ringing a bell somewhere in the ol' grey matter :-\ the name sounds familiar but not a suzuki..jeez wish I could remember..bugger! I hate this on a Sunday morning! ::) :D
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Hey Doc I think I got my wires crossed. It was a Suzuki Hustler. I'm not sure if that was a road bike (before my era) but the bike I saw had the hi-low range shift lever coming out of the top of the crankcase. Possibly a type of farm bike. ???
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ah, no worries, Suzuki named a few models the Hustler most popular was the GT250 roady but some TS250's and TS50's were also Hustlers in other countries. Hi-Lo ratio would be a TC either 120,90,100,125 or 185. There were other larger TC's 200,250 and 305 models early on but these were 6 speed twin cylinder roady jobs.
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Did someone mention TC high lows.... ;) Cheers Tim
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Cant remember a suzi having a tank mounted gear change but do sort of remember a little kwaka only available in unzud that had one.
maybe i remember wrong but the hillbillies and colledas were all
normal foot change i think
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Doc/Maicoman,
The bike yr thinking of would surely be the little banana-framed 120 w dual range 3sp box w T-lever on top of LHS cases. circa 1970. It was called somethingrather "cat" as I recall. My school mate had one when we were kids & they were half decent stripped down for a kids playbike.
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aye, that would be the TC120 Cat from '69ish JC. I have a couple of the regular 4 speed 120 engines here I was going to build a Peter Gaunt trials replica around but I kind of forgot all about it :D until now that is ;D
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This is the Peter Gaunt 120cc Suzuki with me aboard circa 1969.( I was big as a 6y/o but as luck had it, I stopped growing :P) Anyway, you can see I was really really enjoying myself frolicking on the Scottish hillsides, least I think I was in Scotland :-\ even sporting my fav number 8)..gotta love photoshop :D
sorry, back to the topic ::)
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Doc,
Beats me why somebody didn't attempt to make a trials bike out of the 185 Suz bored 2mm to 200, to rival the TY175/Cota 172. Shorter swingarm, rearset/raised pegs, slimmer tank/seat etc
I know the Gaunt 120 was a little earlier than the TS185 was released, but it surely would have made a much better bike I would have tho't. Maybe a Gaunt replica w a 185/200 motor would be a better mouse-trap!
Could even use the 10speed TC185 motor if you could remove the electric starter, run a regular flywheel ign & slim the LHS ign cover. Yeh I know, lots of work, but even the TS185 motor would make good basis for trials engine w its mild port timing & compact/lightweight size I would have thot.
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plus 2mm (66mm) only makes them 195cc. 67mm makes them 200cc ;) im looking into it.
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I'll try to get some pics of the bikes when I see my mate. He's hard to catch at the best of times and may be a bit funny about what he wants shown, can't blame him though I would be the same.
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hey Doc, you haven't changed much over the years ;D
I had no trouble recognizing you 8)
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Green machine TS 250 SOLD for
$6914.57 Aus :o
$ 4500 US
28 bids 8)
cheers
Alison
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a nice price for a nice bike Allison ;)
Brent, about the only change is to my hat size. With the gradual depletion of my hair due to climate change, ozone degredation and old age I've had to go down a size in my helmets :D
JC, an RL185 had crossed my mind pre RL250 days. So much to the point I modified the rear sub frame and repositioned the footpegs on a TS185ER before losing the plot when a real RL arrived on the scene ;D
I wanted to use the ER model as they definately pack a lot more punch and are more responsive off the bottom compared to the early models. If I do build something it will be a 60's replica with the 120 motor as I have all the running gear neccessary but not the time to piece it together ::) if I don't build this bike then there is a very good chance I would never do anything with the stuff, it's the only way I can think of utilizing parts that will otherwise gather dust till I croak :) maybe a good winter project ;)
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LWC,
yes I know, but 195 is close enough to 200 for me. If you go to 67mm you leave the liner skirt only 2.5mm think which is too thin in my book.
Doc, yes I thought about a 185ER too, but I rather like to keep to the early 70's era/look & it may just make something half-decent out of a TS185J/K/L
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Well in a way it is keeping in with the RL theme by using the reed motor as the later Beamish units utilized reed induction in '78 when the last of the silver engine jobs was sold as the RL250A. The RL325/250 black engined reed induction models ran right up to 1981 and this is what the RL185 could be based upon using the '78 and onwards case reed 185 motor ;D maybe.. :-\ too many ideas and too little time ::) don't s'pose you seen any Whitlock RL frames laying around recently? :P
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ok tell me this, will a RL325 barrel fit on a reed valve TS 250ER bottom end? i know the porting will be more conservative for trials use but that could be changed maybe? how rare/hard to get are reed valve RL325 motors?
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I believe the 325 RL is nothing like the TS250 Leith. I'd have to double check and I do have a parts list somewhere for the 325 but near sure they're entirely different critters. Base gasket comparison should give an indication ;)
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I'm believe yr right (again) Doc. As far as I can tell RL325 used regular style reed-valve, not case reed-valve (like RMs) of the ERs.
There were some mag articles in early 70's taking TS/TM250 out to 325 using 80mm piston & new sleeve
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interesting thought JC and I remember over in the west, around '76ish, 2 average guys :P (1 was Ray Ryan can't remember the other off the top) well they built up a CR360 (I think, could of been a 380) using the same stroked overbore principle and a CR250 bottom end. It went like the proverbial powers of piss (weird saying that one! :-\) but it did have some issues due to the increased HP. If one had the time, money, know how, equipment and inclination it could be a worthwhile proposition for the TM250. A TM325 (but stroked and preferably 360ish) in the pre'75 open as opposed to the TM400 widowmaker could be just the ticket ;D a ticket to what I don't know but she'd be very different 8)
RL325 parts catalogue here ;) http://www.crooks-suzuki.com/index.php?p=76 (http://www.crooks-suzuki.com/index.php?p=76)
I mentoned to Leith already but notice they also have 2 flywheel weights. 1 either side of the crank. Std flywheel magneto on left but also the disc in behind the primary drive gear on the right. Loads of other differences too...
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;D found a pic of my half hearted ERL185. I remember now, I moved the footpeg back and up and made sure the kickstart cleared it but alas it smacked into the brake lever and I couldn't/wouldn't think of a solution, then a real RL rocked along and I lived happily ever after ;D