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Marque Remarks => Yamaha => Topic started by: Mick on November 01, 2008, 05:51:18 pm
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I just spent $200.00 on a couple of DC Plastics for my IT 175 G and what total crap they are, no were near like DC claims they are, headlight will not fit in to surround, holes missing and ones that are there dont match up good and there is plenty of other bits that are missing or even new things molded in that look nothing like the real thing,,,but i guess most of you here already know this and now i do to :-\ ,,,
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welcome to the complants about dc club >:(
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Yes i figgered there would be plenty disapointed with what they got, which is nothing like what the DC site states they are,,,,im wondering if it would be worth writing to the Yamaha, Suzuki,s etc, etc companys and see if they would start making these plastics they have stopped,,,,i mean you can still buy some plastics for some bikes, but just not all the plastics for that year,,,,im guessing they would still have the molds and now with so many people around the world wanting these,,,,i would pay good money for these atleast then i would get quality plastics.
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I've heard a lot of complaints about DC Plastics, but have never tried them myself. I need a rear guard for my IT175G, did you get one of those at all? How well did it fit? Cos I am happy to buy one if it's at all close. It only has to be good enough to bolt on as it's a vinduro bike.
I am right for sidecovers and front guard as the originals are fine, but clearly the owner has discovered just how far back the wheelie balance point is on these things...
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im very sorry you had to find out this for your self. you are certainly not the only who has been dissapointed with their stuff
i dont know why they have gone to all this trouble and effort to make vintage plastics but are producing sub standard quality.
some of the parts they do dont have proper mounting tabs and when you ask why they just brush you off and say 'just use zip ties' ::)
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Sure, what DC plastics makes is never going to match what a large Japanese corporation can manufacture but do you have any idea what it costs for him to make just ONE mold for a set of side covers (about $5000!) and when you look at the full inventory of what he is reproducing it represents a HUGE investment. Instead of bad mouthing the guy ('cause it is just ONE guy) how about giving back some constructive critisism, he completely abandoned a whole run of YZ465/250 side covers because of fitting issues (500 sets) and remade them much better. I have bought plastics for several different makes and models and have found they were all strong and durable yet not concourse or museum quality, which for a RACER doesn't mean squat. My MX250 has a full set of DC plastics and looks quite good for a race bike.For your IT I suggest buying Xtreme YZ Vacuum formed YZ125G side covers and fenders in white and a white Clarke tank and a white TT250G headlight and it would look sweet.
(http://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2008/10/02/bikepics-1435801-full.jpg)
(http://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2008/09/15/bikepics-1418677-full.jpg)
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its only vacume formed stuff which is cheaper and easier than injection moulding. if it was $5000 a mould we would be paying more for the pieces. the cheap prices tell the story. or they are selling at a loss (unlikley for a big company). thats just what i think. i know how much it cost to set up injection moulding to reproduce the PE headlight shells, and it wasnt cheap and the shells them selves are quite expensive and are still being sold for little or no profit because the guy is a good bloke and is making money on other stuff.
i just hope others see this topic as a warning, to avoid being as disapointed as Mick
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ive a few thing from dc and some is good and some is a bit iffy .im waiting on some side cover for the franken bike maico and i asked them (dc) if there red 78/79 plastics are the same red as the 81 ,which he said it was so time will tell
the reason i say this is because i painted the frame and tank a deeper red , colour matched from old parts on the 79 frame and the earlier bikes were a bit darker red and the dc plastics for that model were a bit more on the orangey red than darker earlier red colour
makes sence to me any way
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its only vacume formed stuff which is cheaper and easier than injection moulding. if it was $5000 a mould we would be paying more for the pieces. the cheap prices tell the story.
$5000 for the mold, produce 500 sets with a material cost per set of $10 plus $10 for molding and double = $40 per set which makes them quite profitable,
IF YOU SELL ALL OF THEM which is why he charges an average of $60-$70 per set. Still cheap especially if no other viable choice is available.
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i've only ever bought one front mudguard and for a race bike, it was good enough but not for show.
a few others i've seen have had that classic "orange peel" finish to them.
however, i did see an orange XT500 fitted with DC plastics and i couldn't believe they were from the same place as they were perfect.
luck of the draw perhaps.
at least he's attempting to fill a need...
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Cyclegod ..... I not going to bad mouth the guy, It's the salt mixed up with the pepper that gives me the shits ( Rm 1980 side covers arn't even close) . As stated by LWC3077 to make them fit you have to use cable ties, there is no mention of this on there site.
Quote "they are a reproduction - it is great quality and has an excellent finish " ::) ::) ::)
" our products are vacum-formed replica pieces of original equipment " ( zip ties ?????? )
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www.vmxplastics.com
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OK, so the range isn't huge ATM, but its getting there - and nobody ever complains about the quality.
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I was thinking of the right words to reply to cyclegod,,,but oldfart pretty much said it for me.
In answering Graeme M mate i only brought side covers and headlight surround which the light will not fit in, so i can not let you know about the rear guard, if you do get one please let me know as im not looking forward to cleaning up mine, i guess i might have to look at the UK for one.
Cyclegod nice clean IT in photo, mine will never look that clean,, im just trying to get mine as close to the way they were when they came out, tail light, seat cover, tool bag, front guard, tank, side covers, and colours all the same.
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Nathan, the vmxplastics stuff looks perfect alright. But when's the 250G stuff coming do you know? I need a front guard cos the one on mine has turned out to be from a D/E/F and it's been butchered to fit... Mind you I need sidecovers too and I note DC have just done a new run of 250G sidecovers that look to be a whole lot better than the old batch.
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Haven't spoken to Scott for a while, but he was sounding keen on the YZ-G/H type stuff.
I was trying to talk him into getting stuck into A~C guards, but I have a vested interest. :)
The more of the existing stock he sells, the sooner he'll start making the other stuff.
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A big THANK YOU has to go to anyone involved or considering reproducing plastics for retro dirtbikes, without you people I, and others like me, would be screwed metaphorically or financially for replacement plastics.
If your considering pre'90 bikes get your OEM and aftermarket plastics while you can as for everybody interested in earlier bikes give your support and feedback, be it positive or negative, to those who can supply and fulfill our immediate needs for new bodywork so that it can all be improved upon to meet our unanimous approval.
Garbage plastics are better than NO PLASTICS even if not by much.
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I recently bought a full set of opaque white side covers and mudguards from DC and I'm very pleased with them. I understand that they're not the ideal for the concourse restorers but for a racer, they're great and the price is well within most budgets. I'm a happy DC customer and I'll be getting more down the line.
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I have no problem paying for bad plastics,,,,, so long as they state there not that good everyone,,,, instead of DC plastic's site saying there close to gen stuff, which they are no were near....I would pay a good price for the plastics if very close to spec,,,,but if there not that good then at least state the fact and dont tell all there great plastic's when there not.
If your happy with the plastic's DC sell for that money, then cheers to you,,,,i for one will not buy from them again unless they sell plastics that are as good as they claim they are.
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Better than nothing I guess however that orange peel is just slack workmanship and those parts should be shredded and remolded at the factory..No real loss of materials.
Orange peel on injection molded parts is caused by the mold being too hot and the guy should and probably does realise this.If He is ignoring the quality control thinking he has a captive market thats just bad publicity. The colours cant be exactly reproduced as the bead stock originally used cant be sourced however u would think the original shapes and mountings and finish could.
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maier do front guards for 80-84 YZ 125. 250, 465, 490 in white plus other colours
DC's are doing some PE plastics. The fenders were the horrible bright safety yellow (which the yamaha guys also dont like) and they have recently done the front numberplate which i have been told (by someone who bought one) is now the correct colour yellow, so i might buy one. So it sounds like the correct older type yellow plastic is out there and they do have it but they havent done the YZ and suzuki fenders/side pannels etc in this better yellow yet
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How come some plastics guys make perfect almost too good products (like the plastics and tank I got through xyz) and others can't ::)
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I'm sure we all appreciate the big bucks pumped into setting up a repro plastic business; 5K for one mold is a huge commitment!
If his product is good I'd certainly be happy to vote with my dollars; the big "THANK YOU" cyclegod mentions.
But I'm the average customer who's just read two pages of both good and bad critiques.
Some happy and some disgusted!
I'm looking to buy plastics but given what I've just read I'll have to give DC a big swerve - coz I can't be sure what I'll get in the mail. :-\
I think pokey got it right with 'ignoring Quality control'.
Sooner or later the business will go down the gurgler if the quality is poor; sooner if the "fix it with zip ties" is the response.
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thats what im thinking. a lot of people are going to be too scared to buy their stuff. this is not the only time the topic of the DC's quality has been discussed though. i think the best thing people can do who are not happy with what they were sold is to give them some feedback. if they are a good company they will listen and take it on board and make an effort to improving things for the future and try to please more people.
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check out UFO plastics in italy. They already re make 80s plastics and are now going to do late 70s 80s yam stuff. UK importer is MD racing in yeovil uk.
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yep we already discussed this here
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?PHPSESSID=12f32d26fb53319e520c6729510ee692&topic=4555.msg47328#new
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I'm not going to come down on DC Plastics. as many times they are the
"only game in town" I have had some Montesa fenders, side covers, etc.
reproed by DC and the quality has been in general good. Your never going to
get injected quality by the process he is using, as well as the cost factor.
I have had front and rear fenders made by Maier and the setup costs was over
$1200.00 USD per fender and this is with a 100 unit minumum. They are smooth
and excellent quality, but also cost $129 USD a pair. DC will listen to your complaints
and are trying to provide good quality plastic repo's at a decent price.
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there are a few companies here I wasn't aware of. Does anybody know anyone who makes side panels for the YZ B's?
thanks
Rossco
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Ok, let me clear things up a bit.
If you are ever unhappy with our product, please let us know. If the product does not fit, please let us know. We need feedback to correct our problems. If people continue to complain on these forums and never let us know, how can we get anything fixed? Zip-ties do correct some problems, but not everything.
All of our products are vacuum-formed reproductions from original parts. The vacuum-forming process is different from the original injection molded fenders and side panels. Maier is using a high gloss product called TPO which is basically the same plastic that we use only with a thin layer of clear coat on the top. We have looked into this product, but found the price to be nearly double of what we are currently using!
I know that we are not perfect. Some of our fenders and side panels have small blemishes, etc, but we are improving our molds daily. Slowly, we are converting all of our molds to a new generation material which makes a better product with less blemishes.
We are searching for an affordable gloss plastic to use, but have come up empty so far. The product is out there, but it needs to be affordable. Not many people would pay $120 for a set of side panels.
Just to give you guys an idea, we are required to buy 5,000 lbs of every color plastic that we have available. We have gotten rid of the "neon" yellow that we used in the past and switched over to different colors for yamaha yz and suzuki plastic. One of our main problems is that when our plastic is made into sheets at the factory, the color can differ on the top of the pile and at the bottom. It is a case of the plastic company not mixing their resins good enough and the color is actually different on the top and bottom of the pile. It's very frustrating for us and our customers!
I know that we have both satisfied and unsatisfied customers, but understand that we are vintage racers also. I have about 10 bikes and use our plastic on all of them. Our products are not meant to be on restored bikes.
When we make a mold from an original part, the mold actually shrinks during production from the heating and cooling process. We do up-size molds by cutting them and filling the gaps, but we can only do so much. The mounting tabs on the side panels are not going to be exact. Sometimes, you will need to drill the hole to one side or the other.
Many of the molds for these fenders and side panels have been thrown away by the manufacturers. They aren't interested in making these vintage products unless they can produce thousands of parts. Just to give you an idea, the most we have sold of one fender is about 250 in 4 years. Can you imagine yamaha doing that? The profit is so small that they wouldn't mess with it. Injection molding is an alternative, but the volume that you have to take will be hard to pay off. There are only so many vintage yamaha's that actually still run and are being restored.
Hope this clears some things up. Please call or email with any comments or suggestions for our products. As long as the plastic hasn't been drilled, you can return it. If something doesn't fit, let us know and we'll see if we can change it for you.
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Pokey,
The orange peel effect is not due to slack workmanship. Our "factory" is a barn behind our house and we do not make the bulk plastic sheets. We buy them from a plastic manufacturer and mold our parts here. We are vacuum forming parts, not injection molding. The orange peel effect is caused by the extrusion machines at the manufacturing plant. When the plastic is extruded, sometimes the grain is effected. Each shipment that we receive has a different grain. Some good, and some bad.
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We have purchased loads of different plastics from The DC Plastics Guy for our Huskies , standard white , special blue colours , special red colours etc etc , nothing is ever a problem for them , it always turns up , sometimes you need a secret handshake to fit it , but it does fit and always looks good.
Its a fine practical effort by good people and in my opinion we are lucky to have a good honest supplier of good honest components.
One of the most notible things about the product range is that they are affordable , and as we are all aware this is particularly important if you have many machines.
Nothings perfect but everthings fantastic ;D ;D ;D
Shoey
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He supplies more than plastics, check it out...
http://stores.ebay.com.au/DC-Plastics_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZQ2d999QQftidZ2QQtZkm
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I use DC stuff, and will take chances with 2nds if they're available because I'm a tight arse. Beats the heck outa grungy originals on my bikes.
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I bought a pair of Rickman hubs from DC a few years ago and now every time he comes accross another set he asks me if I need them (which is always). I repeat, his plastic is fine for a racer and cheap. I've been around this sport long enough to remember when there were'nt any aftermarket plastic suppliers at all so we should be thanking these blokes for making our bike building easier, not slagging them. I doubt he's driving a 6 series Beemer on the proceeds of selling vintage fenders!
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i've used them on my 465 and yeah they're certainly not perfect, but they dressed up my grubby old shed dweller nicely (it gets ridden). for a garage queen however, anything less than original probably won't be good enough. i would say that as a cost percentage of what it costs to get a good set of nos plastics, dc plastics are damn good value.
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Our products are not meant to be on restored bikes ... Please call or email with any comments or suggestions for our products. As long as the plastic hasn't been drilled, you can return it. If something doesn't fit, let us know and we'll see if we can change it for you.
That's very decent of you and good onya. Having read your explanation I'm more inclined to give it a go.
The two sentences above clear it up - for me at least.
And I think everyone who commented did so honestly; I don't think it was "slagging off" for slagging off sakes.
For me your piece puts it into perspective; you race vintage bikes so you understand; and here's an opportunity to supply our sport with items we wouldn't otherwise source. At least not for a reasonable cost.
Communication. Ya gotta love it!
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I see there is a market for DC’s stuff. I would say for the budget conscious or racer. I think the key statement is that DC plastics are 'not ment for or aimed at hi quality restorations or intended to be a OEM copy'. And also i would like to point out that just because someone does a hi quality restoration it does not mean that the bike will not be raced or is only going to be a 'garage queen'
The only part I disagree with is that people will pay $120 for a pair of side covers if they are good quality. If reproduction stuff is damn well close to perfect or OEM/NOS quality then they will pay big dollars because it is what you need to pay to get high quality. There is a low end budget market who want cheap stuff and don’t mind lesser quality but there is also a market where people will pay high dollars for good quality stuff and they do apprieciate the time/dollars/effort etc that can go into making something high quality and close to perfect.
But I think you can not expect to get the best quality parts for a low price.
if all this is clear to people before they buy and they know what to expect then i think there will be less issues and complaints with DC's in the future..
i think a lot of buyers were led to believe that DC's stuff were hi quality NOS OEM equivalents and thats why they have been disapointed
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Yep, what he said!
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GIDAY
Nathan is right vmx plastics do top stuff ;D
Buy Australian & save :o ;) ;)
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do VMX plastics do only yamaha stuff?
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Dc Plastic Guy Quote " The mounting tabs on the side panels are not going to be exact .
Sometimes, you will need to drill the hole one side or the other "
What mounting tabs ..... they are missing all together . And when I sent you a message , the answer was use zip ties ( suzuki RM 250 -400 1979 -1980 )
The point I am making , if the mounting tabs are not moulded with the cover .....tell us
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Thats right oldfart and then there is the headlight surround i got, you can not fit a light to it, i never read anywhere that said you can not fit your light to this surround and there is tabs and holes missing and no matter what you do you will not be able to make the light fit unless you totaly butcher the surround.
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IMO I have had good luck with DC plastic, I reskinned a 77 TT500 about a year back and I was quite impressed with the quality, all the plastic, decals, seat cover, and cables came from DC plastic.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh20/cblyx6/DSCI0043.jpg)
So if your doing a TT500 or XT500, you shouldnt have to worry!!!!!!!!! Hope this helps
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These are pictures of VMX PLastics from Australia that I have here in NZ. They are for Yamaha YZ125/250/400 1977-78-79 model bikes and the IT125/250/400 of the same years.
I can't tell the colour's apart from the genuine orginal items and the shape is exactly the same as genuine, so if you like what you see in the pictures I know you will be more than happy when you have them in your hands.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/djracingyz/VMXPlastics008.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/djracingyz/VMXPlastics007.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/djracingyz/VMXPlastics006.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/djracingyz/VMXPlastics005.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/djracingyz/VMXPlastics004.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/djracingyz/VMXPlastics003.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/djracingyz/VMXPlastics002.jpg)
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/djracingyz/VMXPlastics001.jpg)
The smaller rear guard is for the 125cc bike and he is looking at doing other Yamaha models.
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they look nice in photo.
are they vacume or injected?
are they at the lower or upper end of the price scale?
thants interesting that you (cblyx6 ) like the DC's TT plastics. Some 500 yam owners at the Musters have told me they really dont like the DC plastics. And they are not into or aiming for perfect restorations either.
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http://stores.ebay.com.au/Concourse-Parts
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http://stores.ebay.com.au/Concourse-Parts
Nice stuff isn't it. I hope he gets around to doing early MX stuff shortly 8).
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IMO I have had good luck with DC plastic, I reskinned a 77 TT500 about a year back and I was quite impressed with the quality, all the plastic, decals, seat cover, and cables came from DC plastic.
(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh20/cblyx6/DSCI0043.jpg)
So if your doing a TT500 or XT500, you shouldnt have to worry!!!!!!!!! Hope this helps
Same for me, I have 2 DC rear guards for the mx250, one looks like recycled tupperware and the other is spot on, I think they are getting better not worse. Finally the tupperware I rubbed backed and painted silver and is just fine.
My RM 500 plastics from Vintage Suzuki sucked, they were miles out.
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Mick has asked me to put photos up on here of the original headlight shell compared to the DC one. i will leave it to him to point out whats wrong etc. By the way Mick, your original one doesnt look too bad. is it broken in anyway? if not it certainly looks like a good candidate for the plastic restoration process. To me it looks very good and i reckon I could sand/polish it up to almost new.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-6/1192012/1.JPG)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-6/1192012/2.JPG)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-6/1192012/PICT0429.JPG)
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-6/1192012/3.JPG)
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Thanks for your help LWC,for those that contacted me wanting to see some proof of my claims,,, all can now see my problem and that is how do i fit a light to one of these DC plastics when there is one very big size difference and holes and moulds for side and top clip missing, if you know how then please let me know ;).
I was talking to the Aussie importer of DC Plastics the other day on the phone and he is more than happy to take the plastics back, he also stated that he will be talking to DC's about the headlight surround, seeing that my first buy from DC's is clearly below average quality, after talking with the importer i will give them one more go but this time i am going to get the front and back guards, it seems they do guards better than headlight surrounds and side covers, i will have a go at fixing my other plastic's up.
Update 16th Dec after seeing the guards i have decided that all DC's Plastic's are total shit products and i have sent them all back, i reckon i could melt icecream lids this good, now back to repairing my old plastic's.
Mick.
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they look nice in photo.
are they vacume or injected?
are they at the lower or upper end of the price scale?
Injection molded.
Middle of the price scale, and worth every penny.
I too am waiting for the early guards. The instant he makes them available, I'll be broke, 'cause I need some stupid number of both F & R... :-\ ... :D
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I too am waiting for the early guards. The instant he makes them available, I'll be broke, 'cause I need some stupid number of both F & R... :-\ ... :D
Nathan, do you know if Scott is intending to make the early Yammy guards??
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Haven't spoken to him for a couple of months, but the last I heard was a definite "Yes, eventually".
The time-frame was dependent on all of the usual things (ie cash flow and available time).
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I started using DC many years ago. The first item I ever had was a new front mudguard for my 78 Husky. This was perfect in every way. In fact it could almost be a genuine one.
Most of the other parts I have had since have been great.
When I got around to doing the KLX250 I needed all new plastics. Since mine are the same as a KDX175 I ordered front and rear guards and a headlight shell. The guards are perfect, but the headlamp shell suffers from the same problem as the IT one mentioned earlier. I could have bodged it but felt that it deserved better. Luckily I came across a nos item here in the UK.
I can understand the tooling costs for small production runs and the trade-off needed to produce them as a vac formed part. It would not be possible to make the lugs in a vac formed headlamp shell such as the KLX/KDX. I will save my DC one for competition use.
The KLX250 side panels have been a pain to find new, so I sent a pair to Tom at DC for them to copy.
These turned up with me a couple of months ago. The fit is not too bad, but some work is required with a hot air gun to get them to fit snugly. The slots are not cut in the sides, so again some very careful work with the dremel is required. I am just grateful that someone has produced usable plastics at a reasonable price. I ride all my bikes in anger so I am not looking for a concourse reproduction. If I was, I would scour the planet for nos parts and pay the premium.
The service I have had from them has always been excellent.
If VMXPlastics start expanding their range then judging by the photo's I would be beating a path to their door.
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Im indifferent about DC plastics , i beleive you get what you pay for and as has been said the guy does cover a huge range many of whitch are unavailable else where.
With head light shells witch are obviously way different, could it be that the US models hes probably using for patterns had different spec headlamps to those exported to Europe and Australasia ???
Just a thought does anyone know ?
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Thanks for the measurements on the IT headlight holder. I'll print them off tomorrow and see if we can update the mold or alter the cut out pattern.
To respond to oldfart,
I was talking about the mounting indentations or eyelets that are in the side panels. When you drill the holes to mount the side panels, sometimes you can't drill the hole exactly in the middle of the eyelet. The concourse parts injection fenders look great. The quality and fit should be 2nd to none.
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I am one of those people who wouldn't mind paying for "good" stuff - maybe I am a tightarse but if I remember rightly my last lot of DC stuff cost me nearly $100 a piece delivered to the door - what are we saying is a fair price to pay?
I am glad we can get anything of course - glad Suzuki still carry a heap of early model stuff as stock - but getting pieces of anything is gettting more and more expensive - heaven help the guys trying to make it?
cheers
Rossco
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I have bought both dc stuff and plastics from vintage iron(not sure who makes it), prices for both are comparable, but the quality is not.
I have bought dc stuff on three occasions and been dissapionted all three times and won't buy again, sight unseen (mail order)
The vintage iron stuff on the other hand was top shelf repo plastic.
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Thanks for the measurements on the IT headlight holder. I'll print them off tomorrow and see if we can update the mold or alter the cut out pattern.
To respond to oldfart,
I was talking about the mounting indentations or eyelets that are in the side panels. When you drill the holes to mount the side panels, sometimes you can't drill the hole exactly in the middle of the eyelet. The concourse parts injection fenders look great. The quality and fit should be 2nd to none.
DCPlasics guy, thanks for your responses, it cant be easy walking into the wolfs den and having to explain yourself. I think that (coming on this forum) is highly commendable and I would like to thank you for taking on board any complaints and all with a positive attitude. I know some of us can be very hard on reproduction plastics and at times it is unjust of us when you are only trying to provide a product for all of us to keep our bikes useable.
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evo are the maico plastics the same colour from both places !!!!! because im not forken HAPPY WITH THE DC COLOUR it nearly pink
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Paul,
Not sure about the maico stuff from vintage iron, it was yamaha gear, in both yellow and white, but both times it was good so I have no reason to expect any different for maico stuff.
Looks pretty good on the web site. Under body perts.
www.vintageiron.com
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I think Vintage Iron sell Maiers (sp?). For Yamaha plastics I think I can quote a forum member as saying that Maiers are "Shiny but shite". Come on Mr VMXPlastics start pumping out those G/H plastics mate ;). I have NOS front and rear fender on the 250. I bought a DC plastics front number plate and the colour is way off. I know ::) - its not supposed to be for restos, but it was $39 US plus postage (which is about $1000 Australian at the moment). Full respect to DCplastics guy as he makes stuff other people don't and I understand the manufacturing problems. I know VMX plastics are heading down this track, so I won't bother but surely if you made good quality plastics for G/H Yamahas you could make money. Nobody makes a decent RHS side cover. I agree with Leith that people will pay good money for good stuff. My 2 cents worth. Probably only worth 1 cent, but there you go.
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Check out the YZ250G RHS cover from DC - he claims these are improved and pre-drilled. Hmmm... might be the way to go for my 250G?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-1980-1981-YAMAHA-YZ250-YZ465-YZ-250-465-SIDE-PANELS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ35584QQihZ005QQitemZ150138045692
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The best I have seen is XYZ and even they don't have the vent into the airbox right.
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i bought what i was told was a reproduction M'robert front fender from vintage iron but when i got it it looked to be NOS m'robert and not a repro. i also read some where that vintage iron has got all the old preston petty moulds?? im not sure if thats right because as far as i know strickly hodaka are the only authorized remaker of preston petty parts and they have preston pettys permission and are selling them as genuine preston petty products and not reproductions or copies
http://www.strictlyhodaka.com/prestonpetty.html - by the looks of it they have had to stop production to re asses things. they were even making the headlight shells and red tail light lenses
http://strictlyhodaka.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=SH&Category_Code=Preston
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Our G/H 250/465 side panels should work fine. I had a 1981 YZ 465 and fitted all of our plastic on the bike. Never broke a piece in two seasons of 10 races or more.
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Hey Guys,
If you have bought from us before, please fill out our survey at http://stores.ebay.com/dcplastics.
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hey 250 h , the g modle had no vent for the intake only the h modle had it , and your right XYZ stuff looks the goods ,even down to the protector grometts. cheers BONEHEAD ;D
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yep bought a tank guards and covers from xyz and they are first class
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VMX PLastics from Australia
Got my plastics from the above supplier today. We purchased a yellow front fender and yellow rear fender
No difference between NOS and the products supplied.
This product is a perfect reproduction.
Great job and its a credit to the maker for turning out such great product. Best of all , its Aussie made.
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sounds like they are good plastics Husky61
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Pleased to read that you have amend fitment of Rm 250 -400 side covers and that they are NOT moulded with frame rail tabs, BUT they are still a BAD FIT and there is room for improvement .
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i cant seem to find the survey ???
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i would say better than good , the appropriate word would be fantastic.
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whats VMX plastics website? is this the same place as mainly maico?
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http://www.concourseparts.com.au/
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oh yes that place. they only do yamha plastics and not other brands though
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Just an update regarding my recent DC plastics purchases. I bought a set of sidecovers and an airbox cover via ebay. When they turned up the larger sidecover just would not fit, the mounting recesses were off by enough that you couldn't physically get a bolt head inside them.
The airbox cover looked like someone had "tidied" it up with an angle grinder.
I sent an email telling them I wasn't happy and the parts were unusable, and after a bit of back and forth via email, they re-did the mould for the sidecover and sent me a new one plus a new airbox cover. All within a week and a half.
As others have stated the parts are not like NOS, and wouldn't suit a concourse resto, but now they all fit anyway.
I suppose my main point is that the service offered could not have been better.
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my last set of YZ C plastics were mint, color was off but a can of Holts fixed that and they warn you at the time of purchase. Hell of a lot better than the ratted plastics that were on it.
I have been pretty pleased, got some plastics from Vintage Suzuki one time and they were appalling.
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I recently got some opaque side covers for a yz250 79 from mainly maico (I think they do DC), I agree that its not like the original items, but for approx $120 for the three pieces its great value and the service was first class...
Brett
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Ive got dc plastics on my yz490 im happy with the fittment just wish they had a nice gloss on them like oem ones i also got vintage suzuki plastics on a pe 250 they are rm ones and im more than happy with them good fit and shiny has anyone tried maier plastics on there bikes as i was thinking of trying some on my yz cheers jason
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DONT BOTHER WITH MAHER PLASTICS. cheers bonehead
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whats wrong with the maier plastics they seem to look ok in the pics ive seen, is there anyone doing decent plastics for a 82 yz490 im after front and rear gaurds and side panels
cheers jason
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surprised, any way lets not start a debate about friggin plastics, can someone give vmx plastics a hurry up! for the g/h stuff. ::)
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http://www.plasticwerks.com/page/page/709096.htm
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nice but no plastics to see for yz 250 g /h, cheers.bonehead.
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Bonehead,
Have you tried Vintage Iron?
I got some yz "j" plastics a few years ago from them and it was first class, needed drilling but fit, colour and finish was almost n.o.s.
Not sure but I think they do a complete kit including tank for g/h model
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shall have a look cheers. ;D bonehead.
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bonehead
all i want to know is why you think maiers are no good thats all im not into debating
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fitment and mould out of shape , not unless they have lifted there game , willing to look at them if this is the case. cheers bonehead. ;D
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I'm prettty sure they do a white one as well, although the front guard has more of a "J" bend to it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1980-1981-Yamaha-YZ-250-465-PACKAGE-VINTAGE-AHRMA-MX_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ35581QQihZ002QQitemZ120346940528
Have you tried n.o.s? I have managed to get some genuine stuff over the years.
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I quote a notible forum member who says Maier is shiny but shite andf I agree completely. The ones on the 465 are Maier and they are absolute rubbish
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I was told that Maier make the Vintage Suzuki and Vmx-racing Honda plastics and that stuff is pretty good quality. I've got the Suzuki plastics on one of my bikes and it's way better than DC.
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here we go again , i could go to bunnings , grab a few dunny lids and make my own , probably just as good as maier. Shit of a job takes a lot of time and can get smelly when raiding public toilets caused you f k d one up. cheers bonehead (tounge and cheek) .
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thanks for that info got onto plasticwerks and they said that the plastics for my model bike are next on there list just dont know how long that will be :-\ just want some nice plastics to finish of the bike like many others on this forum wanting the same thing its very frustrating :P
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Bonehead if the maier stuff was shit i wouldn't have put it on my bike, their new shiny plastic is much better than the old stuff. Les at vmx plastics informed me that most of the plastics he brings in are made by maier.
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ive seen the suzy plastics and thay were far better than the yamaha plastics , i dont understand how this is possible , are they using a different dunny lid? :P cheers bonehead.
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Bonehead if the maier stuff was shit i wouldn't have put it on my bike, their new shiny plastic is much better than the old stuff. Les at vmx plastics informed me that most of the plastics he brings in are made by maier.
I agree some of the Maier stuff like the RM guards are pretty good. You always have the NOS option, you just have to be prepared to pay, last CR250RZ front guard I saw went for USD350.
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ive seen the suzy plastics and thay were far better than the yamaha plastics , i dont understand how this is possible , are they using a different dunny lid? :P cheers bonehead.
Well naturally ::) Generally all Suzuki and kawasaki aftermarket plastics are better than the others , just like the originals ;) Do Supercheap sell Ferrari parts ???
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ive seen the suzy plastics and thay were far better than the yamaha plastics , i dont understand how this is possible , are they using a different dunny lid? :P cheers bonehead.
B.S. :o . That may have been the case but you obviously haven't seen the guards that Scott is producing at Nowra - you won't fault them. If you meet the guy you meet a guy who does resto's but won't put a cad bolt where a chrome bolt should be, nor vicki verka. If NOS was a white gasket visible edge then that is what you see. His products reflect the same pride and attention to detail. Whats his trading name? VMX Parts?
Hey Scott where are those early Yammy & YZA guards? ;D
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Like these http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=212972621
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Mud-guards/auction-213434442.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Mud-guards/auction-213435169.htm
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Les at vmx plastics informed me that most of the plastics he brings in are made by maier.
i was led to believe that Vintage Plastics were the importer for DC plastics and not Maier? are they a Maier importer now as well?
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Les at vmx plastics informed me that most of the plastics he brings in are made by maier.
i was led to believe that Vintage Plastics were the importer for DC plastics and not Maier? are they a Maier importer now as well?
Yes the shiny better quality plastics he brings in are apparently made by Maier.
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what the! now im confused , just got the message when raiding the public toilet down the road but to my suprise theres no lids left , must be a lot of yammie guys looking for the same shit, what you mean he has maier stuff i thought it was all done here in our own backyard shitter, i mean backyard , give me a look at this crap , anyone got photos. heat gun dunny lids and heaps of beer should do the trick, i just want some friggin side plates . cheers BONEHEAD ;D :P
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heres some pics form maiers web site for yz490 plastics look good in a pic but are they that good in the flesh thats what i want to know. ??? rang my local yamaha dealer i can still get front and rear gaurds but side covers no longer avalible
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I reckon you should by the shiny maier plastics then report back on here and let bonehead know what they're like or this debate could go on forever. :)
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i think thats what il have to do to see if there any good and il post the verdict :-*
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FWIW
I just received a set of YZ490J DC plastics from Les at VMX. When i called him, he asked which brand I wanted and I told him i wasn't worried about price, just wanted the better plastics.
His advice was that the Maier was sort of shiny but didn't fit properly and that the DC would fit but wasn't shiny... but he recomended the DC......
A mate just recieved some 490 Maier sidecovers and I had a look at them side by side along with the original plastics & DC's, In my opinion the DC aren't great but the Maier just aren't right. You can see the DC are made from molds off the originals but it looks like Maier have made there own molds from scratch because they are not the right shape or profile and small things like the recess for th 490 sticker on the sidecovers are missing all together.
I know there may be some variations in quality from model to model in both brands but I recently also bought a maier rear guard from the US (VMX Racing -be aware, very dodgy) for a CR250, it was so bad I tried to return it, when they wouldn't return it , it went straight in the bin
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before you go buying plastics let me see how my dunny lids turn out , damm it im out of beer and the nearest toilet block is to far,oh well dc it is.bonehead :P ;D
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I've bought a few sets of DC plastics cos it was all i could get at the time and none of them fitted any good and they are so stiff they feel like they'll break. The plastics i bought from Vintage Suzuki for my RM250B are so much better i'm pretty happy with them and was told that Maier makes them.. but who knows??
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yes i think Maier do make them for vintage suzuki
see here
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=4983.0
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Yeah i think it might be a case of picking and choosing on a model per model basis, I don't think its as easy as DC is better than Maier or vice versa, sounds like they both make good and bad. Apparently DC are updating there molds and the newer generation stuff is a lot better fit.....but still not shiny >:(
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IVE GOT DC PLASTICS ON THE 490 FRONT GAURD IS OK AS FAR AS SHAPE AND FITTING ,REAR GAURD FITS OK BUT HAS A DINT IN THE TOP OF LIKE IT HAS SHUNK WHEN IT CAME OUT THE MOULD BOUGHT ANOTHER ONE ITS THE SAME ,SIDE COVERS HAD TO SPACE THE ONE ON THE MUFFLER SIDE AND NOW IVE FOUND THE RIGHT ONE IS CRACKING AROUND THE MOUNTING HOLES, I SUPPOSE ITS THE OLD SAYING YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR BUT THEY STILL COST ME A BIT OVER 400 BUCKS LANDED IN AUS AND THE BIKE HAS ONLY BEEN RIDEN FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS ITS NOT WHAT I CALL GOOD VALUE I WOULD GLADLY PAY DOUBLE THAT FOR SOMTHING THATS LOOKS AND FITS RIGHT, ON MY PE ITS HAS RM PLASTICS FROM VINTAGE SUZUKI ALL I CAN SAY IS I WISH THEY HAD ONES FOR THE YAMIE THEY ARE EXELLENT IN FIT AND FINISH, WELL DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO NOW MITE SEE IF BUNNINGS HAS ANY YELLOW DUNNY SEATS :P
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jason , are u actually going to ride it this year ? ive been looking forward to having some company from this town !mabey i,ll even leave one of my 490,s yellow
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im going to take it to the cd6 and see how it goes just got to spend a bit more time getting it running right and try and stop it from pinging ???
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they don,t run right if they don,t ping , how long do u think u can hold it on for on a closed course !3 seconds in top gear possibly, bring it out for for a run on sunday