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Marketplace => Wanted => Topic started by: Expat on August 11, 2008, 04:49:27 pm
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I am looking for a pre'75 open class MX'r.........Prefer something competitive and well built.
Maico400/440, Bultaco Pursang 360, CZ400 :-\, Husky CR400 :), ........anything else.
Email: [email protected]
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Giday
I am looking for one too,at the right price? ???
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There's a 1973 Husky CR400 on the vmxwa website that may be of interest.
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Thanks for the lead GD66............Ummmmmmm how do I locate this VMXWA site??
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Ahh....found the link....on homepage ::)
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Good lad. Tell Jeremy I'll collect my spotter's fee at Wandering on Sunday... :D
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Why go past the Maico twofiddy right here
http://ozvmx.com/community/index.php?topic=4056.0
Unless you're an ace and fit rider the twofiddy will be just as fast if not faster over the length of a race. $2300 for a collectable near ready race bike: = good value 8).
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are you serious a maico 250 fast ::)
have you ever ridden one ;D
go the husky you cant go wrong 8)
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id go the husky too for a racer .the maico would make a good resto project for that maico nut lol but theres been a few for sale latley for less
this the bit that has me puzzled how do you work that out it is a nearly race ready bike when it hasnt even got a kick starter and it has been going for years :o i did have a 74 440 last week but it sold
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I have to agree with Buddy here Graeme. As much as I love Maicos, 250s aren't the most exciting bike in the class. As good as Maico open classers are, the 250s are as dull as dogshit. The best open class pre '75 er is the one you like best. CZs are good value, Maicos are fast but expensive to buy and maintain, Huskys are great bikes but expensive for parts, TM400 Suzukis need settling and are trendy right now for some obscure reason, Yamaha MX360s are good honest bikes, reasonably cheap to buy (if you can find one) but need serious suspension work and Bultaco 360s fly but are fragile. My pick would be Maico 440/400,Husky CR400 and Yamaha 360MX. In the end though it doesn't matter what you buy as the bike is only going to be as good as you are at riding it. Buy the bike that gives you a fatty.
Unfortunately the window of opportunity of getting USA bikes for near parity pricing has closed with the OZ dollar stepping back to 88c. I've recently seen 2 400 Huskys for $600, a 360 Pursang for $400, a TM400 for $900 and a pre 65 Triumph for 2k in the USA. When you add the $1000 to ship it here you're still in front compared to our prices.
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paul it dose have a kick starter its the monty that dosent
cheers
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ok ill re phrase the answer
the maico would make a good project for a maico nut
the husky on wa vmx would be a better racer if you are compareing only the 2 bikes
the maico is now were near race ready thats what i meant and it has a kickstarter
did you sell it yet ;)
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HOw is the 73 250cc differant from the 74 version or are they still the same bikes with a differant paint job ?
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frames a bit different and the engine the same i thinks ,larger capasity bikes are more collectable and harder to find for sale you get good money for 400/440
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has it got the wrong tank or somthing cause it looks odd ?
Are they the same when they go to the 74.5 ? is that the same model as well, so there is no real differant with a pre 75 maico 250cc ? surely that would mean also the parts are easy to get and they seem to have alot of parts online too :-\
Last Maico i had was MAicoletta and when i restored it you could still get bits out of Germany for it and it was 1953 ? for its time it was quite techical, looks like a very similar bottom end, but the letta had an osilatting electric start you pushed the button ( very high tech for then) and it would rock the motor till it fired, that was a masive bike for a scooter too bigger than my Xvs 1100 id say, still like to get my hands on the Maico mobil, now there is as peice of art.
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FREAKY WHEN I WAS A KID WE BUILT A MINI BIKE OUTA A MOTOR SCOOTER THAT HAD A MAICO 250 ENGINE IT WAS A ODD THING BUT THAT MINI BIKE USE TO DO ABOUT 100 MPH SPEED WOBBLES AND ALL. IT WAS A DANGEROUS SUCKER ;D
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Ahhhh so your also the guy that cut up that maico square barrel to make a trike.
Anyway back to the 250 74.5 thing are these things all the same ?
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The engine and most of the frame and running gear are the same as a '74 model. The only difference of any significance is the LTR rear end on the '74 model. They're still slow old buggers.
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and engine etc the same in this 73 ?
the pre 75 250's in tassie seemed quite fast or had they had some money spent on them
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this is a tidy bike
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Honda-CR250M-Elsinore100-Original-Unrestored-1974_W0QQitemZ110278794556QQihZ001QQcategoryZ102690QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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HAd the 125 and though it was so so. I heard the 250 where flaky on the gearboxes.
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Whoever told you Maico gearboxes were "flaky" is sadly misinformed. Maico gearboxes are practically bulletproof and can handle anything you can throw at them. The 250 trans is exactly the same as that in a 400 or 440 so if it handles that kind of horsepower, 27 hp of 250 aint going to do it any harm.
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that elsinore is not as listed 10 hours old ???????????
paint ware on
head
sidecovers
frame
may be 10 hours in the sand hills
anyway bikes from texas are ok thats were i got my 1973 cr250 from in 2004
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VINTAGE VMX bikes, all race ready, Honda 125 Elsinore $3000, Bultaco 250 Persang $4000, Bultaco 360 Persang $4500,
Husqvarna 400CR $5000. Lesmurdie W.A. 0427-449-192
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is that a wanted or a for sale ;D
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Gents,
I hesitate do disagree w Mark & others on 250 Maicos but I think yr being a bit unkind to 250 Maicos. I raced a 73 radial fin for about 2yrs in 74-5 (w LTR mods by then) & never found it slow. It sometimes gave the impression of being slow cos of the heavier flywheel effect compared to the jap 250s, & maybe was a bit slower out of corners as a result, but ridden accordingly it & other 250 maicos did very well in the class. Twas very reliable too. Only complaints I had was mediocre (well, pathetic really) front brake & it was a bit heavy for my jockey-sized frame back then.
Interestingly Motorclist Mag did a couple of 250MX comparos tests in late 73 & put them all on the dyno. The Maico had most powerful topend of all euro 250's (including CZ, pursang & VR) & was only just pipped by the elsinore among the jap bikes. Others did have better mid-range tho.
Still a decent race bike in pre75 250 class imho.
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Whoever told you Maico gearboxes were "flaky" is sadly misinformed. Maico gearboxes are practically bulletproof and can handle anything you can throw at them. The 250 trans is exactly the same as that in a 400 or 440 so if it handles that kind of horsepower, 27 hp of 250 aint going to do it any harm.
NO i was refferring to the CR honda 250;s
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John, The Maico is indeed a good bike but compared to the Bultaco, Elsinore, OSSA and Monty it loses every drag race. I've raced 4 or 5 250s over the years and enjoyed them but I was always disapointed in them when compared to the open classers. For the '99 Dirt Track Nats at Nepean we had my brand new unused 250 engine in my old square barrel 250 frame and we dynoed it for three solid days trying all sorts of pipe and carby combos. Initially using the stock from the factory tune the bike achieved the amazing figure of 17bhp. In the end, we used a Wheelsmith 400 pipe and a 38mm Bing and VP race fuel and got 27hp, the advertised factory figures for a stocker. The bike came a close second to Peter Lee from Griffith on his 40hp methanol burner thanks mainly to the beserko riding of my mate Chris Ellis wringing every ounce out of the bike.
That 17hp that we started with felt pretty good to me but the bike felt like a 400 at 27hp which makes those American dyno figures for a bog stock bike on normal fuel look dodgy.
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HAd the 125 and though it was so so. I heard the 250 where flaky on the gearboxes.
You had a CR125M and thought it was so-so? They're easily the pick of the pre-75 125s, so you're obviously not ever going to be happy with a pre-75 125....
The 250 Elsinores are weak in the gearbox, and parts are apparently a nightmare to find at sensible prices. Which is a shame, 'cause I reckon they'd otherwise be the winner on the price vs maintenance vs competitiveness scale.
It seems to me that any of the Euro pre-75 250s will do the job in the 250 class, if the rider is up to it. The YZ250A is up there too, but they seem to be dearer to buy than the Euro bike.
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HAd the 125 and though it was so so. I heard the 250 where flaky on the gearboxes.
You had a CR125M and thought it was so-so? They're easily the pick of the pre-75 125s, so you're obviously not ever going to be happy with a pre-75 125....
The 250 Elsinores are weak in the gearbox, and parts are apparently a nightmare to find at sensible prices. Which is a shame, 'cause I reckon they'd otherwise be the winner on the price vs maintenance vs competitiveness scale.
It seems to me that any of the Euro pre-75 250s will do the job in the 250 class, if the rider is up to it. The YZ250A is up there too, but they seem to be dearer to buy than the Euro bike.
Well put it this way, they where tainted to me as a teen i had a red one 77 i think ? and some rich boy up the road had a new KX 125 and smoked me all the time in the paddocks and really stuck it up me ( little rich turd), then again it was the 80s and his was a current model, so it just seemed wafty. i sold a silver green one only about a year back to some guy in Queensland that was resto for the same reason it just seem to rev and make lots of noise and didnt pull, only bike i have owned that has pulled my arms out my sockets is my mx 360 and my Dirt track YZa 2fity. maybe im just used to power that feeds on without all the revs and back then they were as they came im sure tuned and stuff you might have better memories.
Although having said that i had a favourite bike that was a 125, used to MX it and enduro it also, think it was a GS ? some mid early 80s KTM 125, that thing was so easy to ride, loved it more and road it faster than the new 96 YZ 250 i sold it to buy, i got sick of shoving resin in the Water pump to stop it leaking, for some reason the alloy cover just kept corroding away and leak inside and out, meh... still was a great bike so easy to ride, not like my new KTM, bloody thing has a crazy head on it, it likes to wooble out at stray out at all sorts of strange times, usually at high speed on small bumps.
This was the little 125 at Gilman back in the day when flouro colour was coming in and they hadnt built that stupid speedway track there yet and wrecked it for everyone.