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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: Momus on April 18, 2016, 03:44:59 pm
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The extraordinary meeting of the Classic Scramble Club Inc called last month, was held last night, and for procedural reasons was followed by a general meeting. The open positions of President, Vice President and Assistant Secretary have been filled by John Kempers, Mat Pagdin and Bernard Andrivon respectively. There was also a motion passed asking for the Secretary, Ross Martin, who was not present, to show cause why he should not stand down.
Members have had their say and we now have a functional leadership group and assurance that this years scheduled race meetings will go ahead. The Moyston round has been brought forward a week and will now run on June 5th. This will give the members heading to Harrisville QLD for the Australian Classic Nationals on the 18th and 19th more preparation time.
Marcus Smith
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Congratulations to all new office bearers and those that attended for getting this far hope all goes well. It hopefully will get some old riders back if ran correctly cheers
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For the last 2 years the committee had no riders on it, now there are several. The new enthusiasm for the club's core purpose will be reflected in many improvements.
The Club's key resource, the track at Lismore should see more activity with plans for 2 race meeting annually with one run in the reverse direction.
In the immediate future the track will be ripped.
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That is really good news, time to think about joining the club again to show support (even though it's a bit hard to get to all the races from the other side of the State).
And anybody else out there who was a member in the past - time to join up again and get to a few races and if you can't chuck a leg over the old bike join up anyway as a solid show of support and encouragement.
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The "meeting" held last weekend was not an official meeting of the Classic Scramble Club, as it was not called in the manner listed in the club constitution, and not all members were informed.
Any decisions made at this gathering do not apply to the club, and will not be acted on.
The Committee are interested in running quality events for the members, and are happy to take suggestions from these members.
The club calendar was set at the start of the year, and the committee is running to this calendar.
The actions of some members and non members are making these actions most difficult, but not impossible.
I hope to see a full turn out of members at the Port Campbell round.
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This "Constitution" sounds way too complicated, was it written by a retired QC or something? Jokes aside I'm not a CSC member but I've heard on the grapevine about the troubles that the rank & file members are having getting a functional committee in charge. The response from Jasper reads like he's using (or abusing?) loopholes in the constitution to maintain a grip on power. It's just a vintage motorcycle club, not a political party. Good luck to the CSC members in trying to sweep this type of bad attitude out of the CSC committee cos I think that's what it's gonna take to get your club back.
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The response from Jasper, who I believe is Ross Martin, the Club's secretary, typifies his administration.
The CSC Inc. has a booklet of Rules and Regulations, which is not formally a constitution, that are the sensible thoughts of a group of practical blokes who like old bikes, and running scrambles for them on natural terrain tracks. This booklet is backed by Consumer Affairs Victoria and the Model Rules for an Incorporated Association.
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The Classic Scramble Club is an incorporated body, and uses a formal generic based constitution that is set down and approved by Consumer Affairs Victoria.
Some club members may think that this does not apply to them, but this is not true.
As an Incorporated Body we must comply with Government regulations.
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In the immediate future the track will be ripped
That sounds like it is going to be a good thing? Ripping is great for modern MX, but I'd have thought grasstrack is far better for VMX racing, bikes and riders?
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The track at Lismore is a made track that follows the natural undulations except for a couple of sections where it has been raised slightly to make it more all weather. It doesn't need much but a bit of smoothing and softening of the surface in some of the flat turns is appreciated. There are a few of us there with rider and bike combined ages around 100 there. The natural terrain track at Gellibrand was smoothed last year after many years of use and continues to be a safe satisfying rideb.
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If a incorporated society then rules / constitution has to be adhered to or changed at a proper AGM in a way stated in the constitution.
For those who wish to "hi jack" a club why do they not start there own club? or is that to hard?
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Ah, The lovely aroma of club politics going toxic.
Despite virtually zero knowledge of the CSC and it's workings, I reckon I can predict what happens next with quite a degree of accuracy...
Good luck everyone, it's going to be an ugly ride.
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I hope for the clubs sake that the new blood gets it's way Marcus. The last AGM I attended was a joke with amendments being made to the constitution when no one knew what the constitution was or even where it was......a bit like police loosing evidence that could exonerate the accused!
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That sort of thing is one of the many administrative headaches the new committee will face. The Club is operating legally using the 2003 rules. The later rule amendments where never submitted to CAV as the law requires.
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the constitution when no one knew what the constitution was or even where it was
If a paid up member you are entitled to copy, if club is INC look on line at Govt dept and read constitution
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not taking sides - but if you have a look on the classic scramble club website you can download the Constitution and the rules
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the constitution when no one knew what the constitution was or even where it was
If a paid up member you are entitled to copy, if club is INC look on line at Govt dept and read constitution
Myself and the other members received a printed A5 booklet 'Classic Scramble Club Rules & Regulations' in the post last September. This is the version of the Club's constitution currently on file with Consumer Affairs Victoria.
Immediate past president and life member Stuart Young, not the current secretary, was responsible for sending them out. As mentioned by Gippslander, the R&R's are also available on the Club's website.
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Stuart Young was at the same meeting I last attended and he was the first to oppose any constitutional rule changes based on the fact that none of the members knew what the constitution was at that time. I voted with Stuart and was labelled an argumentative prick by a couple of committee members.
The constitution of the CSC may be available for all to see now but for a while there it was like the holy grail only available to the knights of the round table. Rod Mac wouldn't bring his copy from home as he didn't want to lose it! No one told us members that we could view the document on line.
It's a great thing that the members are now being provided with facts about the inner workings of the club and the new committee should be commended for their work on clearing the air.
Who knows, it may be just whats needed to entice lost members back to the club........
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The CSC is obviously going through some internal issues at present. This really is the concern of its members only. Does anyone really think that playing this out on a public forum is productive for anyone. I am really sorry that a long standing and great club is having issues and I am sure some people enjoy seeing this played out in public but for the good of an important club why not apply to the appropriate department for a copy of the registered constitution and follow it to the letter. The constitution and the clubs by-laws should not be confused. I know nothing about the club but playing this out here can only do long term damage to the club.
This is posted in good faith to hopefully defuse a deteriorating situation. The constitution should give clear guidelines to navigate through this.
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I think it is good for it to be played-out here, there are many ex members and never have been members that would like to know the story; would never know about it if not told here?
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Spot on John
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At the last CSC meeting the committee postiion of Publicity Officer was created and I was elected to fill it.
Part of the job description is to provide accurate information about the Club and to reassure everyone that riding members with a direct interest in the Club's core purpose are running it. Shedding light on a situation where there has been a precipitous decline in Club membership, competitor numbers, finances and administrative due process is part of rebuilding.
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The CSC is obviously going through some internal issues at present. This really is the concern of its members only. Does anyone really think that playing this out on a public forum is productive for anyone. I am really sorry that a long standing and great club is having issues and I am sure some people enjoy seeing this played out in public but for the good of an important club why not apply to the appropriate department for a copy of the registered constitution and follow it to the letter. The constitution and the clubs by-laws should not be confused. I know nothing about the club but playing this out here can only do long term damage to the club.
This is posted in good faith to hopefully defuse a deteriorating situation. The constitution should give clear guidelines to navigate through this.
In principle, I agree.
But I'm pretty certain that this all needs to happen publicly. The problems usually grow when they are hidden behind administrivia - exposing them to sunlight kills them off.
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The CSC is obviously going through some internal issues at present. This really is the concern of its members only. Does anyone really think that playing this out on a public forum is productive for anyone. I am really sorry that a long standing and great club is having issues and I am sure some people enjoy seeing this played out in public but for the good of an important club why not apply to the appropriate department for a copy of the registered constitution and follow it to the letter. The constitution and the clubs by-laws should not be confused. I know nothing about the club but playing this out here can only do long term damage to the club.
This is posted in good faith to hopefully defuse a deteriorating situation. The constitution should give clear guidelines to navigate through this.
I agree. The activities of the club should only be the concern of club members and it isn't really necessary to have club business discussed in a forum. If someone is really interested then attend a meeting. But I do understand that there are delights in watching soap operas! :)
I think it is good for it to be played-out here, there are many ex members and never have been members that would like to know the story; would never know about it if not told here?
Not sure the speculations would be a good thing John. We've all seen what happens when too many 'interested' parties have input e.g, rules discussions, how to run race meetings etc. I'm sure that the final story will be revealed in the fullness of time.
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Mmmm maybe Paul, I've been thinking about sourcing a Pre 75 bike so that I could ride some CSC events; I hear some crap though the grapevine that makes me hesitate to be involved. Getting the full story aired by both parties helps me understand what is happening.
After all the thread is listed under a CSC title for all those that would like to know more about it? Personally I am not driving 3 hours to a meeting to maybe only get one side of the story; I hope to hear both sides here at least.
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Fair enough John. The main point at the moment is that you don't need to be a member of CSC to own a pre75 bike or to race it and that CSC is still running great events in spite of any club politics. If this changes that's a different story!
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I think it is good for it to be played-out here, there are many ex members and never have been members that would like to know the story; would never know about it if not told here?
That is my point it is not their business. This should be dealt with by current members as the constitution stipulates. Not my concern but needs to be done in a manner that allows members to resolve it, not ex-members or bystanders to muddy the water
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The club is open for members of the public to join, if there is no law or club regulation that prohibits the airing of club business then I'd like to know what's going on in the club before I go to the expense to join the club.
If members do not have anything to hide; let it all air; after all we are all mature vmx'ers ;-)
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That is my point it is not their business. This should be dealt with by current members as the constitution stipulates. Not my concern but needs to be done in a manner that allows members to resolve it, not ex-members or bystanders to muddy the water
Except that these problems live in the shadows, as we've seen elsewhere.
While there's a fine line between an open discussion and a kangaroo court, open forums like these are pretty much the only practical way to get an open dialogue happening, particularly if one party has more control over the information available to interested parties (and I don't mean internet gawkers).
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The CSC secretatary [snip. Admin] severely limits the flow of information to club members and often in flagrant breach of his legal requirements under the Association Incorporation Reform Act 2012.
Try viewing the Register of members.
Part 3 TABLE OF PROVISIONS
18 Register of members
Section (2) Any member may, at a reasonable time and free of charge, inspect the register of members.
Applicants receive a point blank, no reason given refusal when this basic right is requested.
This is one of the reasons he is being asked to show cause by the new Committee.
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OMG, it's just some old guys riding old bikes FFS. Why bother with this when you can ride with the other pre'75 club in Vic and have no stress?
K
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Walter as others have said and as a member I will say the club have had a lack of attendance at race meetings for a few years with using another insurance company (winton based ) members weren't happy along with a lot of other financials over quite a number of years I am not getting into other msgs that where supposedly sent .The facts have been there for some time. Bums on seats is a sign of a happy organised club and no bums on seats is unhappy members some meetings as little as 20 riders for classes from pre65 thru to pre75 and age and 2t and 4t classes so the current elected people will sort it for sure along with controlling body just my 50 cents worth will leave it at that????
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Time for Graeme to intervene.
Personal attacks are not productive.
I don't know if the Classic Scramble Club is affiliated with MA again, but I know MA have a "Electronic Communications and Social Media Policy".
Personal attacks on forums and by phone come under that.
Kevin Mortimer
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Yes would agree time to shut it down i won't reply to that Walter ???????????? facts r there I think the intent on the thread was to inform other vmxers what was happening in CSC that has been done cheers
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This thread is now closed.