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Marque Remarks => Yamaha => Topic started by: pecrazy on December 19, 2015, 07:56:48 pm
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Saw this at a swap meet and have been in contact with the guy several times, eventually bought it. Asked a heap of questions and had heard it run but told him I would like to go over it, anyway, 325klm and I was on his doorstep, he was at work and had to come home to meet me. Big hurry, no fuel in bike, looked a bit rough but I had talked to this older guy for hours on the phone, usual come this far might as well go home with something. You guessed it, got it home rattles like a bastard, plus the usual stripped bastardised bits, feel a bit silly as I should have known better. Wonder if it is worth the 650klm to drive it through his door.(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah196/plymoth1/IMG_1952_zpspnhvqgn5.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/plymoth1/media/IMG_1952_zpspnhvqgn5.jpg.html)
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He also told me a couple times he had the original speedo which I factered into the cost of the bike, but looks like it's off an TT250.
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Hi pecrazy. I reckon you'll be IT crazy soon! I had an IT200 's' (second last one with front disc) about 20 years ago and i loved it. Reliable, fun, with so many enduro touches (rear wheel removal, air filter access etc). Not especially fast but light and go anywhere. Tons better than the it465 i had some years before. A bit of care and attention and youll have a great enduro fun machine! 8)
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Bit disappointed in it at the moment, paid for a rebuilt bike in rideable condition. We used to say, 2 things you never buy, Yamaha's and castrol oil.
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How much was it?
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I thought I was the only one who never bought yamahas???
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I thought I was the only one who never bought yamahas???
Nah, l don't buy 'em either ;D
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Paid $1500 for it Ted, was given the story of how good a bike it was and how much he had put into it, mate of mine that is into IT'S said a genuine speedo was worth $200 on it's own, but a TT speedo is worth nothing.
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You paid $1500 and expected a $3500 bike?
Why care about the speedo? Are you planning to ride the bike or break it for spares?
They are easy to work on and great fun. Sort it out, ride it and enjoy it.
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Don't expect a show quality bike but expect it to be what I was told it was, $1500 is a bit considering it's condition, I consider my PE175 to be worth $1500 and it is 20 times better condition. I can't even ride this bike untill it is restored, looks ok in the picture but is not rideable. Maybe this is why I don't get top dollar for the bikes I sell, I don't lie. I factered the cost of a speedo into the price, knowing that it would add value to the bike, or I could sell it.
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The Big give away was when he did not start it up for you if they say its running good
that's the first thing they want to show you is how well it runs.
And i suppose he wanted Cash...
Looking at it i would say spend a Grand on it and you should have a good Bike.
The Stig
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$1500 seems like a pretty good buy from what I can see. I know he told you it's ready to run so that would be a let down to fire it up and hear the rattles. Ring him back and ask for some money back or you will name and shame him.....Ya never know, you might get some dosh back.
The good news is, Yamaha engine parts are fairly easy to get and the rest of the bike looks complete with all the hard to get bits on it, including a schmick pipe!
They are a great bike when going as a new one.
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$1500 seems like a pretty good buy from what I can see.
Yes. Reasonable value these days in that condition I reckon.
They fetch a lot more than a PE175. But they are a much better bike.
Check out the IT Forum: http://www.yamahait.com.au/forum/index.php (http://www.yamahait.com.au/forum/index.php)
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Didn't really need another project to spend money on, pulled the barrel off and the bore has a lip, piston has done a lot of work, rod clicks up and down. Really have to stop buying bikes sight unseen and believing that the &^%$ owner knows what he is talking about.
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Vey hard to drive back 325 k's with an empty trailer :(
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It runs and it is all one piece not boxes of bits. As good or better than the one I bought for about the same money.
If you spend $3000 on an IT200 these days it will still need some money spent on it. And they are getting harder to find.
The Jap two stroke bike to ride in Vinduro these days are IT200 and KDX200 and you now have one. Be happy. :) :) :)
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ring the guy up and tell him it was a present for your brother in law who is an enforcer for the xxxx(insert local muddaboik gang) and that he is not happy and may pay a call..the guy will panic everytime he hears a Harley in his street. ::)
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I don't think the 60 year old ripped me off intensionally, he just didn't know any better, but I should have. I once went riding with a friend of a friend who had an rm125, he thought it ran great. I pointed out that it stopped every time he let off the throttle and that it would not idle, he said he didn't care as he just held it flat any way.
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I had a mate with a an old yammie 100 that jumped inand out of gear as you rode along it would rev then jump as it dropped into gear again....."that's the powerband" he used to tell us...he was serious
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No go with any money back, just said he was not very mechanically minded. I will catch up with him again for sure. Expensive garden ornament untill I save up a bit more to fix it, sorry I sold (almost gave away) my Honda Dax to part fund it.
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The "IT tax" means you actually paid about market price for it...
Although I understand your disappointment. It will be a great bike once you sort it.
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No go with any money back, just said he was not very mechanically minded. I will catch up with him again for sure. Expensive garden ornament untill I save up a bit more to fix it, sorry I sold (almost gave away) my Honda Dax to part fund it.
I feel your pain PE. I bought a bike off a forum member that supposedly had a brand new bottom end. When pulled down it had rusty gearbox bearings, two different types of cheap main bearings and the wrong conrod. Every dog has his day mate.....
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Yeah looking at the picture its probably pretty close to what on IT200 is worth clunky donk, wrinkles, saggy tits n all, the bits to fix the motor up are not all that expensive for these little beauties and once done and maybe some bearings, brakes and other milk and bread consumables she should be a nice little rider friendly whippet.
You shouldn’t really feel that disappointed, its a generation thing, he no doubt keeps his nails in a screw top glass jar whos lid is screwed to the bottom of the shelf. They think everything is still new no matter how much its worn out. :o
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Got keen on this project again, sprayed the frame in 2 pac, new fork seals and polished the rock scraps out of the lowers, fitted some DC plastics.(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah196/plymoth1/IMG_2177_zpsqi4fr4bh.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/plymoth1/media/IMG_2177_zpsqi4fr4bh.jpg.html)
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good work!
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Bit more done, full rebuild on the motor, rear shock and wheels might miss out on a rebuild at this stage and be put on as is.(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah196/plymoth1/IMG_2180_zpsd0uwrnpc.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/plymoth1/media/IMG_2180_zpsd0uwrnpc.jpg.html)(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah196/plymoth1/IMG_2181_zpsbgxgjgsg.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/plymoth1/media/IMG_2181_zpsbgxgjgsg.jpg.html)
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I feel your pain PE. I bought a bike off a forum member that supposedly had a brand new bottom end. When pulled down it had rusty gearbox bearings, two different types of cheap main bearings and the wrong conrod. Every dog has his day mate.....
I have seen it SO many times. People pay good money to get stuff done. They are told whats been done by shop/dealer but then problems develop and things go wrong. They go back to where the work was done. Shop/dealer tells them to F-off. Then I get it it to fix and make right. Or buyer of bike is told by private seller 'fully rebuilt engine, like new' or some other similar comment. New owner has issues with it, once again more other peoples f-ups i have to fix because things were done done correctly or were not done at all. It really amazes me what other people out there are doing or saying they are doing but not actually doing it. I have seen some things that really shock and disgust me. Latest one was a crank out of a motor that had supposedly been 'fully rebuilt' the guy paid good money by a so called 'expert/guru' on this particular model!. 2 halves of the crank did not match and you could pull the crank shaft apart/turn each side independantely with your hands!!!!!.Another bike came in on Monday. 'Fully recently rebuilt new motor' The thing pisses out oil everywhere. I have got to pull the entire thing apart next week and do it properly. It never ends and i truely feel sorry for the guys out there getting burned..... :(
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I feel your pain PE. I bought a bike off a forum member that supposedly had a brand new bottom end. When pulled down it had rusty gearbox bearings, two different types of cheap main bearings and the wrong conrod. Every dog has his day mate.....
I have seen it SO many times. People pay good money to get stuff done. They are told whats been done by shop/dealer but then problems develop and things go wrong. They go back to where the work was done. Shop/dealer tells them to F-off. Then I get it it to fix and make right. Or buyer of bike is told by private seller 'fully rebuilt engine, like new' or some other similar comment. New owner has issues with it, once again more other peoples f-ups i have to fix because things were done done correctly or were not done at all. It really amazes me what other people out there are doing or saying they are doing but not actually doing it. I have seen some things that really shock and disgust me. Latest one was a crank out of a motor that had supposedly been 'fully rebuilt' the guy paid good money by a so called 'expert' on this particular model. 2 halfs of the crank did not match and you could pull the crank shaft apart/turn each side independantly with your hands!!!!!. Bike came in on Monday. 'Fully recently rebuilt new motor' The thing pisses out oil everywhere. I have got to pull the entire thing apart next week and do it properly. It never ends and i truely feel sorry for the guys out there getting burned..... :(
Same with a lot of stuff these days. I go to people's houses to do building work and can't believe the absolute crap that someone has previously built and then charged good money for. I honestly don't know how some people sleep at night.
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I think it should be legal to set a liars pants on fire, while they are wearing them, with an accelerant.
Poetic justice?
My line before driving to look at a used vehicle/bike:
"I'll bring cash and a machete. If it's 'as described' I'll pay cash." :o
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I honestly don't know how some people sleep at night.
Yeah thats the part that i don't understand.
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WOW really it always amazed on this site how people bitch about being RIPPED OFF, the bike didn't do this or that , then pull it down to a full resto and then say that THIS is what I should have gotten for my money, if you are going to fully understand and rebuild the bike then buy what you want, just because someone is selling a bike YOU dont have to buy it , then call the guy a prick, BUMPER
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bike described as "fully rebuilt" you would expect it NOT TO need a rebuild. guy didn't want to rebuild it, just payed for a rider. Although Caveot Emptor applies...get caught with a dog, cest la vie. ..all comes down to that all important look.
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You are right mr husky , regardless of what it is advertised as, it up to the buyer to make the decision, if you hand over the dollars you have made your choice, even if the add said no money to spend, we all do to make it what we want and how we want it to ride ,BUMPER
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BS Bumper - if somebody, particularly on this forum, said to me it had a rebuilt bottom end, or the top end had been done or the shockies rebuilt etc then that is what I would expect - all factored into the buying - no more or less. To find some bikes so far from that - as mentioned here previously - doesn't sit well.
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Its pronounced BULL SHIT , i guess it's easier to have a go at someone rather than taking a few tools to pull a flywheel cover off or a pipe to have a look and use your brain rather than the add but what would i know ,merry Christmas
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One of the reasons I only buy cheap, shit bikes. I figure I'm gonna have to do it anyway...
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One of the reasons I only buy cheap, shit bikes. I figure I'm gonna have to do it anyway...
Same
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It's called Bullsit alright.
You can't check everything out, even after traveling 100s or more km to view something.
If someone says it's fully rebuilt (crank, gearbox, shocks, whatever) and they haven't been then you have every right to be angry and disappointed.
How do you tell if a crank is freshly rebuilt, (as claimed, and charged appropriately) or near the end of its life, but still in spec?
You can look in the exhaust port and see a new piston, but you can't see if it's bored appropriately.
How do you know it's not the last oversized piston, loose in the bore, while paying for a bike that's "just been rebuilt with the first oversized piston"?
I bought a bike from a shop, Xtreme motorbikes Forestville, WA, that was "ready to race". Shipped from the other side of the country. Neither wheel could be tightened due striped threads, etc, etc.
I drove a few hrs, across the boarder to buy a modern bike that was described as "can't pick it from a new bike". It was red with rust in places, the muffler had been cut open and rewelded, etc. At least only my time and petrol were waisted on that one.
Sure the buyer must be aware, but lying is not ok.
Really the dishonesty is barely different to selling a known stolen bike.
On that note.
What can we do to reduce our chances of buying a stolen VMX bike? REVS is no use right?
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I guess I did not loose a lot of money, probably only paid slightly more than it was worth. Just makes you cranky that people can straight out lie and get away with it, but I like to think I have enough talent to rebuild it where the previous owner barely knew how to start it. Bore was that worn I had it bored .25 over and it still didn't take all the marks out, owner told me when I called him that all Yamaha's rattle, and he had done the top end. On the other hand, I have met some bike owners that just do not know any better, twist the throttle and it makes a braaap sound, she must be going good.
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Alarm bells should have been ringing from the get go. $1,500 for a IT200 with a fully rebuilt motor. I,d be expecting 3/4K. You said that you heard it running at the swap meet but when you got it home it rattles. How long after the swap meet did you buy it? I reckon you got a bargain at $1,500 despite it needing overhauling. There's nearly $1,000 in pipe, footpegs and bar risers, stuff you don't have to buy later.. So what you have to build the motor. Do it properly and it will give you another 30 years service. These bikes are a great thing and well worth any and all money tipped into them
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Alarm bells should have been ringing from the get go. $1,500 for a IT200 with a fully rebuilt motor. I,d be expecting 3/4K. You said that you heard it running at the swap meet but when you got it home it rattles. How long after the swap meet did you buy it? I reckon you got a bargain at $1,500 despite it needing overhauling. There's nearly $1,000 in pipe, footpegs and bar risers, stuff you don't have to buy later.. So what you have to build the motor. Do it properly and it will give you another 30 years service. These bikes are a great thing and well worth any and all money tipped into them
I'll say,,,,that's a great score for a measly $1,500 Noboddy in their right mind would have expected anything more than a accordingly priced project.
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah196/plymoth1/IMG_1952_zpspnhvqgn5.jpg)
Everyone knows the seller would have been bullshitting. The worlds full of it cause it full of humans. Nothin wrong with the world, just the majority of the blight on it.
Your looking at an easy $5K bike there(surely not that you would sell it) if your actually doing the nitty gritty as good as it looks aesthetically
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah196/plymoth1/IMG_2180_zpsd0uwrnpc.jpg)
(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah196/plymoth1/IMG_2181_zpsbgxgjgsg.jpg)
If any ones unsure, try buying a new bike and watch your wallet get massaged when it comes to parts and service ::)
Anyhow your doing a great save, good luck and keep it up 8)
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I never said it had a rebuilt motor, nor did the previous owner, just top end and everything else was in good condition. I don't want to form a rift amongst forum members, $1500 was maybe now a far price, back then not so great, but like I said not over the top. Was about 8 months later but owner said he didn't ride it, bars and pegs are gone as I want it more original, I would replace the pipe if I had a better original as well. I was just saying how disappointed I was and am now showing what I have done to improve the bike. All at peace with the owner, I would just like to show my progress with a few pictures on here, all work done to the best of my ability, genuine rod kit, all quality bearings, rebore, wiesco piston, trying to get all the electrics and road gear on there as well.
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I love the correct use of a verandah 8)
Obviously you rule the roost there ;D
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She's not happy about it, no room in the shed and this is a great spot, aircon flows out and I can still see/hear the tv, 3rd bike I have done there and I just ride it down the stairs when I'm finished.
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And if you drop any oil, it doesn’t stain the carpet.
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I bought a train wreck 465, thing is I knew it was a train wreck when I bought it, (maybe not as a big trainwreck but one none the less) I paid probably a little more than it was worth but that was my choice , I wanted a 465.
It is slowly coming together and will have a full rebuild on the engine. That way it is done and fingers crossed will last another 30 years.
You come across all types of people here, fortunately 99% are great fellas and the 1% that aren't , well you don't see them again.
How good would it be working on the Verandah, can only dream of things like that.
Harko
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Your verandah is plenty big enough bloke. Just move the table and chairs to under the clothes line and you'll be golden.
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I just ride it down the stairs when I'm finished.
I have to take the bike 2kms away to start it in case a microgm / cm3 of 2/ smoke gets in the house....
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She lets me get away with that but really hates it when I heat the cases in the oven to push in new bearings.
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lw, i think your cross pollinating posts here, we now have an it 200 frame with a ts 400 motor in it ::)
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Done a little more over the last couple weeks, need to get the rear shock rebuilt and order the last few items. I know they are the wrong tank decals for an 84 model but the bike came with 2 sets, might use them (only taped on for looks) and put the money into the rear shock.(http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah196/plymoth1/IMG_2192_zpsringwh3k.jpg) (http://s1380.photobucket.com/user/plymoth1/media/IMG_2192_zpsringwh3k.jpg.html)
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good move, they ride much nicer with new stickers... ::)
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The passion of old dirt bikes.
I love seeing these threads where members make a save.
Thats an impressive tank resto
Graphics well spent mate :) 8)
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I hope riding it is as much fun as sitting there looking at it.
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I hope riding it is as much fun as sitting there looking at it.
as long as he spends the money he saved from buying new stickers is spent on the shocker ;D
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I hope riding it is as much fun as sitting there looking at it.
as long as he spends the money he saved from buying new stickers is spent on the shocker ;D
Don't forget that the swingarm stickers will make the shock work better too......
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Does anyone actually read anymore? ;D
I know they are the wrong tank decals for an 84 model but the bike came with 2 sets, might use them (only taped on for looks) and put the money into the rear shock.
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Does anyone actually read anymore? ;D
I know they are the wrong tank decals for an 84 model but the bike came with 2 sets, might use them (only taped on for looks) and put the money into the rear shock.
Does anyone have a sense of humour anymore? ;D ;D ;D