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Marque Remarks => Other Makes (CanAms, Coopers, etc) => Topic started by: Tim754 on July 31, 2008, 04:26:01 pm

Title: Rotax powered
Post by: Tim754 on July 31, 2008, 04:26:01 pm
Anybody got some piccies of big bore Rotax powered bikes. Like the big Sonics or  specials/hybrids ? I seem to be a bit lonely liking the Rotax power plants looks. Cheers Tim
(Remember seeing once and never again a Rotax 500 powered dirt track slider, It went great that day till it chewed a camshaft belt!!! never seen or even heard of that happening ever again.)
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: paul on August 01, 2008, 10:59:48 am
tim here a hot rod for you can any  body explain what this is  ,the add say it a 84 model and were is it legal to race
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/KTM-ATK-ROTAX-500cc-1984-FLATTRACKER_W0QQitemZ320281189629QQihZ011QQcategoryZ102690QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Hoony on August 01, 2008, 11:03:51 am
I like them too. Tim there a racer in VIPER (Grant) that has a very nice Sonic and he rides it very well. he also has a very nice early KTM 4 stroke.


the sonic was way ahead of its time !
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: paul on August 01, 2008, 11:08:50 am
i saw them  hoony and i stopped a few time just to check them out, its alway good to see different bikes
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Tim754 on August 01, 2008, 01:22:17 pm
Saw the sonic at Ravo last Viper meeting, that is what got the brain ticking. Great bike and a pleasure to see.
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Tim754 on August 01, 2008, 08:16:43 pm
Rotax kiddies Rotax ! try not too lose this thread to the old bullshit bagging out each other please!!! if possible Ok maybe >:( ;) :)  ::)
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: paul on August 02, 2008, 09:20:56 am
this is what they guy said on ebay
The bones of the bike, Frame and motor are 1984 the rear of the frame to hold the seat and guard has been modified the swingarm is offset, the right side foot peg is set lower and further back than the left, one fork leg is shorter and stiffer than the other,as you can see it has one Olins shock on the left side this is how ATK flattrackers are set up hope this helps
Cheers John
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Husky500evo on August 02, 2008, 09:22:58 am
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-4/1252864/Picture121.jpg)
This is my Sonic . It needs a bit of a tidy up .
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: paul on August 02, 2008, 09:49:36 am
heres one on uk ebay  maico rotax

 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Maico-Rotax-500-Twinshock-Motocross_W0QQitemZ190241099973QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190241099973&_trkparms=72%3A636%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318#ebayphotohosting
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: firko on August 02, 2008, 10:22:51 pm
Dean Rowes Can Am Sonic at CD5.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/canam.jpg)
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: holeshot buddy on August 02, 2008, 10:30:38 pm
i used to own and race a atk 605 1996 model
what a machine wish i still had her :'(
they even had fuel injection availiable back then
and they were getting 100 hp out of the flatrack bikes :o
unreal engine real easy to work on 8)
should track her down and buy her back :'(
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: firko on August 02, 2008, 10:41:47 pm
1990 ATK 604
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/atk604.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ATK_604b.jpg)
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: firko on August 02, 2008, 10:52:26 pm
Street legal 604 Rotax flat tracker
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ATK11.gif)
Below: 1984 ATK 540
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ATK54084.gif)
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: paul on August 02, 2008, 10:57:36 pm
heres one from  a viper  round
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g120/ibop/IMGP1738-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: firko on August 02, 2008, 11:09:04 pm
'96 CCM 604
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/CCM604.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/CCM6041.jpg)
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Husky500evo on August 03, 2008, 08:06:30 am
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-4/1252864/MyATK001.jpg)
This is my '89 ATK605 . It needs a tidy up as well & I would like to upgrade to the later style plastics as shown on the '90 model ( although it looks like '93 model plastics on that bike ) that Firko posted . The countershaft mounted rear brake disc has been removed & replaced by a conventional rear wheel disc setup , by the previous owner .
 I was reading a Husaberg brochure recently , where it was claimed that they were the first to introduce an electric start off road / competition bike in '94 . However , they may have their facts wrong as my ATK is an '89 model with a factory fitted electric start .
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: firko on August 03, 2008, 10:53:12 am
Spot on with thr plastic transplant on the '90 ATK, Husky Evo. How's the parts situation for these big Rotax's mate? I'm toying with the idea of buying an ATK. Is it a good ride? I've ridden a 406 2 stroker and loved it except for it being a tad tall. What forks and shock has your's got?  I think the 406 I rode had Simons upside down forks, would they be standard? I've been looking for a vinduro and trailbike to replace the KTM450 and want something quirky and exotic but also want something with an electric button due to being spoiled by the KTM and having a dunger left ankle and right knee making it hard to kick the big 4 strokers. The ATK or a CCM604 fit the bill.
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Tim754 on August 03, 2008, 11:03:14 am
Excellent!!!!!!! and what is with me liking these "Modern " Bikes  I DO!!!! Cheers and thanks  please get them all back out to play. ;)
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: firko on August 03, 2008, 11:13:58 am
This is the model ATK that appeals to me, it's an '85 560 that'd fit right in to the Vinduro year cutoff. This particular bike is for sale at the moment for 3k. 2 stroke ATKs are half that which constitutes a real bargain considering how trick these babies are. You can buy a 2000 250 for $1500 and they've got Paoli forks, Brembo brakes and other good gear.(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ATK560a.jpg)

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/ATK560b.jpg)

Below: Here's an example of how cheap these ATKs are,
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-8/1062154/atk250.jpg)
1999 ATK 260LQ

New Piston (couple of hours)
great condition

Will ship  ATK in US

1,500.00

Contact
Kelly
[email protected]
Wisconsin

Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Husky500evo on August 03, 2008, 02:30:22 pm
    I have not needed to buy too many parts for my bike yet Firko, as it came with a good range of spares when I bought it & I haven't put a lot of hours on it . I did buy some gaskets & o-rings from Bert Flood a while back , but I think for cosmetic parts I might have to buy from the U.S . Mine has WP 4054 USD forks & WP rear shock & is a very plush ride , although it feels a bit heavy when compared to my Husaberg. The motor is a bit of a monster though as a previous owner had some head work done by Ron Wood & fitted a big cam . He also went overboard & fitted a 45mm Mikuni flatslide pumper carb , which I think is way too big & sacrifices bottom end power for the sake of eye watering top-end . I will be looking to tame it down in the future & fit a smaller carb . I do have an issue with the A-Trak chain tensioner  system , as it only allows 2 or 3 teeth on the front sprocket to drive the chain . Even with a new chain & the biggest front sprocket I can fit , it still seems to jump a tooth occasionally under hard acceleration on rough ground . I may have to make up a new case saver plate that fits as close as possible to the chain .
     Unfortunately if you are after an electric start model , then the '89 is the first one that this came out on (I think). I have not seen an ATK with Simons forks , so the one you rode maybe had aftermarket ones fitted . I have always liked the ATK406 because of its simplicity with the aircooled 2 stroke Rotax motor & the linkless single shock rear end . Also on this model ,I think that the airfilter is a pod style right up behind the front numberplate / headlight . There is lots of innovative technology on these bikes . 
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: evo550 on August 03, 2008, 03:55:31 pm
Firko,
Keep your cotton pickin' mits off that 604 in the U.S., I've been trying to get him down in price for the last 12 months, don't go undoing all my hard work ;) ;)
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: firko on August 03, 2008, 10:48:06 pm
No you go for it Evo, I'm still fishing around and I've spent too much money lately anyway. I'm going to watch the market for a little while and see which way the price trends go. I've always liked ATK technology and may settle for a 250 or 406 yet.
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: crash n bern on September 03, 2008, 07:57:22 am
I picked up a 97 ATK 250 of ebay Australia for $1,700. I was the only bidder.  The 96 605 are a good model if you have short legs. They have the crossover frame and a real low seat height.
Currently have 9 Rotax powered bikes living with me.
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Husky500evo on December 10, 2008, 08:16:16 am
I thought that I would post up another Rotax powered CCM , just for Tim .
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: paul on December 10, 2008, 08:49:47 am
http://www.bikepoint.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=2855958&TabID=3424
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Hoony on December 10, 2008, 03:43:18 pm
I thought that I would post up another Rotax powered CCM , just for Tim .

really like this one.
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Rosco86 on December 10, 2008, 04:58:05 pm
Husky 550evo
Is that an 95 model ccm? I can remember I think seeing a couple of these at a Cairns dealer around 97. Story going a swedish? bloke had brought in 3 and kept one for mx, converted one to road use and sold the other. Where did you acquire the poster? Very intersted in this model
Rosco
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Husky500evo on December 10, 2008, 08:30:36 pm
     I think that the one I posted is a bit earlier than '95 . From memory it is about an '89 model . The image came from the MXTRAX.UK vintage forum a fair while ago & the webmaster of that forum gets pretty cranky if anyone posts pictures of a bike that is not a pre ' 90 model (sort of a bit like a pommy Firko  :D ). I have another image that I will try & post , which I think is of a CCM works bike with a Rotax motor from around '85 or '86 that was ridden by a guy called Greg Hanson .
     I must have some sort of addiction , because I am seriously tempted to buy the '92 CCM on Bikepoint that was posted by Paul . It is only about 4 hours up the road from me & seems to be a good price . I always wanted to own a CCM & this one probably wouldn't have the reliability issues of the earlier ones . The purists would probably say its not a proper CCM without a British motor .
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Husky500evo on December 11, 2008, 12:18:09 am
http://mxtrax.co.uk/ccm/forum/viewtopic/60/277463?siteid=6&12 (http://mxtrax.co.uk/ccm/forum/viewtopic/60/277463?siteid=6&12)
Then again , I could be talking out of my arse & have those year models all wrong . I went back & found the UK thread on the Rotax powered CCMs .
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Rosco86 on December 11, 2008, 04:43:17 pm
I think I know of one of those red models that may be up for sale, but owner is umsure of model year. Do you know if they date stamped the frames. very interested but need to confirm age. Its exactly the same as in brochure, only thing missing are tank decals. Any experts that can help?
Rosco
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Husky500evo on December 12, 2008, 07:16:14 am
I don't know much about CCMs & maybe should have posted the image in the British section , where the experts would be lurking . Blokes like ( Grouty ? ) would know about these things . I was just continuing on with the Rotax powered theme .
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: paul on December 13, 2008, 08:07:02 pm
http://www.bikesales.com.au/as/search/sd.do?recIndex=1&makeID=125&page=0&y=18&selectedModelIndex=0&selectedMakeIndex=18&previousResultPerPage=20&currentPage=1&x=75
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: LWC82PE on December 13, 2008, 08:14:02 pm
i think that one is a late 80's model or early 90s' maybe. i have got some ADB mags and there is one of those rotax CCM's in there. im sure its from late 80's
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: paul on December 13, 2008, 08:35:19 pm
CCM FACTORY
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=UAXnv29lxJw
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: paul on December 13, 2008, 08:39:32 pm
http://www.joemaxwell-engineering.com/shop.html
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Husky500evo on December 14, 2008, 10:02:51 am
http://www.mxtrax.co.uk/ccm/forum/viewtopic/60/278065?siteid=6 (http://www.mxtrax.co.uk/ccm/forum/viewtopic/60/278065?siteid=6)
Here is a thread that says that the red 560 CCM in the brochure picture is an '89 model . There is some really nice older CCMs in this thread , so I will post this link in the British section as well .
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: steve234 on December 21, 2008, 08:34:10 am
Correct me if i'm wrong but isn't that CCM on bikesales run a suzuki dr650 power plant?

There always seems to be rotax powered dirt track bikes up for grabs in the US.
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: Husky500evo on December 21, 2008, 09:25:40 am
The first Bikepoint link that Paul posted, on page 2 of this thread, is for a '92 model CCM with a rotax motor .
Title: Re: Rotax powered
Post by: brebel on February 24, 2010, 06:18:51 pm
I posted this on the KTM section but it is also relevant for this thread, my 84 KTM 600GS rebuild.(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb259/brebel327/ktm511.jpg)(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb259/brebel327/ktm522.jpg)