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Clubroom => Tech Talk => Topic started by: Gippslander on October 11, 2015, 06:17:14 pm
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May have been mentioned before --
http://www.bunnings.com.au/search/products?q=coregas%20cylinders&redirectFrom=Any
$200 each deposit for the bottles, keep em till the gas is used, then go back and get full bottles and just leave the deposit with Bunnings, cost -- could say loss of bank interest on 400 = $12 per annum
Gas is $60 oxy, $99 Acet.
Standard fittings so the CIG Comet gear and gauges are ok.
Bottles are 2.1 m sq about 2 foot 6 in high and about 8 in in diam
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The deal I've been waiting for!
Thanks for the info.
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From what I can figure out ...you pay no monthly rental but they retain a deposit of $200-00 per bottle and only pay for refills
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I purchased mig and tig gas bottles from speedy gas via welding shop at Penrith. Only little bottles but you can upgrade to bigger sizes if you want to.
Best money ever spent!
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Correct Oldfart :)
and it should have been $69 for the oxy
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wonder if that deal is happening in little ol nz--doubt it though!!. Haven't used my oxy/accetylene plant for a few years due to cost of hiring bottles from BOC. Think it was about 15 a month per bottle [maybe more now] plus filling of course which was similar to oz. Must go check it out. Thanks.
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From what I can figure out ...you pay no monthly rental but they retain a deposit of $200-00 per bottle and only pay for refills
If you return the bottles you get your $400 back
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I wonder if this will prompt a retaliatory response from BOC ? I too kept Oxy and Acet at home for the odd jobs, until the prices became hard to justify.
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Looks like Coregas is their supplier.
CoreGas have been around many years, must be at least 10 years ago they changed their name from LindeGas
Had a look on the Coregas site and can't see a similar offer so it must be a Bunnings deal only.
BOC aren't the only players in the gas game, as well as Coregas there is also AirLiquide & Supergas.
Supergas being Aussie owned and easy to deal with.
Air Liquide have a dud deal where they effectively charge you double rent if you don't return the bottles at least every 3 months.
Haven't tried Coregas/Linde for over a decade now so not sure what their like at the moment
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I've been getting my argon from gasweld for a couple of years now. I had to buy the bottle but I'm already in front compared to the rape and pillaging I received from BOC. I've known about the Bunnings deal on oxy/acetylene for a while but am just waiting till my next rent is due as I still have a fair bit of gas in both. It will be great to see the end of BOC - greedy bastards. I don't do that much gas welding, mainly just pipes and the odd bit of silver soldering and heating, meaning I often go for years without refilling, so the Bunnings deal will be perfect. I will be able to spend all that rental money on more important things....
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I have this deal as well. The rental was the thing holding me back from getting a set as I only use it now and again. I noticed the last time I was in my local Total Tools that they have a similar deal but have bigger bottles available also. Argoshield for mig too.
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It's interesting that BOC is part of the Linde Group, do they own Coregas as well?
Tony.
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Where I live Coregas is the opposition to BOC
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Hmmm.... interesting Dave. Geoff mentioned previously "CoreGas have been around many years, must be at least 10 years ago they changed their name from LindeGas", this makes me wonder (conspiracy theory) if they aren't all the same company who would like us to think that there is competition?
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From the Coregas website:
Coregas History
Founded in Australia in 1976, Coregas is now part of Wesfarmers Industrial and Safety. As part of one of Australia's most respected companies - Wesfarmers Ltd - we are an Australian owned gas company, which services all industries and has a wealth of experience and knowledge spanning over 36 years in the industry.
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From the Coregas website:
Coregas History
Founded in Australia in 1976, Coregas is now part of Wesfarmers Industrial and Safety. As part of one of Australia's most respected companies - Wesfarmers Ltd - we are an Australian owned gas company, which services all industries and has a wealth of experience and knowledge spanning over 36 years in the industry.
Nice work! So they are actual competitors.
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I was using Linde from 99 to early 04 then I switched back to BOC
It was not long after I left Linde that the name change to Coregas happened, I thought it was just a name change but maybe it was a buy out.
Interesting to see that BOC is owned by the Linde group now, it's hard to keep up with the name changes and the sell offs.
Remember when BOC used to be CIG?
CIG, Commonwealth Industrial Gas
Was bought out by BOC which was a British company which is what the B stands for in BOC (I think)
You can still buy CIG welders but they have nothing to do with BOC
I would like to thank my sponsors, Google and Wikipedia :o
The Linde Group is a multinational industrial gases and engineering company founded in Germany in 1879
In September 2006 the company acquired its UK based competitor The BOC Group, and subsequently disposed of its non-gas interests.
Following the BOC acquisition, The Linde Group has become the world's largest industrial gas company.
In 2005, Linde AG and BOC together had 21% of the world's market in industrial gases followed by Air Liquide with 19%, Praxair with 13%, Air Products & Chemicals with 10%, Nippon Sanso with 4%, Airgas with 3% and Messer Group with 1%.
But back to Bunnings, It should be a good deal for the small user but basically the gas is quite dear (about 3 times what I currently pay for Oxygen) which is where they are making there money
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Wesfarmers=Bunnings.
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At gasweld (at least around Canberra) you can get a good deal on oxy too, but not acytelene (but I use LPG/ oxy so don't care) different arrangement as you buy the cylinder thus there isnt a deposit you can get back but I guess you might be able to sell your cylinder to some one else if you no longer need it. I guess it comes down to the gas price, gasweld have oxy in c, d, e, g size botts a d refill is $80, initial $$350
I think there are prices on their web site
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I was using Linde from 99 to early 04 then I switched back to BOC
It was not long after I left Linde that the name change to Coregas happened, I thought it was just a name change but maybe it was a buy out.
Interesting to see that BOC is owned by the Linde group now, it's hard to keep up with the name changes and the sell offs.
Remember when BOC used to be CIG?
CIG, Commonwealth Industrial Gas
Was bought out by BOC which was a British company which is what the B stands for in BOC (I think)
You can still buy CIG welders but they have nothing to do with BOC
Yes I remember CIG. I worked for CIG for 10 years, 1980 to 1990. CIG was part-owned by BOC from the beginning but became wholly owned by BOC Gases in the early 1990s. Back when it was mostly Australian owned, we had a factory at Preston Victoria that made the welding equipment and there was also an aluminium gas cylinder factory at Maryong in Sydney (which used very advanced technology at the time). The welding equipment manufacturing part of the business was split off and called CIGWELD. Later on CIGWELD was sold off. CIGWELD made the CIG cylinder valves until around the end of the 1980s. Steel CIG cylinders were made in many places. Many were made in factories in Australia (one was Tubemakers). Starting in about 1986 we started buying new steel cylinders from Japan. They were amazingly straight, round and all of the same length, which was not the case with other steel cylinders purchased. Back in the 1980s a G size steel cylinder cost CIG about $220 to buy and the valve cost about $30 (all in 1980s $$$) and cost about $10 per year for maintenance. Cylinder rental was by far the post profitable part of the CIG Gases operation.
BOC British Oxygen Company
CIG Commonwealth Industrial Gases
I would like to thank my sponsors, Google and Wikipedia :o
The Linde Group is a multinational industrial gases and engineering company founded in Germany in 1879
In September 2006 the company acquired its UK based competitor The BOC Group, and subsequently disposed of its non-gas interests.
Following the BOC acquisition, The Linde Group has become the world's largest industrial gas company.
In 2005, Linde AG and BOC together had 21% of the world's market in industrial gases followed by Air Liquide with 19%, Praxair with 13%, Air Products & Chemicals with 10%, Nippon Sanso with 4%, Airgas with 3% and Messer Group with 1%.
But back to Bunnings, It should be a good deal for the small user but basically the gas is quite dear (about 3 times what I currently pay for Oxygen) which is where they are making there money