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Clubroom => General Discussion => Topic started by: jimson on July 24, 2015, 01:22:38 pm
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G'day viewers I'm in shock I just got the mail from my letter box & I have a fine of $1,715.00 for not going to jury duty in March. I didn't even know I had jury duty in March bloody hell. Overdue fine pay now it says I'd rather go to gaol then hand over that kind of money for something I new nothing about. Jimson
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Is it a scam? Check the address/web address - see whether they match the place they say they're from.
Assuming you convince yourself that it isn't a scam, just write them a polite letter saying "how the hell was I supposed to know I had jury duty?".
As amazing as it might seem, they do screw up. I got a red light camera ticket for a car is wrecked two years earlier, and an uncle was hounded for months by the CSA for child support for a kid that could not possibly have been his.
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When ever I get a email that I think might not by right I highlight and copy a couple of lines off the email and paste them in Google, it comes up immediately if it is a scam and with all the relevant info.
With a fine that large I would nearly bet that this is a scam.
Zane
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Thanks Nathan but it seems to be all official. I've sent in a please explain through there system & will go in on Monday in person & plead my innocents. I have no history of this it's straight out of the blue.jimson
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I got a fine for not voting once - went in and advised time and place of my voting and said maybe they should check their records - no more said or heard of - yes they do make mistakes. Best of luck correcting it J.
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Jimson, a good first port of call with this "Notice" is the Clerk of Courts office at your nearest Court Building. They may just save you a lot of drama, distress and heart ache.
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first off you should have recieved a letter from the justice office of the sheriff "notice of inclusion on juror roll" and given an
8 digit juror number. the roll runs for one year. IF you are summoned to serve on a jury more paper work etc and selection process.
try www.juror.nsw.gov.au and fill in basic details and you can check if you were on roll/given 8 digit number.
some prick is trying to scam ya
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Thanks for the heads up.I'll be looking at all advise from this thread as I've never had to deal with this before. Thanks jimson
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time to have some fun with that scammer
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It was $50 fine for not voting. Can't see how missing jury duty could be $1700.
(I got off the not voting fine by pointing out that I broke my leg that day - they pretty much took me at my word).
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Well, it is time for Australia to become republic and get rid of this stupid justice system. Judges get pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year so let them decide. What kind of democracy/freedom is being penalised for not voting or being asked to decide that somebody i have never met or heard of is guilty or not. Even comunists never asked anybody to do that. It is time for you people to stop being sheep and put up with this freedom b...s. Lived in Australia for fiveteen years and have not voted once. Also if you selected for jury, just tell them that you are a practising christian and you belive that the God can only decide who is gulty and who is not. They will probably think your a wierd but who cares.
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Well, it is time for Australia to become republic and get rid of this stupid justice system. Judges get pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year so let them decide. What kind of democracy/freedom is being penalised for not voting or being asked to decide that somebody i have never met or heard of is guilty or not. Even comunists never asked anybody to do that. It is time for you people to stop being sheep and put up with this freedom b...s. Lived in Australia for fiveteen years and have not voted once. Also if you selected for jury, just tell them that you are a practising christian and you belive that the God can only decide who is gulty and who is not. They will probably think your a wierd but who cares.
A very well thought out and articulate response that will solve all our problems Tomas - well done.
G'day viewers I'm in shock I just got the mail from my letter box & I have a fine of $1,715.00 for not going to jury duty in March. I didn't even know I had jury duty in March bloody hell. Overdue fine pay now it says I'd rather go to gaol then hand over that kind of money for something I new nothing about. Jimson
You might want to chase this up ASAP Garry as the fine sounds about right for missing jury duty. It's very unfair given that you didn't even know about it, but if you don't resolve it quickly there may be all sorts of repercussions. Good luck with it mate.
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Well, it is time for Australia to become republic and get rid of this stupid justice system. Judges get pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year so let them decide. What kind of democracy/freedom is being penalised for not voting or being asked to decide that somebody i have never met or heard of is guilty or not. Even comunists never asked anybody to do that. It is time for you people to stop being sheep and put up with this freedom b...s. Lived in Australia for fiveteen years and have not voted once. Also if you selected for jury, just tell them that you are a practising christian and you belive that the God can only decide who is gulty and who is not. They will probably think your a wierd but who cares.
I don't agree Tomas.
I always do jury duty.
I would rather 12 of you guys judge me than some drunken old judge.
Once got done for undue care and attention . [ Head on with a shela on my side of the road but I was on a bike so I was in the wrong]
At the end of the case the judge said I was traveling at a dangerous speed [ less than 80ks in a 100k zone according to the prosecutor ]
That was when everyone in the court [ prosecutor included ] figured the judge was drunk.
Also sat in the family court and seen a judge tell the fathers barrister to wind it up because she had to go out to dinner.
Let judges have free rein , not a bloody chance.
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I agree with you Mike 52
Good example.
I would rather my innocence or guilt particularly if more opinion than fact, be determined by 12 citizens, rather than by one judge.
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Reminds me of the famous quote where the defendant was asked "Do you wish to be judged in absentia or by a jury of your peers?" to which the defendant replied "What do you mean by "peers"your Honour?"
"By that I mean you will be judged by 12 people just like yourself" replied the Magistrate
"Well in that case I'll take in absentia, whatever that is, because I don't want to be judged by 12 car thieves"
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Reminds me of the famous quote where the defendant was asked "Do you wish to be judged in absentia or by a jury of your peers?" to which the defendant replied "What do you mean by "peers"your Honour?"
"By that I mean you will be judged by 12 people just like yourself" replied the Magistrate
"Well in that case I'll take in absentia, whatever that is, because I don't want to be judged by 12 car thieves"
And thank God, Juror selection is a bit more rigorous and testing than that unlikely scenario.
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Well, it is time for Australia to become republic and get rid of this stupid justice system. Judges get pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year so let them decide. What kind of democracy/freedom is being penalised for not voting or being asked to decide that somebody i have never met or heard of is guilty or not. Even comunists never asked anybody to do that. It is time for you people to stop being sheep and put up with this freedom b...s. Lived in Australia for fiveteen years and have not voted once. Also if you selected for jury, just tell them that you are a practising christian and you belive that the God can only decide who is gulty and who is not. They will probably think your a wierd but who cares.
I don't agree Tomas.
I always do jury duty.
I would rather 12 of you guys judge me than some drunken old judge.
Once got done for undue care and attention . [ Head on with a shela on my side of the road but I was on a bike so I was in the wrong]
At the end of the case the judge said I was traveling at a dangerous speed [ less than 80ks in a 100k zone according to the prosecutor ]
That was when everyone in the court [ prosecutor included ] figured the judge was drunk.
Also sat in the family court and seen a judge tell the fathers barrister to wind it up because she had to go out to dinner.
Let judges have free rein , not a bloody chance.
Fair enough. Drunk judge is wrong. For example French legal system is interesting. There is always more than one judge. Imagine two drunk judges arguing over who is guilty and who is not :)
Also fair enough if you happy to do jury. What i dont agree with is being penalize for not wanting to be involved. Not everyone is interested in politics etc. Australia as a modern and young country should adopt modern laws etc. rather than go with something that was already outdated whe it was brought here hunderd years ago. There are beter legal systems than old English system.
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Well, it is time for Australia to become republic and get rid of this stupid justice system. Judges get pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year so let them decide. What kind of democracy/freedom is being penalised for not voting or being asked to decide that somebody i have never met or heard of is guilty or not. Even comunists never asked anybody to do that. It is time for you people to stop being sheep and put up with this freedom b...s. Lived in Australia for fiveteen years and have not voted once. Also if you selected for jury, just tell them that you are a practising christian and you belive that the God can only decide who is gulty and who is not. They will probably think your a wierd but who cares.
You seem to have a lot of advise for us, for someone who has only been here for fifteen years and have not voted once.
Where are you from, is your country perfect?
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Well, it is time for Australia to become republic and get rid of this stupid justice system. Judges get pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year so let them decide. What kind of democracy/freedom is being penalised for not voting or being asked to decide that somebody i have never met or heard of is guilty or not. Even comunists never asked anybody to do that. It is time for you people to stop being sheep and put up with this freedom b...s. Lived in Australia for fiveteen years and have not voted once. Also if you selected for jury, just tell them that you are a practising christian and you belive that the God can only decide who is gulty and who is not. They will probably think your a wierd but who cares.
You seem to have a lot of advise for us, for someone who has only been here for fifteen years and have not voted once.
Where are you from, is your country perfect?
Have you lived in other country than Australia Mick D? I guess not.
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Jimson, tell them that you are a Seven day Adventist and that due to your religious convictions you are unable to take sides or make judgement on your fellow man,
Worked for me once when I did not vote. ;)
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Be aware of the penalties for the making of a false statement -- serious time...
CRIMES ACT 1900 - SECT 330
False statement on oath not amounting to perjury
330 False statement on oath not amounting to perjury
A person who makes on oath any false statement knowing the statement to be false or not believing it to be true, if it is not perjury, is liable to imprisonment for 5 years.
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Well, it is time for Australia to become republic and get rid of this stupid justice system. Judges get pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year so let them decide. What kind of democracy/freedom is being penalised for not voting or being asked to decide that somebody i have never met or heard of is guilty or not. Even comunists never asked anybody to do that. It is time for you people to stop being sheep and put up with this freedom b...s. Lived in Australia for fiveteen years and have not voted once. Also if you selected for jury, just tell them that you are a practising christian and you belive that the God can only decide who is gulty and who is not. They will probably think your a wierd but who cares.
Fair enough. Drunk judge is wrong. For example French legal system is interesting. There is always more than one judge. Imagine two drunk judges arguing over who is guilty and who is not :)
Also fair enough if you happy to do jury. What i dont agree with is being penalize for not wanting to be involved. Not everyone is interested in politics etc. Australia as a modern and young country should adopt modern laws etc. rather than go with something that was already outdated whe it was brought here hunderd years ago. There are beter legal systems than old English system.
The Egyptian , Chinese and Indonesian systems use a couple of judges.
Still would rather 12 ordinary people.
And while we are on the republic idea who should we copy.
Zimbabwe , Congo , North Korea , China , America , Indonesia , Malaysia?
Believe it or not I sort of like it the way it is.
A Queen that we never see and who doesn't tell us what to do is my kind of ruler.
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having been called up 4 times to do jury duty, i still find the system very interesting and as my employer said " it's my civic duty to do it".
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I've never been called once. Might be due to appearing in front of a magistrate a couple of times as a younger fella on traffic stuff as "the defendant".
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Well, it is time for Australia to become republic and get rid of this stupid justice system.
What's that got to with the OP? Aus has inherited the English system and, as legal systems go, it's pretty good.It's had 800 years to mature. The Aus system is already diverging from English common law by virtue of it becoming codified and what were once called Queens Counsel are now called States Counsel. It's diverging but becoming a republic won't make a gnats pube of difference. In short it's not a judicial matter but one of law and there's a difference.
To return to Jimsons problem, The onus is on the prosecution to prove that you received the jury call-up papers. If they can't prove it you're probably in the clear.
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It would appear this is for real. I went to my local court yesterday & they said all previous mail had gone to a address I have not lived at for over 6 years. The only reason the government have my address I'm at now is I have opened a myGov account. So I have voted over the last 6 years & never been asked my address as I live in the same suburb just a different house & assumed the government new were I lived as I do my tax every year. So now I still have to fight it yesterday I phoned 3 different places sent letters emailes & I still don't know what's happening. Jimson
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The secret is to not give up. Sooner or later, you'll get someone who will recognise that the effort vs reward ratio isn't in the favour.
Did you change your licence?
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Yes I always do the right thing :o do my tax every year,move my license over to my new address, All the government agencies aren't connected so we are held accountable for there failure to be more organised. Jimson
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If you change your address in/to the ACT, then they automatically pass the info to the Australian Electoral Commission, who then automatically change your address on the electoral role. I thought NSW was the same?!
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Not in NSW Nathan. well after sleepless nights emails & phone calls I'm in the clear. life is back to normal ;D So happy Thanks to all. jimson
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:)
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Lucky to win that one usually they don't give a rats.
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Mike52 yes lucky. I thought I was going down a long road of heartache.jimson
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Cheers mate ;) :) Tim754
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after sleepless nights emails & phone calls I'm in the clear. life is back to normal ;D So happy Thanks to all. jimso
Good stuff, mate.
Expect to be called for jury duty again within 6 months, though ;)
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GD66 you were right, I've just completed 4 days of jury duty. It's a painful experience watching idiots use the tax payers money. Without justice being served. Jimson
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Aaaaaargh !!
Bloody hell, good on you for stepping up again, Jimson.
Hopefully the tick against your name will clear you for life.... ;)
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I got the boss (many years ago ) (and who was a JP) to write to the electoral / jury selection mob and got my name cut out thanks as I was on Very Important work and couldn't possibly be disturbed...been plain sailing since. if there is a system you got to know how to work it....